smackeddog wrote:Did't Hahn start blasting Fisher a game or two ago- I always think it's worth paying attention to what he's doing, as I always presume he's a company man.

Yep. I brought this up in the game thread yesterday

smackeddog wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1969 looking sharp

that's hysterical. Thanks, man

Nalod wrote:WOW!!!!!!!
I wonder what precipitated this move?

knicks1248 wrote:Its now come to light that he wasnt even really listening to his assistant rambis or gaines..

The one thing i kept saying over and over, this idiot is changing up sht that was winning us game. We look nothing like we did in preseason.

Playing 14 players in one quarter. I promise you this, Fisher will never get another head coaching job for a very long time if ever, unless he becomes someones assistant.

The Barnes thing was embarrassing, because he should have never contacted the police and the NBA..

Unless you fear for your life, snitching s an absolute no no

I really think he played a major role in Jerian Grant and KOQ losing confidence as the season progressed. I have mentioned a million times on here how when KOQ made one mistake on the court, he would be immediately yanked by Fish who seemed to not like him. Jerian Grant has been lacking confidence but Fish never instilled that confidence in him by letting him play through some mistakes ensuring he would get decent minutes. IMO, he destroyed their confidence. Playing Sasha over Jerian should have never happened. We needed Jerian to develop into potentially a starter by this point in the season. Fish has to take blame for a lot of that.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not mentioned but Fish reportedly wanted Seraphin over Shved.

Yeeesh! That one really hurt! It's been reported that Fish is really tough on PG's and it could be that Shved was just ignoring what Fish was saying and doing his thing out there. I'm just guessing but it does seem odd that Fish wouldn't make Shved a MUST HAVE like he did for LT.

I don't think Fisher thought Shved was the real deal.

Also, to his credit - he admitted that he didn't know KP would be able to handle so many minutes so quickly. He admitted that they constructed the roster differently than they would've otherwise.

knickscity wrote:

WP76 wrote:For those saying they "feel sorry" for Derek Fisher, I do not. I wish I could get paid millions to be bought out of a job for which I was unqualified in the first place and for which I showed no aptitude nor growth.

The one's who feel sorry for Fisher are clearly fans of opinion and individuals and not of the Knicks.

Yup. Alot of us would've gotten fired alot earlier from our real jobs for making the same mistake over and over. Guy was lucky Kerr picked GS over us.

Don't feel sorry for that multi millionaire bozo loser.

Chandler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.

NardDog I like your posts and find them informative. Agree re guarded optimism about Rambis. What's your take on Shaw though? I was truly unimpressed with him but perhaps not following closely enough

I'm not a fan of Brian Shaw the head coach; I'm a fan of Brian Shaw as our top assistant/offensive coordinator. I liked his schemes in Indiana and even in Denver a lot. The problem is that he sounds like a guy that has no real confidence and generally lacks creativity. As a result, I think his skills are best utilized in a subservient-type role. Next to Walton, I feel the guy could offer a lot of assistance....much more than a Kurt Rambis who has had a truly unremarkable career (though Phil would beg to differ).