mreinman wrote:

I always hated Barkley because he always rode Jordan's jock..He was always there with Ron Harper marveling when Jordan made a great play..

ChuckBuck wrote:True guys that represented New York the right way during their time here. Just beloved for their play and actions either on or off the court.

Jeter
Namath
Reed
Clyde
Oakley
Curtis Martin
Mariano
Bernie Williams
Eli
David Wright
Ewing
Mattingly
Debusschere
Bradley
Starks
Mason
Sprewell
Camby
LJ
Houston
Maynard
Klecko
Gastineau
Simms
LT
Strahan
Osi
Tuck
Messier
Leetch
Graves
Rizzuto
Ruth
Gehrig
DiMaggio
Ford
Berra
Reggie

Not one of these guys would ever ever under any conditions say "Phuck New York".

Phuck that loser Melo. Phuck him hard!

See, this is why I love it when he says stuff like that, so that guys like you will bite on it. Too funny. And you're right, DiMaggio would never say 'phuck New York'. He would just go beat up his wife and leave his child homeless. And you're right, Sprewell would never say something like that, he'd just choke the hell out of one of his coaches. And you're right, LT wouldn't... okay I'm going to stop there. Want me to keep going?

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:oh ... how about this one:

Barkley 1993 WCF game 5:

43-point night, shooting 16-of-22 from the floor and a perfect 11-for-11 from the line. He also managed to pick up 15 rebounds and 10 assists in the Suns' 120-114 victory over the Sonics.

simple triple double with some other treats but ... please someone post games from ewing similar to these.

I'm sure Tim Duncan never posted numbers like that but.....

he didn't have to. His teams were freakin stacked with HOFers. And, duncans playoff numbers are excellent as well.

holfresh, for once you can say ... "perhaps I was incorrect on this one"

Barkley is from the best playoff performers of all time. You picked a lemon on this arg.

But the point is that Barkely's numbers are slightly better than Tim in the playoffs and you know Tim is an around much better player..

Duncan was a better defender and barkley was a bit better on offense so tim wins but not by as much as you think.

so take a look at the 1990 sixers roster. They beat a really good cleveland team in the first round of the playoffs and lost to the bulls in the second round.

that roster was absolutely terrible. Look how barkley played and look at his numbers. See you can't always blame teammates for playing like crap. Barkley carried awful teams to playoff wins. That just shows how under appreciated he was. He pretty much went to the playoffs every year no matter who he played with and pretty much played great regardless of who his teammates were.

Do a little research into barkley if you want to really appreciate how great of a player he was.

His biggest problem especially early on in his career was that he was a bit of a dik but hey ... fuk philly and their azzhole fans.

I think that barkley has 3 of the top 25 playoff performances of all time as per espn (or some nba.com).

I think what you have to appreciate are guys playing within a team concept to win games versus guys who are just gunning it because they have no help..Not saying Barkely isn't a great player but you can't compare him to Duncan as their goals are completely different..Duncan is trying to win Chips versus Barkely putting a team on his back to survive..Its a different mindset and goals..I'm sure Duncan could score 40+ putting up 30 shots as well in his prime playing the game like its his last..

you really don't understand the game of basketball.

I don't understand basketball and you were the one trying to compare O'Quinn's game to Boris Diaw's by just looking at his stats..What did you say? His game reminds you of Diaw?

That was another great post. Can we talk about Okafor's release point again?

wait a sec... we are talking about o'quinn, a player i predicted would be good for the knicks, and he has already proven that. holfresh thought he was a lousy player and basically end of bench material. then all of a sudden he has o'quinn starting. weird.

you want to talk about okafor? weak sauce

my thesis is great players don't always win until the right team around them AND who the opponent is. Ewing's knicks win 1 or two rings if Jordan does not exist is he really that much greater? Sure we are much happier but if the knicks had one more legit player its likely he could have raised the knicks. What Im saying is Ewing did as much as he could but its a team sport and the collective talent on the knicks was not high enough. Ewing is in that second tier of greats in part because they did not win a championship. Ewing did not win an MVP either.

The great Jerry West and the great Elgin Baylor were tortured by the Celtics and knicks and won only once. Wilt wins two. Oscar needed Lou, and Lou needed Oscar.

Its not a game of tennis, its a team sport. Barkley carried his team as did Ewing his. Barkley was a better player, but 7 feet does more and Ewing was a great player. One was a center, the other a forward. Can't compare.

Ewing was great in the last great era for big men. As Shaq has said, he destroyed the great centers!!! The big man era is not yet returned.
Ewing was awesome.

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Best way to settle this is to ask average NBA fans who would they draft if starting a team Ewing or Barkley

Forget the fans...who would the average GM take?

I would take Ewing, and a majority of GMs would. Played both ends of the court and played hard. Fit into a team concept better than Barkley, IMO.

Not as colorful or spectacular as Barkley, but how do you think a Ewiomg/KJ team would have done with some of the other talent Phoenix had at the time? Both would have been better for that pairing.

I make take ewing too if I was starting a team.

Ewing and KJ would not have been close to what Barkley did on that team. Barkley again was one of the GOATs of the playoffs. Ewing was not.

Barkley was ranked much higher in the top 50 while ewing was a center so probably the higher pick.

fishmike wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:I am really impressed guys. Melo says one thing that every single New Yorker I know understands fully, something that is very real and sincere and obviously not meant in any way to insult actual New Yorkers, and you guys somehow evolve it into a debate as to who was the better player between Ewing and Barkley LMFAO. Is your hatred for Melo really that psychotic? I'm not trying to be cute, but this seriously has some kind of deranged and twisted secret jealousy written all over it LMFAO. He's on the team, he's our best scorer. Get over it. You sound like children for god's sake.

everything you just said. However its only a few posters here who are really dedicated to that agenda. I am sure you have figured out who they are. They are very very vocal and generally dont have a ton to say otherwise. My suggestion is to just have fun with it.

I knew when I saw the article this had potential to be a 10 pager of fodder and tangents. I need only read the last page to confirm this is true. What confirms what you wrote above is the amount of time these folks put into their anti-Melo posts. Imagine actually hating a sports figure so much (who is a good player and a good person off the court). These guys are scouring the internet for stats and history to further their agendas... I mean, why bother?

Trash his game, call him out on mistakes... fine. Every money guy in NYC deals with that. Dish it. But the stuff these guys come up with is somewhere between bat**** crazy, sad and pathetic.

Looking forward some BB tonight.

very little melo bashing in this thread. nobody really cares that much about this story ... sorry

arkrud wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:I am really impressed guys. Melo says one thing that every single New Yorker I know understands fully, something that is very real and sincere and obviously not meant in any way to insult actual New Yorkers, and you guys somehow evolve it into a debate as to who was the better player between Ewing and Barkley LMFAO. Is your hatred for Melo really that psychotic? I'm not trying to be cute, but this seriously has some kind of deranged and twisted secret jealousy written all over it LMFAO. He's on the team, he's our best scorer. Get over it. You sound like children for god's sake.

everything you just said. However its only a few posters here who are really dedicated to that agenda. I am sure you have figured out who they are. They are very very vocal and generally dont have a ton to say otherwise. My suggestion is to just have fun with it.

I knew when I saw the article this had potential to be a 10 pager of fodder and tangents. I need only read the last page to confirm this is true. What confirms what you wrote above is the amount of time these folks put into their anti-Melo posts. Imagine actually hating a sports figure so much (who is a good player and a good person off the court). These guys are scouring the internet for stats and history to further their agendas... I mean, why bother?

Trash his game, call him out on mistakes... fine. Every money guy in NYC deals with that. Dish it. But the stuff these guys come up with is somewhere between bat**** crazy, sad and pathetic.

Looking forward some BB tonight.

very little melo bashing in this thread. nobody really cares that much about this story ... sorry

At the end of the day it is about what player accomplished in his own carrier and with the team.
For now Melo put himself in the group of elite offensive players who were the main peace any place he played.
It was very little impact from him on the teams he played as leadership and winning goes.
I do not think it is his fault in any way. He is not the one who builds and leads the bbal clubs.
Owners and GMs want him to make money for the organization and himself and he did.
Nobody hired him to became great or win it all. And he was not very much into this goals ether.
It's all business.

Exactly, at the end of the day it's what you do on the court. Not what you say or do on Vice, no matter how dumb.

Seems like Arkrud, mreinman, DK7th, and myself are the only ones with any shred of common sense sometimes.

ChuckBuck wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:True guys that represented New York the right way during their time here. Just beloved for their play and actions either on or off the court.

Jeter
Namath
Reed
Clyde
Oakley
Curtis Martin
Mariano
Bernie Williams
Eli
David Wright
Ewing
Mattingly
Debusschere
Bradley
Starks
Mason
Sprewell
Camby
LJ
Houston
Maynard
Klecko
Gastineau
Simms
LT
Strahan
Osi
Tuck
Messier
Leetch
Graves
Rizzuto
Ruth
Gehrig
DiMaggio
Ford
Berra
Reggie

Not one of these guys would ever ever under any conditions say "Phuck New York".

Phuck that loser Melo. Phuck him hard!

See, this is why I love it when he says stuff like that, so that guys like you will bite on it. Too funny. And you're right, DiMaggio would never say 'phuck New York'. He would just go beat up his wife and leave his child homeless. And you're right, Sprewell would never say something like that, he'd just choke the hell out of one of his coaches. And you're right, LT wouldn't... okay I'm going to stop there. Want me to keep going?

Please do. Notice all the players you mentioned have one thing in common. They've all made it to the Championship game or won it.

Your beloved never ever came close. Now here's a hankerchief, you got some of Melo's ball juice all over your mouth.

Oh and by the way, he's not my beloved. He's YOUR beloved. You probably spend more time talking about him here than anyone else. Proof is in the pudding babeh. I just like to call people out when they're talking smack that they can't really back up, obviously making up stuff just to be hateful and sabotage anything. I'll admit, there's a bit of laziness to it, being that it's kind of easy. But hey, what are you gonna do?

fishmike wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:I am really impressed guys. Melo says one thing that every single New Yorker I know understands fully, something that is very real and sincere and obviously not meant in any way to insult actual New Yorkers, and you guys somehow evolve it into a debate as to who was the better player between Ewing and Barkley LMFAO. Is your hatred for Melo really that psychotic? I'm not trying to be cute, but this seriously has some kind of deranged and twisted secret jealousy written all over it LMFAO. He's on the team, he's our best scorer. Get over it. You sound like children for god's sake.

everything you just said. However its only a few posters here who are really dedicated to that agenda. I am sure you have figured out who they are. They are very very vocal and generally dont have a ton to say otherwise. My suggestion is to just have fun with it.

I knew when I saw the article this had potential to be a 10 pager of fodder and tangents. I need only read the last page to confirm this is true. What confirms what you wrote above is the amount of time these folks put into their anti-Melo posts. Imagine actually hating a sports figure so much (who is a good player and a good person off the court). These guys are scouring the internet for stats and history to further their agendas... I mean, why bother?

Trash his game, call him out on mistakes... fine. Every money guy in NYC deals with that. Dish it. But the stuff these guys come up with is somewhere between bat**** crazy, sad and pathetic.

Looking forward some BB tonight.

I'm definitely looking forward to some game tonight as well. And believe me, I've got my criticisms of Melo too, but man some of these people are just crazy with it. I would love to know exactly what it was he did to piss them off so much. But yeah, I am having fun with it. That's pretty much what I was doing anyway. Taking personally the insults directed towards Melo would be almost as psychotic hahahaaa. Almost.

ChuckBuck wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:True guys that represented New York the right way during their time here. Just beloved for their play and actions either on or off the court.

Jeter
Namath
Reed
Clyde
Oakley
Curtis Martin
Mariano
Bernie Williams
Eli
David Wright
Ewing
Mattingly
Debusschere
Bradley
Starks
Mason
Sprewell
Camby
LJ
Houston
Maynard
Klecko
Gastineau
Simms
LT
Strahan
Osi
Tuck
Messier
Leetch
Graves
Rizzuto
Ruth
Gehrig
DiMaggio
Ford
Berra
Reggie

Not one of these guys would ever ever under any conditions say "Phuck New York".

Phuck that loser Melo. Phuck him hard!

See, this is why I love it when he says stuff like that, so that guys like you will bite on it. Too funny. And you're right, DiMaggio would never say 'phuck New York'. He would just go beat up his wife and leave his child homeless. And you're right, Sprewell would never say something like that, he'd just choke the hell out of one of his coaches. And you're right, LT wouldn't... okay I'm going to stop there. Want me to keep going?

Please do. Notice all the players you mentioned have one thing in common. They've all made it to the Championship game or won it.

Your beloved never ever came close. Now here's a hankerchief, you got some of Melo's ball juice all over your mouth.

Oh and by the way, he's not my beloved. He's YOUR beloved. You probably spend more time talking about him here than anyone else. Proof is in the pudding babeh. I just like to call people out when they're talking smack that they can't really back up, obviously making up stuff just to be hateful and sabotage anything. I'll admit, there's a bit of laziness to it, being that it's kind of easy. But hey, what are you gonna do?

How many NBA Finals has Carmelo Anthony played in his career?

I wish you could call me out successfully, but just don't see it happening anytime soon.

But that's not what this was originally about. What the hell does appearing in the NBA Finals have to do with twisting a guy's words around, digging up any little thing you can just to bash a guy? You're now changing directions because you know you're beat, you just refuse to admit it. Like a spoiled little brat hahaaaa. Give it up. Unless you bring something actually relevant to the original topic, I'm not even going to bother replying to you again. I don't feel like following psychos down their psycho trails in life. Hateful people, my goodness.