holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil won't bring Danny Green here..He isn't a ball handler in the triangle..He is just a spot up shooter..He will be too expensive..I would much rather pay Austin Rivers and Aminu with Danny Green's money and they will fit better..

Is this a real post? Austin Rivers has to come a long way before he is even a below avg player. A mini is okay If he is less than 3m otherwise bring in the Greek. Okay, you don't like Green for his expected price but don't give me Rivers. Lol.

What????....Dude is cheap and a lot better than what we have on the current roster..He is a big guard that can defend..Crazy not to see it...

He is cheap and I like the idea of grabbing former lottery picks but besides a few games in the playoffs he has been a subpar player. His dad made an awful trade just to save his career and maybe he turns it around learning from Paul. I hope he does I've been following him since he was in H.S.

He isn't an all star..He has been ok..He has had a solid series so far...Sub par..He carried then on stretch in a game...Thats not bad for a 2.5/3mil player..

Yes he has but 2 games in this series and a game or two in the last season foes not me forget his entire career up to this point.

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil won't bring Danny Green here..He isn't a ball handler in the triangle..He is just a spot up shooter..He will be too expensive..I would much rather pay Austin Rivers and Aminu with Danny Green's money and they will fit better..

Is this a real post? Austin Rivers has to come a long way before he is even a below avg player. A mini is okay If he is less than 3m otherwise bring in the Greek. Okay, you don't like Green for his expected price but don't give me Rivers. Lol.

What????....Dude is cheap and a lot better than what we have on the current roster..He is a big guard that can defend..Crazy not to see it...

He is cheap and I like the idea of grabbing former lottery picks but besides a few games in the playoffs he has been a subpar player. His dad made an awful trade just to save his career and maybe he turns it around learning from Paul. I hope he does I've been following him since he was in H.S.

He isn't an all star..He has been ok..He has had a solid series so far...Sub par..He carried then on stretch in a game...Thats not bad for a 2.5/3mil player..

Yes he has but 2 games in this series and a game or two in the last season foes not me forget his entire career up to this point.

OK..Shved at 4/5 mil per or Rivers at 3 mil per??

Danny Green is a good player that will get OVERPAID--Im highly confident of that. And while I think that WCS is high on Phil's list--I HIGHLY doubt Green is. Green resembles nothing of guards he has used in the past.

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil won't bring Danny Green here..He isn't a ball handler in the triangle..He is just a spot up shooter..He will be too expensive..I would much rather pay Austin Rivers and Aminu with Danny Green's money and they will fit better..

Is this a real post? Austin Rivers has to come a long way before he is even a below avg player. A mini is okay If he is less than 3m otherwise bring in the Greek. Okay, you don't like Green for his expected price but don't give me Rivers. Lol.

What????....Dude is cheap and a lot better than what we have on the current roster..He is a big guard that can defend..Crazy not to see it...

He is cheap and I like the idea of grabbing former lottery picks but besides a few games in the playoffs he has been a subpar player. His dad made an awful trade just to save his career and maybe he turns it around learning from Paul. I hope he does I've been following him since he was in H.S.

He isn't an all star..He has been ok..He has had a solid series so far...Sub par..He carried then on stretch in a game...Thats not bad for a 2.5/3mil player..

Yes he has but 2 games in this series and a game or two in the last season foes not me forget his entire career up to this point.

OK..Shved at 4/5 mil per or Rivers at 3 mil per??

I think both are minimum player but would hope the Knicks are smart enough to get Shved to sign for the exception.

Shvyed will get 3-4 years full MLE 4 years 26mm$. Hes a penetrating guard who can play PG at 6-6--if he adheres to putting on body weight hes worth the value by far.

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil won't bring Danny Green here..He isn't a ball handler in the triangle..He is just a spot up shooter..He will be too expensive..I would much rather pay Austin Rivers and Aminu with Danny Green's money and they will fit better..

Is this a real post? Austin Rivers has to come a long way before he is even a below avg player. A mini is okay If he is less than 3m otherwise bring in the Greek. Okay, you don't like Green for his expected price but don't give me Rivers. Lol.

What????....Dude is cheap and a lot better than what we have on the current roster..He is a big guard that can defend..Crazy not to see it...

He is cheap and I like the idea of grabbing former lottery picks but besides a few games in the playoffs he has been a subpar player. His dad made an awful trade just to save his career and maybe he turns it around learning from Paul. I hope he does I've been following him since he was in H.S.

He isn't an all star..He has been ok..He has had a solid series so far...Sub par..He carried then on stretch in a game...Thats not bad for a 2.5/3mil player..

Yes he has but 2 games in this series and a game or two in the last season foes not me forget his entire career up to this point.

OK..Shved at 4/5 mil per or Rivers at 3 mil per??

I think both are minimum player but would hope the Knicks are smart enough to get Shved to sign for the exception.

Shvyed will get 3-4 years full MLE 4 years 26mm$. Hes a penetrating guard who can play PG at 6-6--if he adheres to putting on body weight hes worth the value by far.

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BRIGGS wrote:Unless you get a Steph Curry--guards are like NFL running backs--you can find them in many places not related to paying 10mm or with the 2nd pick in the draft.

Danny Green is a good player that will get OVERPAID--Im highly confident of that. And while I think that WCS is high on Phil's list--I HIGHLY doubt Green is. Green resembles nothing of guards he has used in the past.

Again, we don't know what Danny will end up getting on the open market. Being Overpaid is subjective. What's the value on a top defensive guard who is also a top 3pt threat?

BRIGGS I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Danny Green is just a bigger version of Kerr or Paxson, but with the added benefit of being a great defender!!! Brian Shaw was very similar to Danny Green only not a great shooter. I think it's a mistake to forget all the different guards Phil has had over the years.

Danny isn't a great driver but he does score at the basket by using great off ball movement. When he does get near the basket he's at least efficient in that area.

Also let's not forget that Danny wouldn't be the only guard we have. I mean we'll still have other guards with different skill sets. Shved could easily be brought back and thrive next to Danny.

Nixluva--read Phil Jackson today--he said the same thing i said on twitter just a few hrs ago--we need penetrating guards.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Unless you get a Steph Curry--guards are like NFL running backs--you can find them in many places not related to paying 10mm or with the 2nd pick in the draft.

Danny Green is a good player that will get OVERPAID--Im highly confident of that. And while I think that WCS is high on Phil's list--I HIGHLY doubt Green is. Green resembles nothing of guards he has used in the past.

Again, we don't know what Danny will end up getting on the open market. Being Overpaid is subjective. What's the value on a top defensive guard who is also a top 3pt threat?

BRIGGS I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Danny Green is just a bigger version of Kerr or Paxson, but with the added benefit of being a great defender!!! Brian Shaw was very similar to Danny Green only not a great shooter. I think it's a mistake to forget all the different guards Phil has had over the years.

Danny isn't a great driver but he does score at the basket by using great off ball movement. When he does get near the basket he's at least efficient in that area.

Also let's not forget that Danny wouldn't be the only guard we have. I mean we'll still have other guards with different skill sets. Shved could easily be brought back and thrive next to Danny.

Nixluva--read Phil Jackson today--he said the same thing i said on twitter just a few hrs ago--we need penetrating guards.

Oh I read Phil's comments and I actually think I post the most on what Phil has said he plans on doing. What you may not realize is that even tho Phil has consistently been talking about getting to the basket and getting penetration, how he plans to address that need is made a bit clearer by his comments:

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This is something he's pointed to many times over the year. He believes that he can get penetration in the Triangle from different positions and not just the guards.

“We need a player that wants to go to the basket," Jackson said on Tuesday. Jackson noted that he doesn't necessarily need to bring in a guard who can penetrate, so he could also go after a slashing wing player.

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BRIGGS, you and I mostly agree on what the Knicks need to do. I think we just have a very slight difference on the value of a 3nD guard like Danny. IMO it's not a huge deal cuz we can address the need in a lot of different ways, but I do feel he would bring a very important need on the defensive end on the perimeter.

yellowboy90 wrote:If the Triangle is truly interchangeable like Phil thinks then he doesn't have to find the exact positional fits of his Bulls or Lakers. So it should be possible to use a 2 guard like Green in the same way he used Paxon, Armstrong, and Fisher as ones. Now, you will lose a lot of the passing that those players brought but what you get on defense should make up for some of his weaknesses.

If Phil is trying to construct an exact replica of his old teams then he is foolish(He could be). However it would be an odd stance since the Lakers were not an exact replica of his Bull teams. He needs to build his system with good and great parts/players that are obtainable while adjusting to the new style of play and taking in all the new analytical data he has available to him.

Phil already admitted that the Lakers tweaked the offense to include a bit more of the PnR and 3pt stuff. He may not believe in going 100% with the Metrics based approach as many teams have, but he's not immune to adding things to the Triangle that can make it better. Phil is Old School, but that doesn't mean his ways can't win.

IMO Phil is fully aware of the differences in talent he'll have now with Melo in the Mix. IMO Phil will have to do some slightly different things with this roster, but overall his underlying Basketball Principles will still govern his moves. IMO Phil is not foolish and I think in time all Knick fans will appreciate his knowledge about what wins in the NBA. 13 NBA Finals appearances and even more playoffs is nothing to sneeze at. I think there are some who don't respect the wealth of knowledge Phil has.