martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:So nix, who you sitting to get a look at Wroten? Grant? Gallo?

Who would you want in Sasha or Wroten? I am not a fan of either one but I would take Wroten over Sasha. I think Wroten needs time in Westchester before he even sees the floor as a knick although it would be a good time to bring him/anyone up considering the practice time NY will have coming up.

Sasha is deadweight as far as a player goes so that's an easy answer, but Sasha ain't here to play really, not any more. But I do see him seated next to KP all the time and they are constantly talking, and I think that speaks volumes.

I agree that Sasha is dead weight. I hoped he could provide the occasional spark but he's been awful IMO. He's more sure of what he's doing but can't shoot or finish well enough. He's a good mentor for KP but at this point I think even that has run its course.

One thing I like about the possibility of Wroten is he's at least shown he can score and pass effectively at the NBA level. I have hope he can improve his shooting from 3pt range. Tony literally only scores at the rim or from 3! He doesn't really attempt mid range shots! He's basically the complete opposite of our guards. We know he's a blur on the break and off screens and he can create on his own at a high level.

We need Sasha around for leadership. We also need o'quinn and Seraphin around for depth. This team lacks am attacker at the point spot. Tony Wroten could be that guy

TAB wrote:We do have people who can attack...just not good finishers.

uh...how is one good without the other?

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:So nix, who you sitting to get a look at Wroten? Grant? Gallo?

Who would you want in Sasha or Wroten? I am not a fan of either one but I would take Wroten over Sasha. I think Wroten needs time in Westchester before he even sees the floor as a knick although it would be a good time to bring him/anyone up considering the practice time NY will have coming up.

Sasha is deadweight as far as a player goes so that's an easy answer, but Sasha ain't here to play really, not any more. But I do see him seated next to KP all the time and they are constantly talking, and I think that speaks volumes.

I agree that Sasha is dead weight. I hoped he could provide the occasional spark but he's been awful IMO. He's more sure of what he's doing but can't shoot or finish well enough. He's a good mentor for KP but at this point I think even that has run its course.

One thing I like about the possibility of Wroten is he's at least shown he can score and pass effectively at the NBA level. I have hope he can improve his shooting from 3pt range. Tony literally only scores at the rim or from 3! He doesn't really attempt mid range shots! He's basically the complete opposite of our guards. We know he's a blur on the break and off screens and he can create on his own at a high level.

how would you know that it's run it has run it's course? just because you want to sign someone else? i have no problem signing wroten, but it's not like teams were climbing over themselves to sign the guy.. he was waived nearly a month ago and is still sitting at home. let's not pretend like we're adding anything more than a 12th guy on the bench. aka the same thing as sasha. and if sasha is mentoring KP like many of us believe, i'm not cutting him and NO it hasn't run it's course yet.

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TWroten_LOE/status/688918613395423232

Wroten's response to a fan asking who he is signing with.

He tweeted "Tape" twice but deleted it right away. I think he wants to be here but Phil has got to want to sign him.

It could easily look like we're gonna sign him cause we're all wondering why Phil hasn't signed anyone to a 10 day contract yet cause we have our 15th spot open and a lot of us are wondering why nobody has signed Wroten yet so it seems like Phil and Wroten are both waiting for something. This guy could fill a big hole we have with his athleticism and his getting to the basket so i would love for Phil to bring him in. It can't hurt anything so why not.

It's so curious what Phil could be up to. It's obvious by his inaction that he's waiting on something. I would assume it's a technical timeframe. Whatever it is I do expect that he will eventually make a move cuz it only makes sense given the needs and makeup of the roster at present. Whoever he actually settles on it would seem most likely that it would be a guard he brings in so we'll see what he decides, but it's starting to make me anxious. With every game that we have issues with our guard spot it just makes me want to see it addressed. The Celtics and Sixers games were hard to sit thru and watch us struggle to deal with their quick guards.

Which guard are you sitting if you think Phil is going to make a more. And which guard is going to pick up the offense quickly enough to warrant giving him a shot?

Well all of our guards on this team have something bad about their game so i think Fish could find some minutes for him when he gets adjusted to the system.

No I am asking for a concrete scenario and a concrete PG who you would pick up that can learn the system in a quick enough time period to warrant signing and playing and also benching another of the Knicks' guards. Who is out there at PG that is heady enough or talented enough that maybe you would pick up and who is realistically good enough in the Triangle and then who would you sit?

You kind of gave a non answer.

CrushAlot wrote:Seems like he wants to be a Knick.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AceIzNice/status/689452730318893058

Wait a minute......is this real?? No way did he really tweet this right?? If he did then he's just trolling us now.

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We're talking about filing in a roster spot. I think every player on this roster this season is important. There's chemistry here. I think a major upgrade is something we have to evaluate in the summer.

We need Sasha around for leadership. We also need o'quinn and Seraphin around for depth. This team lacks am attacker at the point spot. Tony Wroten could be that guy

Totally agree. I'm sort of surprised as to why people are so against this.

Take a flier on him. Make him the active 13th man and put Sasha on IR and Sasha can hang around the team and act as a de facto assistant coach to KP and the like.

For me, I don't think anyone is against it. I just don't know how effective it would be and the logistics puzzle me.

First and foremost, I want Grant to get as many minutes as he can. He should get all of the backup PG minutes, no excuses. He is a long term player for the Knicks and needs all the room for growth, whatever that means. And the Knicks do have a vested interest in Gallo getting a few minutes at PG (I've been disappointed in his play recently, does he need more time and reps?).

Agree on Grant and Galloway development. But we've seen there are games when Fisher feels Grant doesn't have it and he goes to Sasha to run the point. I like Sasha's energy on the bench, but hate seeing him on the floor.

Even if we brought in Wroten only to play the minutes Sasha would normally get, I think that's an upgrade you take a look at. Just saying look at it. What's the harm of a 10-day deal to take a look?

And what happens if Calderon or Grant get injured? Most teams have 3 PG.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We're talking about filing in a roster spot. I think every player on this roster this season is important. There's chemistry here. I think a major upgrade is something we have to evaluate in the summer.

We need Sasha around for leadership. We also need o'quinn and Seraphin around for depth. This team lacks am attacker at the point spot. Tony Wroten could be that guy

Totally agree. I'm sort of surprised as to why people are so against this.

Take a flier on him. Make him the active 13th man and put Sasha on IR and Sasha can hang around the team and act as a de facto assistant coach to KP and the like.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TWroten_LOE/status/688918613395423232

Wroten's response to a fan asking who he is signing with.

He tweeted "Tape" twice but deleted it right away. I think he wants to be here but Phil has got to want to sign him.

It could easily look like we're gonna sign him cause we're all wondering why Phil hasn't signed anyone to a 10 day contract yet cause we have our 15th spot open and a lot of us are wondering why nobody has signed Wroten yet so it seems like Phil and Wroten are both waiting for something. This guy could fill a big hole we have with his athleticism and his getting to the basket so i would love for Phil to bring him in. It can't hurt anything so why not.

It's so curious what Phil could be up to. It's obvious by his inaction that he's waiting on something. I would assume it's a technical timeframe. Whatever it is I do expect that he will eventually make a move cuz it only makes sense given the needs and makeup of the roster at present. Whoever he actually settles on it would seem most likely that it would be a guard he brings in so we'll see what he decides, but it's starting to make me anxious. With every game that we have issues with our guard spot it just makes me want to see it addressed. The Celtics and Sixers games were hard to sit thru and watch us struggle to deal with their quick guards.

Which guard are you sitting if you think Phil is going to make a more. And which guard is going to pick up the offense quickly enough to warrant giving him a shot?

Well all of our guards on this team have something bad about their game so i think Fish could find some minutes for him when he gets adjusted to the system.

No I am asking for a concrete scenario and a concrete PG who you would pick up that can learn the system in a quick enough time period to warrant signing and playing and also benching another of the Knicks' guards. Who is out there at PG that is heady enough or talented enough that maybe you would pick up and who is realistically good enough in the Triangle and then who would you sit?

You kind of gave a non answer.

That's a great question. I don't think there's a clear answer. It's kind of hard to know from the outside, but what I think Phil is looking or at least hoping for is a similar transition that we saw with Shved. It didn't take him too long to gain a comfort level. Of course things are different now since I doubt any guard would come in and go as nuts as Shved did, but then they don't have to.

The thing I'm looking at is a Guard and not necessarily a Pure PG. A Guard that has a natural ability to see the seems and lanes but also can make the pass to open teammates. In this offense you don't really need a Pure PG. Tho it is important to have a PG who can get the offense setup as we see Jose doing. I personally don't think it's as hard as some make it out to be. I don't know why Jerian has so much trouble with it at times. Sometimes he gets a huge brain freeze and looks paralyzed.

So for me I see a kid like Wroten being able to find some success. He is a talented Combo guard and really isn't so much looking to run an offense as he is looking to attack which IMO is one of the biggest things you need in this offense. You want early attack and if nothing is there then you can run the sets and if the ball works it's way back to a kid like Wroten in the flow there will be TONS of Give n Go touches for him that with his speed and athletic ability he can translate into easy scores.

We don't have one of these at Guard. I see great potential if he's developed properly.
Look at how Wroten attacks off Give n Go's in this video.

The speed and athletic ability and his natural desire to push the ball and run. He's got just enough passing ability.

DWill has a lot of this but he's not a guard. Wroten IMO could really BOOST this offense a lot, plus still has size for matching up with a SG, so he'd help on D in that sense. Wroten should find success with just a few RoLo or KP picks, Pushing the ball and looking for Early Offense, Give n Go's and the defense having to pay so much attention to Melo and KP. IMO Wroten has the same kind of size with even more explosive quickness and athletic ability as Phil had with Ron Harper! A SG, Not a PG who played Pseudo PG for Phil. And we saw that with Shved last year as well.

I've never seen Wroten play. He shoots about as good as Grant does and Grant is playing scared right now. So, you are introducing a guy who can't shoot. I guess you sit Grant and stunt his growth some? More DNPs?

What's his D like? And is this a system guy?

If Wroten wants to play on the Knicks, why doesn't he join WestChester for a couple of weeks to learn Triangle and hope he gets called to the show?

Again great questions.

Wroten isn't a strong shooter but I wouldn't worry about Wroten's shooting too much. He's in a entirely different class from Jerian in terms of his handle and quickness. He gets to the rim with so much frequency that it's almost absurd. He's a weapon in transition even on made baskets. I also wouldn't worry too much about Jerian's development. Technically at 6-6 Wroten can play PG, SG or SF in a small ball lineup. There are ways to squeeze him in if you cut Jose's minutes. Jerian isn't likely to earn a lot of minutes this year IMO. He's gonna need a summer to work on his game anyway IMO.

Wroten on D I think will be fine. He should improve with work and learning how to defend in this system. He's got the agility and quickness to excel if he commits to it.

As for him being a system guy. I think he's in the Mold of Shved and DWill. He just needs to learn how to use his talent in the system which shouldn't be too hard for him since much of the guard role is simple passes and cuts.

As for why he's not in Westchester, I think Phil may want it that way. Just kind of keep him out of other team's eyes. I could be wrong but that's what I think is going on. Imagine if he went to the W Knicks and put up some gaudy numbers and drew attention from other teams? I think they could be hiding Wroten and waiting for some kind of deal or something to move other players. I have no proof of course, but it seems like a logical assumption.

It's possible that the Knicks are talking to Wroten and showing him film and having him do some scrimmage to get a basic notion of the offense.

I really like what you said about Phil not wanting him on our d-league team to hide his talents from other teams and something i've been saying about Phil maybe having something in the works or is waiting for something to happen before making any decisions on Wroten. There's obviously no proof to this and it's just a, wait for it Martin.......ASSUMPTION but it just seems a little funny that a guy with the talent of Wroten is still sitting out there and we have that 15th spot sitting open which nobody can figure out why so it's just putting two and two together.

Yeah it's just a bit too conspicuous for me! Even on a 10 day it would make too much sense to just bring him in and take a look. At the least you could see one of our D League guards! So Phil is up to something IMO.