crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:http://www.kentucky.com/2015/06/04/3884011_ex-cat-cauley-stein-assessed-as.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&rh=1

Not much was expected of Willie Cauley-Stein when he walked onto the court for Monday's pre-NBA Draft workout in Los Angeles.

It was the format of the workout — not the formidability of the player — that led to the lowered expectations.

Those in attendance knew that the former University of Kentucky standout would not be able to show off the defensive skills that will make him an early pick in the June 25 draft.

This workout, which included likely top-five picks Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell, would be all about offense.

Shooting, passing, ball handling and post moves were in. An opportunity for Cauley-Stein — possibly the best defender in this draft, but perceived to be offensively challenged — to prove his defensive mettle against former teammate Towns was out.

Cauley-Stein had a good day anyway.

"I thought he was really impressive," said DraftExpress.com's Jonathan Givony, one of the few analysts invited to the workout. "I came away pleasantly surprised."

A DraftExpress scouting breakdown earlier this year mentioned the former Wildcat's shooting stroke as a "strength" to his game, even if UK fans rarely got to see it outside of pregame warm-ups.

So Givony knew Cauley-Stein could shoot. He just didn't know he could shoot like he did Monday, when he was draining jumpers from all over the floor in a variety of ways.

"Just to see him knocking down three-pointer after three-pointer — that I wasn't really prepared for," he said.

It will be a comforting thought for whichever team selects Cauley-Stein in the NBA Draft. His showing in Monday's workout won't change the immediate expectations, which are almost entirely on the defensive end. But it did prove there could be more to Cauley-Stein's game down the road.

"There's a difference between hitting that shot by yourself in a gym and doing it in a game with a defender on you and all that pressure," Givony said. "But that's how guys become shooters. They work on it by themselves, and they get more comfortable with it in the game setting. I think what this means to me is that he has the potential to develop into that."

Another attribute on full display Monday was Cauley-Stein's elite athleticism, a major part of what makes him such a great defender.

He has often been compared to one-time NBA defensive player of the year Tyson Chandler, though former UCLA star big man Don MacLean — who was responsible for running Monday's workout — said Cauley-Stein is much more athletic than Chandler has ever been.

MacLean compared him to Los Angeles Clippers center DeAndre Jordan, a first-team all-NBA defender this season and a player whose uber-athletic dunks and blocked shots have left fans shaking their heads in disbelief over the past few years.

"Willie is an unbelievable athlete," Givony said. "So you can compare him to all of the best athletes in the NBA, and it really doesn't matter. The guy is an amazing athlete. Just the way he covers ground. I mean, I don't know if there's a guy in the NBA who can do that."

The concerns from NBA teams have largely been of the off-the-court variety.

Much has been made of Cauley-Stein's interest in art and the continued questions about how much he ultimately cares about basketball.

He says he's completely serious about the game — something that those who have been around him are quick to confirm. His "I don't really like art" declaration from last month's NBA Combine came across as more of a PR overshoot, and it was met with skepticism.

Givony said it's not the art talk that NBA teams care about.

"I think some of that stuff is a little bit overblown," he said. "He's going to be a top-six pick, you know? So they're not that concerned."

The concern, Givony says, is the inconsistency that Cauley-Stein showed during his three seasons at UK.

"There were certain games where he just didn't look like he was operating at full intensity," he said. "I just think it's teams doing their due diligence on that, because so much of his game is going to revolve around playing hard, so they just want to make sure that he's going to do that on every single night.

"And the only person that can say that with any certainty is Willie."

Given his continued rise in NBA mock drafts, whatever concerns there are seem to be fading.

DraftExpress.com projects Cauley-Stein as the No. 5 overall pick to the Orlando Magic, though Givony said Wednesday that he could "totally see" the former UK center go to the New York Knicks at No. 4.

No matter where he ends up, he'll be expected to make an immediate impact.

"I think whatever team he's going to go to is going to really need him," Givony said. "I don't see him coming in and being like a project guy, playing 10 minutes a game. I think that whoever picks him is going to need him to come in and play a role right away, and I think he's ready to do that."

This is everything WCS supporters have been hoping to hear. IMO this guy has a ton of upside. He's not tripping over his feet and losing the ball. You can tell that he's comfortable handling the ball just enough with 1 or 2 dribbles and attacking the basket explosively. You can see he's agile enough to get around slower centers. You can see that he at least has the stroke to nail open jumpers, which is basically a huge plus. I think he is the right pick for the same reasons I felt Towns was the right pick. Both can be 2 way players. WCS not as offensively gifted but he should be functional enough to be part of the offensive flow. That's all I need to know.

A perimeter defender like Winslow would also be a good pick, but I think WCS has greater impact because he's helping EVERYONE on the floor defensively. He's so big and quick that he can roam the floor and get back to the rim. That would be a HUGE upgrade for this team. We can make up scoring of a Russell or Mudiay with other players IMO, but there are very few bigs who are capable of covering so much ground on D against PnR and protecting the rim.

I'm not that blown away by his workout -- I've seen him knock down jump shots with nice form and I've seen him both dribble/pass nicely in high-speed fast break situations at UK. I also don't think the UK offense and the Harrison twins did any of their bigs a great service in terms of showing for the NBA.

My big thing with Willie is the development of some type of back to the basket game -- something where he can be a threat occasionally catching the ball in the post. I also want to see him consistently finish on put backs or drives/lay-ups around the basket. I'm less interested in my 7 footer jacking up 18 footers than I am about him being forceful around the basket and making easy buckets around the rim.

Hoping Willie is under consideration - would love him at #5, #6 or #7 in a trade down but I don't think he gets by #6 at this point.

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:BIG WCS fan as well.

I'm not that blown away by his workout -- I've seen him knock down jump shots with nice form and I've seen him both dribble/pass nicely in high-speed fast break situations at UK. I also don't think the UK offense and the Harrison twins did any of their bigs a great service in terms of showing for the NBA.

My big thing with Willie is the development of some type of back to the basket game -- something where he can be a threat occasionally catching the ball in the post. I also want to see him consistently finish on put backs or drives/lay-ups around the basket. I'm less interested in my 7 footer jacking up 18 footers than I am about him being forceful around the basket and making easy buckets around the rim.

Hoping Willie is under consideration - would love him at #5, #6 or #7 in a trade down but I don't think he gets by #6 at this point.

If we draft WCS he'll get a healthy amount of post ups where he can make passes or go with a jump hook, face up and drive or jab step and take the Jumper. He'll have a chance to fully develop his game. An example is how Lou Amundson came here having almost zero post game and he actually worked on it and got 6 shots a game. He isn't anywhere near as talented as WCS but it just shows that he should get lots of touches in this offense. Lou was the least talented big and still he got looks. WCS will get a ton more touches than he's ever had before.

WCS has Phil Jackson as a mentor.....Somebody who will be looking at Stein everyday, dissecting his every move. The Center spot is something he knows about so I'm sure he will help improve Stein's overall game, especially on the block. Fisher should be a solid mentor for all PG's on the roster. So we have two important organizational members that played in the NBA at the two most critical positions we are looking to upgrade. Everything seems to be lined up as planned so far, even without picking Towns. Stein might be below Towns as far as offense, but he's better than Towns as far as defense, which was our most glaring need.

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:BIG WCS fan as well.

I'm not that blown away by his workout -- I've seen him knock down jump shots with nice form and I've seen him both dribble/pass nicely in high-speed fast break situations at UK. I also don't think the UK offense and the Harrison twins did any of their bigs a great service in terms of showing for the NBA.

My big thing with Willie is the development of some type of back to the basket game -- something where he can be a threat occasionally catching the ball in the post. I also want to see him consistently finish on put backs or drives/lay-ups around the basket. I'm less interested in my 7 footer jacking up 18 footers than I am about him being forceful around the basket and making easy buckets around the rim.

Hoping Willie is under consideration - would love him at #5, #6 or #7 in a trade down but I don't think he gets by #6 at this point.

If we draft WCS he'll get a healthy amount of post ups where he can make passes or go with a jump hook, face up and drive or jab step and take the Jumper. He'll have a chance to fully develop his game. An example is how Lou Amundson came here having almost zero post game and he actually worked on it and got 6 shots a game. He isn't anywhere near as talented as WCS but it just shows that he should get lots of touches in this offense. Lou was the least talented big and still he got looks. WCS will get a ton more touches than he's ever had before.

WCS has Phil Jackson as a mentor.....Somebody who will be looking at Stein everyday, dissecting his every move. The Center spot is something he knows about so I'm sure he will help improve Stein's overall game, especially on the block. Fisher should be a solid mentor for all PG's on the roster. So we have two important organizational members that played in the NBA at the two most critical positions we are looking to upgrade. Everything seems to be lined up as planned so far, even without picking Towns. Stein might be below Towns as far as offense, but he's better than Towns as far as defense, which was our most glaring need.

I had Towns if we got #1 and once we ended up #4 it was clear to me that we should at the least consider WCS. The more I thought about it and looked into his scouting reports the stronger I felt about taking WCS at #4. Our biggest need didn't change just cuz Towns was out of reach. WCS brings things on the defensive end that no one else brings. He's just not an elite offensive player, but we know he'll be efficient. Dude scored at 72% at the rim. Was 1.4 ppp in transition. That will all play a role in how WCS can impact this team.

Even if his shot is off, WCS has other ways to impact the game without the ball and that is huge IMO. His effort on D will have a positive impact on the rest of the team as well. Taking WCS doesn't stop us from also going after a guy like Ajinca in Free Agency. Or Enes Kanter or Monroe etc. We can just continue to strengthen the front court. Then we still have the option to go after a SG who can defend as well.

Are we making a mistake in passing on Porzingis, who will be selected #5, according to rumors? Once I knew we were picking 4th, I actually said Phil has the green light to pick this guy. His a typical homerun swing. Stein is a safe swing. The only knock I'm hearing on this LEGIT 2-Way 7 footer, is that he's too skinny. Thats not enough to pass on someone who plays both ends and has potential to be the BEST player in this draft.

"Timberwolves coach/executive Flip Saunders likes Jahlil Okafor better than Karl-Anthony Towns, but most of the rest of the team’s staff prefers Towns, as Chad Ford of ESPN.com hears for his latest Insider-only mock draft. Ford believes those those pro-Towns staffers will ultimately win Saunders over and lists Towns atop his mock, also passing along word from sources that the Magic are zeroing in on Kristaps Porzingis at No. 5."

blkexec wrote:Man....I'm trying to stick with WCS and keep it moving....But everytime I read up on this dude.....My heart says we should pick him. He's already a two way player. And he would fit perfect next to Monroe. He moves Melo to SF, but Melo is only here for 2-3 years. What if this kid is the real deal? What if he's the best player in the draft? We all know WCS, Mudiay, Winslow will not be the best player in this draft....But we can't say the same about this dude:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2482016-the-case-for-kristaps-porzingis-as-a-top-5-pick-in-the-2015-nba-draft

Once you get beyond Karl-Anthony Towns and Jahlil Okafor, Porzingis compares favorably to any other talented prospect in this class. Several of the top-five lottery teams should highly consider snagging him.
At No. 5, the Orlando Magic would love the shooting and rim protection he offers. At No. 4, the Knicks are in need of talent all over the place, and he may be the top performer left on the board. And the Philadelphia 76ers at No. 3 have made several visits abroad to watch him play. Derek Bodner of Liberty Ballers reports that general manager Sam Hinkie is a "big fan."
No one's crowning him as the next Nowitzki or franchise-transforming superstar. His suitors should realize the risk involved in choosing him.
But Porzingis is on track to be anything but a bust. He'll be used in a variety of ways, and he projects to be one of the most dangerous Europeans to grace the NBA hardwood in the past decade.
The reward is just too rich to pass up.

Not long ago people said all WCS could do is dunk and now we see he can shoot out to 3pt range with smooth form. If he keeps working on his confidence that's his only holdup. He can clearly make the shots and now just needs to implement that into his game in live action. IMO it's not a mirage. This guy is just starting to blossom as an offensive player.

Just look at his workout video again and look at WCS footwork. He has the raw ability to make just about any move. He simply needs to get with a big man coach like Olajuwon and learn how to put it all together. He's got the physical talent no doubt. Did WCS look like he was uncomfortable handling the ball or driving? He didn't look like he had even the slightest issue with his footwork on his spin move.

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:BIG WCS fan as well.

I'm not that blown away by his workout -- I've seen him knock down jump shots with nice form and I've seen him both dribble/pass nicely in high-speed fast break situations at UK. I also don't think the UK offense and the Harrison twins did any of their bigs a great service in terms of showing for the NBA.

My big thing with Willie is the development of some type of back to the basket game -- something where he can be a threat occasionally catching the ball in the post. I also want to see him consistently finish on put backs or drives/lay-ups around the basket. I'm less interested in my 7 footer jacking up 18 footers than I am about him being forceful around the basket and making easy buckets around the rim.

Hoping Willie is under consideration - would love him at #5, #6 or #7 in a trade down but I don't think he gets by #6 at this point.

If we draft WCS he'll get a healthy amount of post ups where he can make passes or go with a jump hook, face up and drive or jab step and take the Jumper. He'll have a chance to fully develop his game. An example is how Lou Amundson came here having almost zero post game and he actually worked on it and got 6 shots a game. He isn't anywhere near as talented as WCS but it just shows that he should get lots of touches in this offense. Lou was the least talented big and still he got looks. WCS will get a ton more touches than he's ever had before.

WCS has Phil Jackson as a mentor.....Somebody who will be looking at Stein everyday, dissecting his every move. The Center spot is something he knows about so I'm sure he will help improve Stein's overall game, especially on the block. Fisher should be a solid mentor for all PG's on the roster. So we have two important organizational members that played in the NBA at the two most critical positions we are looking to upgrade. Everything seems to be lined up as planned so far, even without picking Towns. Stein might be below Towns as far as offense, but he's better than Towns as far as defense, which was our most glaring need.

I had Towns if we got #1 and once we ended up #4 it was clear to me that we should at the least consider WCS. The more I thought about it and looked into his scouting reports the stronger I felt about taking WCS at #4. Our biggest need didn't change just cuz Towns was out of reach. WCS brings things on the defensive end that no one else brings. He's just not an elite offensive player, but we know he'll be efficient. Dude scored at 72% at the rim. Was 1.4 ppp in transition. That will all play a role in how WCS can impact this team.

Even if his shot is off, WCS has other ways to impact the game without the ball and that is huge IMO. His effort on D will have a positive impact on the rest of the team as well. Taking WCS doesn't stop us from also going after a guy like Ajinca in Free Agency. Or Enes Kanter or Monroe etc. We can just continue to strengthen the front court. Then we still have the option to go after a SG who can defend as well.

Are we making a mistake in passing on Porzingis, who will be selected #5, according to rumors? Once I knew we were picking 4th, I actually said Phil has the green light to pick this guy. His a typical homerun swing. Stein is a safe swing. The only knock I'm hearing on this LEGIT 2-Way 7 footer, is that he's too skinny. Thats not enough to pass on someone who plays both ends and has potential to be the BEST player in this draft.

"Timberwolves coach/executive Flip Saunders likes Jahlil Okafor better than Karl-Anthony Towns, but most of the rest of the team’s staff prefers Towns, as Chad Ford of ESPN.com hears for his latest Insider-only mock draft. Ford believes those those pro-Towns staffers will ultimately win Saunders over and lists Towns atop his mock, also passing along word from sources that the Magic are zeroing in on Kristaps Porzingis at No. 5."

The dude is an unknown Euro dude that we simply can't waste a top pick on. Just like Mudiay, he needs to be selected with the tenth pick of the draft

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:BIG WCS fan as well.

I'm not that blown away by his workout -- I've seen him knock down jump shots with nice form and I've seen him both dribble/pass nicely in high-speed fast break situations at UK. I also don't think the UK offense and the Harrison twins did any of their bigs a great service in terms of showing for the NBA.

My big thing with Willie is the development of some type of back to the basket game -- something where he can be a threat occasionally catching the ball in the post. I also want to see him consistently finish on put backs or drives/lay-ups around the basket. I'm less interested in my 7 footer jacking up 18 footers than I am about him being forceful around the basket and making easy buckets around the rim.

Hoping Willie is under consideration - would love him at #5, #6 or #7 in a trade down but I don't think he gets by #6 at this point.

If we draft WCS he'll get a healthy amount of post ups where he can make passes or go with a jump hook, face up and drive or jab step and take the Jumper. He'll have a chance to fully develop his game. An example is how Lou Amundson came here having almost zero post game and he actually worked on it and got 6 shots a game. He isn't anywhere near as talented as WCS but it just shows that he should get lots of touches in this offense. Lou was the least talented big and still he got looks. WCS will get a ton more touches than he's ever had before.

WCS has Phil Jackson as a mentor.....Somebody who will be looking at Stein everyday, dissecting his every move. The Center spot is something he knows about so I'm sure he will help improve Stein's overall game, especially on the block. Fisher should be a solid mentor for all PG's on the roster. So we have two important organizational members that played in the NBA at the two most critical positions we are looking to upgrade. Everything seems to be lined up as planned so far, even without picking Towns. Stein might be below Towns as far as offense, but he's better than Towns as far as defense, which was our most glaring need.

I had Towns if we got #1 and once we ended up #4 it was clear to me that we should at the least consider WCS. The more I thought about it and looked into his scouting reports the stronger I felt about taking WCS at #4. Our biggest need didn't change just cuz Towns was out of reach. WCS brings things on the defensive end that no one else brings. He's just not an elite offensive player, but we know he'll be efficient. Dude scored at 72% at the rim. Was 1.4 ppp in transition. That will all play a role in how WCS can impact this team.

Even if his shot is off, WCS has other ways to impact the game without the ball and that is huge IMO. His effort on D will have a positive impact on the rest of the team as well. Taking WCS doesn't stop us from also going after a guy like Ajinca in Free Agency. Or Enes Kanter or Monroe etc. We can just continue to strengthen the front court. Then we still have the option to go after a SG who can defend as well.

Are we making a mistake in passing on Porzingis, who will be selected #5, according to rumors? Once I knew we were picking 4th, I actually said Phil has the green light to pick this guy. His a typical homerun swing. Stein is a safe swing. The only knock I'm hearing on this LEGIT 2-Way 7 footer, is that he's too skinny. Thats not enough to pass on someone who plays both ends and has potential to be the BEST player in this draft.

"Timberwolves coach/executive Flip Saunders likes Jahlil Okafor better than Karl-Anthony Towns, but most of the rest of the team’s staff prefers Towns, as Chad Ford of ESPN.com hears for his latest Insider-only mock draft. Ford believes those those pro-Towns staffers will ultimately win Saunders over and lists Towns atop his mock, also passing along word from sources that the Magic are zeroing in on Kristaps Porzingis at No. 5."

The dude is an unknown Euro dude that we simply can't waste a top pick on. Just like Mudiay, he needs to be selected with the tenth pick of the draft

I just don't think we have to reach for upside in this draft. Russell, Winslow, Okafor or WCS is pretty much good enough. The BIG IF on Mudiay and Porzingis isn't worth it. I don't believe either will exceed the ability of the other players by enough to make it worth the risk. I'm solidly in the WCS corner because he's a 7'er whose main impact comes without the basketball.
For me that's huge.

Exactly

I feel much more confident in how WCS will adapt to the next level. He's already adjusted to USA style ball. All WCS is going to do is get stronger from an already NBA ready body. I'm not convinced that WCS won't develop an enhanced offensive game. He has a great chance to improve his offense. It doesn't matter where you start but where you finish. We haven't seen the best of WCS yet.

Opposing teams often abandon the pick-and-roll against Kentucky because Cauley-Stein’s quickness and ability to defend guards as well as centers allow the Wildcats to switch without being at a disadvantage. Cauley-Stein often guards the opposing team’s best scorer, regardless of position. The most recent example: He limited Auburn point guard K.T. Harrell, the SEC’s leading scorer, to 1-of-12 shooting.

Between his athleticism and uncanny timing, Cauley-Stein makes life difficult for opposing guards, both as a primary and roving help defender. Watching film, it almost looks as if he sometimes wants shorter players to get a half step on him, in hopes of inducing a shot. That’s how much Cauley-Stein trusts his length and foot speed: He knows he’ll be able to catch players from behind to get a block as their shots are being released.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:WCS is an ELITE level defender. He's not just some shot blocking big.

Opposing teams often abandon the pick-and-roll against Kentucky because Cauley-Stein’s quickness and ability to defend guards as well as centers allow the Wildcats to switch without being at a disadvantage. Cauley-Stein often guards the opposing team’s best scorer, regardless of position. The most recent example: He limited Auburn point guard K.T. Harrell, the SEC’s leading scorer, to 1-of-12 shooting.

Between his athleticism and uncanny timing, Cauley-Stein makes life difficult for opposing guards, both as a primary and roving help defender. Watching film, it almost looks as if he sometimes wants shorter players to get a half step on him, in hopes of inducing a shot. That’s how much Cauley-Stein trusts his length and foot speed: He knows he’ll be able to catch players from behind to get a block as their shots are being released.

Nixluva do you think Willie Stein is the 2nd coming of Bill Russell for goodness sakes? Do you think Bill Russell got bullied by 6-5 guy two games ain a row when it mattered?

Think about this for one moment--Jahill Okafor was the focus of teams double and triple teaming him all year yet he was still a 20-10 player who shot 67%

teams that played Kentucky put a guard on Willie Stein and he was in sinmgle digits most of the year. He did not lead his own team in any category. I don't think he has a great feel for the game--that he will be a wonderful workout warrior but when he takes the court you have to be kidding me elite level defender--the one thing stein has going for him is the C position is PUTRID right now in the nBA--thats his up. If he was in the 80 or 90's he'd be a career back up. Those guys all knew how to play.

The more you post on this subject the worse you're starting to look. You seem to have a blind spot for just what it is that makes WCS special. You aren't paing attention to the details and are focused on minute areas that don't really play a major role in how WCS helps his team. I literally just posted it above and you keep going on about what you think you saw in a couple of games. You are obsessing over small flaws you saw and blowing them up way out of proportion.

The mere fact that you think WCS importance comes down to him leading in some statistical category proves to me that you are hopelessly lost on what makes him such a great defensive player. You really don't get it. I can't help you to understand beyond all that i've presented. I suggest you go over this thread and re-read all of the ways that WCS helps his team and why that would have a huge impact at the NBA level and how teams play now. Try to watch some Kentucky video again to see how they used WCS and perhaps the lightbulb will go off in your head finally after all this time. I still have hope for you.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:WCS is an ELITE level defender. He's not just some shot blocking big.

Opposing teams often abandon the pick-and-roll against Kentucky because Cauley-Stein’s quickness and ability to defend guards as well as centers allow the Wildcats to switch without being at a disadvantage. Cauley-Stein often guards the opposing team’s best scorer, regardless of position. The most recent example: He limited Auburn point guard K.T. Harrell, the SEC’s leading scorer, to 1-of-12 shooting.

Between his athleticism and uncanny timing, Cauley-Stein makes life difficult for opposing guards, both as a primary and roving help defender. Watching film, it almost looks as if he sometimes wants shorter players to get a half step on him, in hopes of inducing a shot. That’s how much Cauley-Stein trusts his length and foot speed: He knows he’ll be able to catch players from behind to get a block as their shots are being released.

Nixluva do you think Willie Stein is the 2nd coming of Bill Russell for goodness sakes? Do you think Bill Russell got bullied by 6-5 guy two games ain a row when it mattered?

Think about this for one moment--Jahill Okafor was the focus of teams double and triple teaming him all year yet he was still a 20-10 player who shot 67%

teams that played Kentucky put a guard on Willie Stein and he was in sinmgle digits most of the year. He did not lead his own team in any category. I don't think he has a great feel for the game--that he will be a wonderful workout warrior but when he takes the court you have to be kidding me elite level defender--the one thing stein has going for him is the C position is PUTRID right now in the nBA--thats his up. If he was in the 80 or 90's he'd be a career back up. Those guys all knew how to play.

The more you post on this subject the worse you're starting to look. You seem to have a blind spot for just what it is that makes WCS special. You aren't paing attention to the details and are focused on minute areas that don't really play a major role in how WCS helps his team. I literally just posted it above and you keep going on about what you think you saw in a couple of games. You are obsessing over small flaws you saw and blowing them up way out of proportion.

The mere fact that you think WCS importance comes down to him leading in some statistical category proves to me that you are hopelessly lost on what makes him such a great defensive player. You really don't get it. I can't help you to understand beyond all that i've presented. I suggest you go over this thread and re-read all of the ways that WCS helps his team and why that would have a huge impact at the NBA level and how teams play now. Try to watch some Kentucky video again to see how they used WCS and perhaps the lightbulb will go off in your head finally after all this time. I still have hope for you.

I actually watch their games--Im not reading off a draft sheet.