nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Reports are that Phil's Triangle Seminar was well attended. Some saying even Melo came to check it out.

Phil Jackson gets nice turnout for postseason class, with even Carmelo Anthony showing up to better learn offense.
Phil Jackson scratched his coaching itch and indeed ran his well-attended triangle seminar Tuesday, taking the lead on teaching the lessons of his way-of-life offense, sources told the Daily News.

Even Carmelo Anthony, who has made public pleas to broaden the coaching search beyond triangle-inclined candidates, was at the practice facility, according to a source.

Interim coach Kurt Rambis, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis were also believed to be among the group of triangle seminar attendees, with the latter still hampered by his strained shoulder but able to soak in the verbal Zen lessons. On Baggie Day last week, Porzingis, who was recently cleared to lift weights and has set an offseason goal of gaining about 15 pounds of muscle, pledged his allegiance to the triangle.

“If that’s the way it is, I’m going to keep studying the triangle, keep thinking of how I can help others in the triangle,” Porzingis said. “If that’s the system, we got to be able to play in it and play better than we did. Everybody just needs to believe in it first. That’s the thing we have to focus on.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/zen-work-phil-triangle-seminar-underway-knicks-article-1.2607935?utm_content=buffer214b0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

I thought you said all the Daily News did was print lies and no one should ever read it?

I tend to think they do a decent job, but you tend to quote them when they agree with your perception and call them trash when they write something you don't like.

Man what are you babbling about? I attacked ISOLA, not the entire newspaper. Also I very much dislike the unnecessary sarcasm and digs the media often takes but not the facts presented. Who ever has a problem with facts? Did you see the back page above?

The reporters don't make the back page. The people trying to sell the papers make the front page and back page.

Also, the article you attacked the other day was written by Bondy, same dude who wrote the article above.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:Reports are that Phil's Triangle Seminar was well attended. Some saying even Melo came to check it out.

Phil Jackson gets nice turnout for postseason class, with even Carmelo Anthony showing up to better learn offense.
Phil Jackson scratched his coaching itch and indeed ran his well-attended triangle seminar Tuesday, taking the lead on teaching the lessons of his way-of-life offense, sources told the Daily News.

Even Carmelo Anthony, who has made public pleas to broaden the coaching search beyond triangle-inclined candidates, was at the practice facility, according to a source.

Interim coach Kurt Rambis, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis were also believed to be among the group of triangle seminar attendees, with the latter still hampered by his strained shoulder but able to soak in the verbal Zen lessons. On Baggie Day last week, Porzingis, who was recently cleared to lift weights and has set an offseason goal of gaining about 15 pounds of muscle, pledged his allegiance to the triangle.

“If that’s the way it is, I’m going to keep studying the triangle, keep thinking of how I can help others in the triangle,” Porzingis said. “If that’s the system, we got to be able to play in it and play better than we did. Everybody just needs to believe in it first. That’s the thing we have to focus on.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/zen-work-phil-triangle-seminar-underway-knicks-article-1.2607935?utm_content=buffer214b0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Saw this... 11 rings ex coach in the front office takes hands on approach to inject some knowledge and expectations. Gives the youth some specific things to focus on and only in this retarded town is it spun in such negative fashion. Well... if you are a true NYer sometimes you just gotta say phuck this town. Not sure where I heard that but it fits.

I love that Phil is taking a more hands on approach. People still think this is a 3 year, Im bolting money grab? This guy wants to build a team.

Never said it was a money grab. To me the negative about this thing is that it means he's not really looking for a coach. Thibs is close to signing with Minnesota, JVG interviewing in Houston. Phil didn't even give them a call.

I was pretty clear in my first post that my issue was limiting the coaching search and doubling down on the Triangle.

Also, this quote from KP doesn't exactly sound glowing, more like he's saying "it is what it is."

“If that’s the way it is, I’m going to keep studying the triangle, keep thinking of how I can help others in the triangle,” Porzingis said. “If that’s the system, we got to be able to play in it and play better than we did. Everybody just needs to believe in it first. That’s the thing we have to focus on.”

He doesn't exactly sound super enthusiastic about the Triangle. I have no problem with the seminar, practice, meeting, whatever. But this whole thing also shows what a mistake the Fisher move was and how poorly it was handled, since Phil never came close to doing this when Fish was here.

This whole seminar thing looks like doubling down on youth and building. Its a message.. this is what we are running and this is what we want to practice and get better on. Now our young squad knows exactly what is expected.

Why should the GM be expected to look for coaches that aren't going to run the system he wants?

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:So the Daily news panders to the lowest common denominator and ChuckBuck wonders What would guys do that don't even have HALF the rings Phil has.

I can assume that the Miami Herald and what ever San Antonio reads won't have it as back story. One reason why I like what phil is doing and sticking by his guns is that the knicks are trying to take the path less traveled. Those who have taken it as religion have reached glory. He is trying to teach it. Fish as much as he played in it could not teach it. Rambis might be the guy.

None of this past stuff matters but if you bring out "rambis is not a good coach", well as a head coach that is true. His other credentials are solid as any young top assistant in the NBA. Phil is a teacher, and if some of you would read his books you'll better understand that when the triangle works best is when the team itself sees it, feels it and adjusts in game. He would call time out and the players in many situations coach themselves. Thats buy in. Phil was not a yeller and a screamer, he was chill because most of the coaching is done in practice. Players need to instinctively get it. Losing is also part of the teaching. You can feel when its not working and when it is.

So instead of reacting to media pandering pick up a book and understand it. As long as the knicks are trying to take this path I am rooting for it and part of it is not being "hindsight Harry", you "That Guy"...................

Knicks are attempting to show unity towards working the off season and melo if he is to recruit must demonstrate he wants to be here. This mini camp is a good thing. Team is not in the playoffs, so why the hell not!

There's a saying that goes "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at". Could be Ella Fitzgerald or Rakim, depends on who you ask. You keep mentioning 11 rings, read the book, teacher, triangle philosophies, Zen, yada yada.

How many rings has Phil Jackson won this decade? By my count Pat the Rat and Coach Pop have more this decade than your idol. Do we have Phil Jackson the coach or do we have Phil Jackson the failed experiment of an executive at the helm of the New York Knicks?

Perspective, man. Phil hasn't done shyt since he left Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, and Fisher-man back in LA-LA land. Past is the past, he's simply cashing Cablevision checks at this point, maybe keeping tabs on and refreshing Jim Buss LinkedIn status a few times a day.

This is a very weak post! Phil went to 3 Finals just before the end of his Lakers run. He just took over here and is rebuilding this franchise! Seems pretty clear that he's doing his job building the foundation here.

not that clear to me. He has to show me some guards of quality. Having our best guard on the roster right now being Tony Wroten is not a good look.

Melo is getting older and not any cheaper, Rolo is good but possibly a misfit in some way, KP has lots of upside but he still has a lot to prove.

Phil has a lot of splaining to do unless he gets us some real guards. Why he did not at least pick up a guard like DJ Augistin last season is strange.

It seems to me that you constantly have 2 things going on: 1) Phil needs to explain everything to you and 2) every move Phil does needs to be a HR.

Your expectations are off?

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Reports are that Phil's Triangle Seminar was well attended. Some saying even Melo came to check it out.

Phil Jackson gets nice turnout for postseason class, with even Carmelo Anthony showing up to better learn offense.
Phil Jackson scratched his coaching itch and indeed ran his well-attended triangle seminar Tuesday, taking the lead on teaching the lessons of his way-of-life offense, sources told the Daily News.

Even Carmelo Anthony, who has made public pleas to broaden the coaching search beyond triangle-inclined candidates, was at the practice facility, according to a source.

Interim coach Kurt Rambis, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis were also believed to be among the group of triangle seminar attendees, with the latter still hampered by his strained shoulder but able to soak in the verbal Zen lessons. On Baggie Day last week, Porzingis, who was recently cleared to lift weights and has set an offseason goal of gaining about 15 pounds of muscle, pledged his allegiance to the triangle.

“If that’s the way it is, I’m going to keep studying the triangle, keep thinking of how I can help others in the triangle,” Porzingis said. “If that’s the system, we got to be able to play in it and play better than we did. Everybody just needs to believe in it first. That’s the thing we have to focus on.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/zen-work-phil-triangle-seminar-underway-knicks-article-1.2607935?utm_content=buffer214b0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

I thought you said all the Daily News did was print lies and no one should ever read it?

I tend to think they do a decent job, but you tend to quote them when they agree with your perception and call them trash when they write something you don't like.

Man what are you babbling about? I attacked ISOLA, not the entire newspaper. Also I very much dislike the unnecessary sarcasm and digs the media often takes but not the facts presented. Who ever has a problem with facts? Did you see the back page above?

The reporters don't make the back page. The people trying to sell the papers make the front page and back page.

Also, the article you attacked the other day was written by Bondy, same dude who wrote the article above.

Do me a favor, don't paraphrase me or make statements about what I supposedly did or said. Simply quote the exact thing you're accusing me of. I can't recall which article you're talking about or what I said exactly about it. If it was Bondy or any other writer and he was taking unnecessary shots I have a problem with that. I generally like many of Bondy's articles, but the trend among most of the media recently has been to add a lot of negative comments and often some are merely reporting rumors that have ended up not being true. I can't defend every single instance I may have commented on in this post but in the future don't put words in my mouth. Use my exact words.

Pretty sure it was this article - http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/bondy-phil-best-11-rings-article-1.2604193

I'm not trying to paraphrase. I apologize if I am incorrect

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Reports are that Phil's Triangle Seminar was well attended. Some saying even Melo came to check it out.

Phil Jackson gets nice turnout for postseason class, with even Carmelo Anthony showing up to better learn offense.
Phil Jackson scratched his coaching itch and indeed ran his well-attended triangle seminar Tuesday, taking the lead on teaching the lessons of his way-of-life offense, sources told the Daily News.

Even Carmelo Anthony, who has made public pleas to broaden the coaching search beyond triangle-inclined candidates, was at the practice facility, according to a source.

Interim coach Kurt Rambis, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis were also believed to be among the group of triangle seminar attendees, with the latter still hampered by his strained shoulder but able to soak in the verbal Zen lessons. On Baggie Day last week, Porzingis, who was recently cleared to lift weights and has set an offseason goal of gaining about 15 pounds of muscle, pledged his allegiance to the triangle.

“If that’s the way it is, I’m going to keep studying the triangle, keep thinking of how I can help others in the triangle,” Porzingis said. “If that’s the system, we got to be able to play in it and play better than we did. Everybody just needs to believe in it first. That’s the thing we have to focus on.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/zen-work-phil-triangle-seminar-underway-knicks-article-1.2607935?utm_content=buffer214b0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

I thought you said all the Daily News did was print lies and no one should ever read it?

I tend to think they do a decent job, but you tend to quote them when they agree with your perception and call them trash when they write something you don't like.

Man what are you babbling about? I attacked ISOLA, not the entire newspaper. Also I very much dislike the unnecessary sarcasm and digs the media often takes but not the facts presented. Who ever has a problem with facts? Did you see the back page above?

The reporters don't make the back page. The people trying to sell the papers make the front page and back page.

Also, the article you attacked the other day was written by Bondy, same dude who wrote the article above.

Do me a favor, don't paraphrase me or make statements about what I supposedly did or said. Simply quote the exact thing you're accusing me of. I can't recall which article you're talking about or what I said exactly about it. If it was Bondy or any other writer and he was taking unnecessary shots I have a problem with that. I generally like many of Bondy's articles, but the trend among most of the media recently has been to add a lot of negative comments and often some are merely reporting rumors that have ended up not being true. I can't defend every single instance I may have commented on in this post but in the future don't put words in my mouth. Use my exact words.

Pretty sure it was this article - http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/bondy-phil-best-11-rings-article-1.2604193

I'm not trying to paraphrase. I apologize if I am incorrect

As far as I know I never commented on that article. In fact that was the 1st time I read the article. Bondy made some good points but he also was pretty snarky and like other writers he brings up the overall record to knock Phil but I remind him and others that you can't have KP and a good record. You look at all the teams that land Franchise talent in the draft and you have to LOSE in order to get one of those players. Phil did the right thing by flushing that roster and not trying to prop it up. It was the one year we had our 1st rd pick and it paid off. I won't be taking that back.

Lets also remember that Phil also drafted Jerian and Willy along with KP and it's so early in the process of evaluating that draft but I like it. If these players work out it would be a stroke of genius and one of the best Knicks drafts ever. Much of the media bashing of Phil is premature. We played our 1st season of his rebuild with the 8 new players he brought in and already they know the Triangle won't work???

im 100% in support of phil and don't have a whole lot of issue with anything he's done so far, but man you take things to far. how long before anyone is allowed to criticize the job he's doing? being criticized is part of the job as an executive in any sport.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Thibs hired by Minnesota while Phil drills the Triangle. Bet the NY Media will have something to say about that.

That's to be expected. Of course what Minny does has no bearing on the future success of the Knicks. Good for Minny, but they have their own process and we have our own process going on. Because of Thibs the media will likely conflate the 2 situations but we have our own path well under way already. Thibs being off the market actually helps remove the calls for bringing him in, which were endless.

Maybe he'll have more success with the Triangle in Minnesota than Rambis did.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Thibs hired by Minnesota while Phil drills the Triangle. Bet the NY Media will have something to say about that.

That's to be expected. Of course what Minny does has no bearing on the future success of the Knicks. Good for Minny, but they have their own process and we have our own process going on. Because of Thibs the media will likely conflate the 2 situations but we have our own path well under way already. Thibs being off the market actually helps remove the calls for bringing him in, which were endless.

Maybe he'll have more success with the Triangle in Minnesota than Rambis did.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/722852346020036609

Maybe Blatt was hiding in the stands and watching Phil's triangle mini-camp?

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/722852346020036609

Maybe Blatt was hiding in the stands and watching Phil's triangle mini-camp?

I've always thought Blatt would be the pick - because of his ties to Mills and because I don't buy that Dolan is happy with how Jackson is doing or with keeping Rambis. Blatt will be presented as the compromise pick.

Dolan isn't putting any pressure on Phil. After Phil drafted KP, Dolan is in LOVE with Phil. If people think Dolan is unhappy they aren't paying attention. KP is a marketing coupe for MSG and they know he's the future for this team. Blatt isn't so much a compromise as someone who is simply better than Rambis. If they hire Blatt it's about his fit and actual ability. Only way Rambis was getting the Job is if he balled out after taking over which he didn't. It's the only way to overcome his reputation and make him a plausible choice. Phil is not stupid. He gave his friend a shot and when he didn't blow people away that was the end of his legit shot at being the Head Coach.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/722852346020036609

Maybe Blatt was hiding in the stands and watching Phil's triangle mini-camp?

I've always thought Blatt would be the pick - because of his ties to Mills and because I don't buy that Dolan is happy with how Jackson is doing or with keeping Rambis. Blatt will be presented as the compromise pick.

Dolan isn't putting any pressure on Phil. After Phil drafted KP, Dolan is in LOVE with Phil. If people think Dolan is unhappy they aren't paying attention. KP is a marketing coupe for MSG and they know he's the future for this team. Blatt isn't so much a compromise as someone who is simply better than Rambis. If they hire Blatt it's about his fit and actual ability. Only way Rambis was getting the Job is if he balled out after taking over which he didn't. It's the only way to overcome his reputation and make him a plausible choice. Phil is not stupid. He gave his friend a shot and when he didn't blow people away that was the end of his legit shot at being the Head Coach.

so you are basically saying that Rambis has no chance?