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4/3/2015  11:33 PM
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Red wrote:That was more like it. +9. One of only 2 Knicks on the + side. 21 points, 9 boards. 3 assists.

Damn good for a guy thats fat and out of shape

LOL, that comment still cracks me up. love how people can just assume that because the kid was a bit winded. people on this forum love to preach patience but almost NEVER actually practice it.


If Ledo was picked up by another club and had the nigh he had tonight we'd never hear the end of it. "Why didn't the Knicks pick him up?" If the Knicks get a kid like this, he must be a fat bum cuz you know... It's The Knicks.

We've got to show some patience with these kids. As much as people complain about the Knicks and young players, we actually have quite a few young prospects.

we have more young players now than we've had in a real long time.. it's a good thing. years like this year, won't be tolerated for very long though.

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4/4/2015  1:35 AM
The kid's making some nice progress, getting more comfortable:

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4/4/2015  2:17 AM
looks great to me. i wouldnt mind him on the roster next yr. who the HELL called him fat? am i missing something?
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4/4/2015  6:39 AM
I saw a nice rebound on the defensive end in traffic- the kid is so long, quick and has stickum on his fingers.

He definitely should be on the roster for next season.

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4/4/2015  10:33 AM
Sometimes we have to allow for the fact that when players are unsure of the offense and trying to play on the higher level of the NBA that they will play tentative and not look as good as they can. When watching kids develop we have to remember that this does happen. This is why you have to be patient and give it some time. Also many times a player has talent but just hasn't had a real opportunity to play and show it. This is why when I was touting Shved it may have seemed like I was just being some kind of Knick Fan Boy who like everything the Knicks do, but I actually did know he was a player with talent who hadn't been in good situations. That is also what the Knicks saw and why Phil actually used a Trade Exception to go and get Shved and give him a chance to show if he belongs.

There's a tendency to let the failures of the Knicks could every decision. Some think the Knicks can't do anything right but that's not necessarily true. I hope Early is OK, cuz he's another kid who needed time to get his game going. After a shaky start and injuries he wasn't at his best. So some practically gave up on him. These kids don't hurt out cap so there's no reason not to be patient. This is what the Spurs do and why they're able to develop so much talent.

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4/4/2015  1:53 PM
In a few games Ledo has already matched Shump's season high numbers.
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4/4/2015  2:04 PM
Vmart wrote:In a few games Ledo has already matched Shump's season high numbers.

I was arguing with Holfresh that Ledo had handles but was just being careless with the ball and he seemed to think I was contradicting myself. Ledo has had to adjust to the higher level of talent at the NBA level, while also trying to learn our system and his teammates. He perhaps didn't have to protect the ball as much against D Leaguers but in the NBA the higher level of defenders will strip him if he doesn't respect their defensive ability. I think he's making the adjustment and as he gets in better shape and more comfortable he'll show more of his real talent.

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4/4/2015  2:13 PM
Vmart wrote:In a few games Ledo has already matched Shump's season high numbers.

I had to check Shump's game logs but you are right. Nice pickup. Kudos to Nix for preaching patience with Ledo. He looked pretty rough at the start. Hopefully the Knicks sign him up for a partially guaranteed deal for next year. With Ledo, Galloway, Shved, Hardaway, Thanasis and Early, I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of wings were moved around draft night.
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4/4/2015  2:46 PM
nixluva wrote:
Vmart wrote:In a few games Ledo has already matched Shump's season high numbers.

I was arguing with Holfresh that Ledo had handles but was just being careless with the ball and he seemed to think I was contradicting myself. Ledo has had to adjust to the higher level of talent at the NBA level, while also trying to learn our system and his teammates. He perhaps didn't have to protect the ball as much against D Leaguers but in the NBA the higher level of defenders will strip him if he doesn't respect their defensive ability. I think he's making the adjustment and as he gets in better shape and more comfortable he'll show more of his real talent.


Not sure I want him bringing up the ball under any kind of pressure from what I've seen so far. He has some straight ahead quickness with the ball, and can take it to the basket, but you don't want him dribbling too long or having to be creative with it.

I don't like when THJ brings the ball up, either, and you can tell that Galloway was not a PG in college.

Don't see the triangle necessarily requiring a lot of complicated dribbling and 1/1 stuff, anyway, so having a great handle under all circumstances is not a necessity, IMO. You can carve out a role in this kind of offense without having "handles" to die for.

I am more interested in his decision making, as well as his defensive ability and consistency on the defensive end.

Happy that he's having some good moments and showing more confidence, and hope that he gets a lot of playing time the rest of the way.

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4/4/2015  3:44 PM
Finestrg wrote:The kid's making some nice progress, getting more comfortable:

great post. You watch his skills, his size, his quickness... this is absolutely a player worth investing in. I would sign him rest of year with a partial guarantee like Galloway has. I think that would give us some early bird rights etc.. Especially if we draft a big I think the guard spots will be open for whoever wins them. Right now I cant think of anything healthier than having Ledo, Galloway, Shved all competing for minutes next year in the rotation. All are different and bring different and good things. This group could be the start of a nice little pipeline. All three have shown signs of being good players. Its on them how good they become but there is some talent there.
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4/4/2015  4:07 PM
fishmike wrote:
Finestrg wrote:The kid's making some nice progress, getting more comfortable:

great post. You watch his skills, his size, his quickness... this is absolutely a player worth investing in. I would sign him rest of year with a partial guarantee like Galloway has. I think that would give us some early bird rights etc.. Especially if we draft a big I think the guard spots will be open for whoever wins them. Right now I cant think of anything healthier than having Ledo, Galloway, Shved all competing for minutes next year in the rotation. All are different and bring different and good things. This group could be the start of a nice little pipeline. All three have shown signs of being good players. Its on them how good they become but there is some talent there.

Yeah I really want to see Ledo get on a legit conditioning program and work on his explosion and overall conditioning. He's not the most explosive guard. He's crafty and a kind of slick guy but doesn't overwhelm with great lift at the end of his drives. He has to use angles in order to get his layups off over defenders. He seems able to create enough space to get his shot off. I like that he looks to rebound and pass which is what we want from our guards. He can improve his defense but he seems like a willing defender, just needs to learn better technique and work on his lateral quickness. He looks kind of stiff in the hips.
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4/4/2015  9:21 PM
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Finestrg wrote:The kid's making some nice progress, getting more comfortable:

great post. You watch his skills, his size, his quickness... this is absolutely a player worth investing in. I would sign him rest of year with a partial guarantee like Galloway has. I think that would give us some early bird rights etc.. Especially if we draft a big I think the guard spots will be open for whoever wins them. Right now I cant think of anything healthier than having Ledo, Galloway, Shved all competing for minutes next year in the rotation. All are different and bring different and good things. This group could be the start of a nice little pipeline. All three have shown signs of being good players. Its on them how good they become but there is some talent there.

Yeah I really want to see Ledo get on a legit conditioning program and work on his explosion and overall conditioning. He's not the most explosive guard. He's crafty and a kind of slick guy but doesn't overwhelm with great lift at the end of his drives. He has to use angles in order to get his layups off over defenders. He seems able to create enough space to get his shot off. I like that he looks to rebound and pass which is what we want from our guards. He can improve his defense but he seems like a willing defender, just needs to learn better technique and work on his lateral quickness. He looks kind of stiff in the hips.

Isn't this the same kid that Briggs said was an absolute disgrace?

Looks pretty talented to me and he's not even in shape right now.

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4/4/2015  11:44 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Finestrg wrote:The kid's making some nice progress, getting more comfortable:

great post. You watch his skills, his size, his quickness... this is absolutely a player worth investing in. I would sign him rest of year with a partial guarantee like Galloway has. I think that would give us some early bird rights etc.. Especially if we draft a big I think the guard spots will be open for whoever wins them. Right now I cant think of anything healthier than having Ledo, Galloway, Shved all competing for minutes next year in the rotation. All are different and bring different and good things. This group could be the start of a nice little pipeline. All three have shown signs of being good players. Its on them how good they become but there is some talent there.

Yeah I really want to see Ledo get on a legit conditioning program and work on his explosion and overall conditioning. He's not the most explosive guard. He's crafty and a kind of slick guy but doesn't overwhelm with great lift at the end of his drives. He has to use angles in order to get his layups off over defenders. He seems able to create enough space to get his shot off. I like that he looks to rebound and pass which is what we want from our guards. He can improve his defense but he seems like a willing defender, just needs to learn better technique and work on his lateral quickness. He looks kind of stiff in the hips.

Isn't this the same kid that Briggs said was an absolute disgrace?

Looks pretty talented to me and he's not even in shape right now.


Yeah I thought Ledo had the talent and needed time to get adjusted and to get in better shape. He was pretty much jerked around until now. Hopefully he can really get his game going and in the summer work on his conditioning.
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4/4/2015  11:51 PM
nixluva wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Finestrg wrote:The kid's making some nice progress, getting more comfortable:

great post. You watch his skills, his size, his quickness... this is absolutely a player worth investing in. I would sign him rest of year with a partial guarantee like Galloway has. I think that would give us some early bird rights etc.. Especially if we draft a big I think the guard spots will be open for whoever wins them. Right now I cant think of anything healthier than having Ledo, Galloway, Shved all competing for minutes next year in the rotation. All are different and bring different and good things. This group could be the start of a nice little pipeline. All three have shown signs of being good players. Its on them how good they become but there is some talent there.

Yeah I really want to see Ledo get on a legit conditioning program and work on his explosion and overall conditioning. He's not the most explosive guard. He's crafty and a kind of slick guy but doesn't overwhelm with great lift at the end of his drives. He has to use angles in order to get his layups off over defenders. He seems able to create enough space to get his shot off. I like that he looks to rebound and pass which is what we want from our guards. He can improve his defense but he seems like a willing defender, just needs to learn better technique and work on his lateral quickness. He looks kind of stiff in the hips.

Isn't this the same kid that Briggs said was an absolute disgrace?

Looks pretty talented to me and he's not even in shape right now.


Yeah I thought Ledo had the talent and needed time to get adjusted and to get in better shape. He was pretty much jerked around until now. Hopefully he can really get his game going and in the summer work on his conditioning.
Ledo looked really bad during hs first ten day. Nix was the guy suggesting patience. He deserves credit here. If the Knicks end up with a 6'6 starting point in Shved and a 6'7 shooting guard in Ledo it would be pretty awesome. Also the Knicks have a lot of wings in play to move on draft night.
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4/6/2015  7:30 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Finestrg wrote:The kid's making some nice progress, getting more comfortable:

great post. You watch his skills, his size, his quickness... this is absolutely a player worth investing in. I would sign him rest of year with a partial guarantee like Galloway has. I think that would give us some early bird rights etc.. Especially if we draft a big I think the guard spots will be open for whoever wins them. Right now I cant think of anything healthier than having Ledo, Galloway, Shved all competing for minutes next year in the rotation. All are different and bring different and good things. This group could be the start of a nice little pipeline. All three have shown signs of being good players. Its on them how good they become but there is some talent there.

Yeah I really want to see Ledo get on a legit conditioning program and work on his explosion and overall conditioning. He's not the most explosive guard. He's crafty and a kind of slick guy but doesn't overwhelm with great lift at the end of his drives. He has to use angles in order to get his layups off over defenders. He seems able to create enough space to get his shot off. I like that he looks to rebound and pass which is what we want from our guards. He can improve his defense but he seems like a willing defender, just needs to learn better technique and work on his lateral quickness. He looks kind of stiff in the hips.

Isn't this the same kid that Briggs said was an absolute disgrace?

Looks pretty talented to me and he's not even in shape right now.

I posted a video of Ledo vs Wall back when they were seniors and Ledo clearly showed the skill set for the NBA. So it was obvious to me that Ledo was out of shape during his first 10 day contract. Plus his game and personal life wasn't as mature as it is now. I'm not surprised at his production, after doing some initial homework. But it also shows you how impatient knick fans can be with young prospects. Hopefully Ledo's production will help change that cultural defect with other young prospects, during this new rebuild era.

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4/6/2015  7:35 AM
smackeddog wrote:What I like about Shved, Ledo & Galloway is that they can fill up the box score with rebounds and assists- makes a nice change from Tim Jr.

What you are seeing is how Phil will build up this team. He will add players that can do multiple things on the floor. No more 1 trick players....2 way players, with multiple skill sets.

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4/6/2015  9:58 AM
the thing about ledo is that he fits perfectly into what we're trying to do offensively. he has great size for a 2guard, can shoot, can pass, can rebound.. these are exactly what pjax and fish are looking for. this kid has barely played minutes in the nba, so everyone piling on him about his first few games was a bit overboard to me. patience is what we're looking for in all young prospects and this kid was pretty highly touted coming out of high-school. im not saying he's going to turn into an amazing player but with the raw ability he has, i really do think all he needs is patience, good coaching, and obviously some confidence when he's out on the floor. no better time than this year than to give him all the run he can handle and see what we got and so far it looks like it's paying off.
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4/6/2015  11:11 AM
blkexec wrote:
smackeddog wrote:What I like about Shved, Ledo & Galloway is that they can fill up the box score with rebounds and assists- makes a nice change from Tim Jr.

What you are seeing is how Phil will build up this team. He will add players that can do multiple things on the floor. No more 1 trick players....2 way players, with multiple skill sets.

Yup! Phil is no fool and he has a "type" of player he prefers. It all backs up his statement that he wants players with "multiple skills". We know he believes in defense so I would expect that he'll continue to look for players who can play great D and also are team players. This franchise has needed a clear vision like this and I think Phil is better off after clearing out the roster and now he can formulate this roster with more of his kind of guys.

IMO this is a great opportunity for Ledo to be developed in a way that will make him a more well rounded player and one who can think the game and not just rely on his raw talent.

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4/8/2015  11:14 AM

Good for him. I think he's worth a longer look and hope he comes to Summer League as well.

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4/8/2015  11:18 AM
I look at Ledo, The Greek, and Early and it gives me hope for the future. These are the types that would never, ever, ever have got to the Knicks in years past. These are high upside players. Not saying they pan out but I like the idea of them being at the end of the bench as they have the potential to become more important than that
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