newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:fishmike you will keep repeating 28/7 as though the league looks the other way at his miserable playoff record, which remains among the worst if not the worst since he began his career. so he has suitors-- since when does the desire correlate with winning titles? it doesn't. but i have seen what he's done here in new york and if he lands with another team then that will be good for new york.

carmelo is incorrigible but there will always be some "neighborhood chick" who believes he is worth the trouble to turn into a winner.

jackson knows better which is why he wants to hold melo to the discount melo himself volunteered but is now reneging on. (do you like that he is reneging?) whatever he ends up being paid in new york it will still be too much.

Pretty sure the Bulls, Rockets, Mavs and Lakers looked the other way. But those are NBA cellar dwelling franchises who dont care about winning, just selling some tickets right? Dude one half of your brain literally makes up bullsh!t, the other half of your brain believes it.

Those teams have players better than Melo on the roster already.

Which means what? What does that have to do with retaining and adding talent? Please tell me who Melo is keeping us from adding or adding. Please tell me what strategy Melo is keeping you from executing. Honestly I want to hear your plan.

As you notice fish there isn't "championship" plan that comes along with losing Melo. The dump Melo crowd's hope is to get lucky in free agency just by having cap space or get lucky with a lottery pick or 2 just by being in the lottery. While the keep Melo crowd is looking to create an environment where free agents are eager to come to and to create an environment where young players no matter where they are drafted can contribute and build up value in a playoff atmosphere.

An unspoken possibility would be Melo getting resigned & Marc getting signed next yr. Make the playoffs and compete for the next 5 yrs. Then we have major cap space again. Since they have made the playoffs and competed for the last 5 yrs a big time free agent would now like to pair up with Melo and Gasol who could look at cheaper contracts as they are now at that age. Phil has also now over the yrs built up a strong pipeline of young talent allowing Melo & Gasol needed rest to stay healthy as well as a deep team. Melo and Gasol now become 2nd-3rd-4th options on a deep team.

Listening to Steve A. Smith early he also broke down that Melo and Lebron are extremely close and that Melo was supposed to be the 3rd cog in the Miami wheel ahead of Bosh. But Melo went for the extra yr in the contract against Lebron's wishes and Lebron has been throwing that in Melo's face for a while. So having Melo on the Knicks is one of the very very few paths that creates interest in Lebron wanting to come to the Knicks. As they will as some point in there careers look to play together.

lebron wants the max so where does that leave melo? truth time!

To take less money, if not then he will have to wait until he is on his last legs/contract which is possible.

second fiddle/beneficiary money should be 14 million at most-- remember what bosh and wade were willing to take in miami if the three were agreeing to team up again?

if lebron james came here to play with melo it means melo would have to accept making 10-14 million in salary. is homey gonna play dat?

cause it just might work!

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

I don't get the loyalty by so many towards Melo? If he leaves then what? Oh I'm sorry everybody you were right, Melo Anthony is a me first ASS clown. I'm excited to root for the Knicks as a team not 1 individual again etc

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

I don't get the loyalty by so many towards Melo? If he leaves then what? Oh I'm sorry everybody you were right, Melo Anthony is a me first ASS clown. I'm excited to root for the Knicks as a team not 1 individual again etc

Yea your right, not like there are valid explanations on how it would be beneficial to the Knicks or anything.

azamatbagatov wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

I don't get the loyalty by so many towards Melo? If he leaves then what? Oh I'm sorry everybody you were right, Melo Anthony is a me first ASS clown. I'm excited to root for the Knicks as a team not 1 individual again etc

I'm too am from the Herb Brooks school of the name on the front of the jersey means a hell of a lot more than the name on the back. I'd love for Melo to stay at a discount but if he goes, we'll survive. I trust Phil to take the right steps to get us to the glory land. Been a fan since Hubie, Bernie and Ernie, Ken the Animal, Louis Orr, Pat Cummimgs, etc. The ring is the thing at this point for me.

Agree 100%

Melo would be more tolerable to me if he shows an ounce of humility and takes less

azamatbagatov wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

Pardon me, the dick comment was a over the top. Just got off a flight with my 2 1/2 year old who cried the whole way through and threw up chunks on me twice. Everyone is a dick to me right now

On the cap space thing my point is teams that seek it as a goal generally do very poorly. I believe all the players in the big three came via trade. Tons of teams have it, and it only benefits a very few. Now I'm not saying overpay. But what does cap space accomplish if your letting marque talent walk? What did cap space yield us last time? If we stink no FAs are coming here. The goal should be to retain the guys who are playing well!!!!

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

I don't get the loyalty by so many towards Melo? If he leaves then what? Oh I'm sorry everybody you were right, Melo Anthony is a me first ASS clown. I'm excited to root for the Knicks as a team not 1 individual again etc

I'm too am from the Herb Brooks school of the name on the front of the jersey means a hell of a lot more than the name on the back. I'd love for Melo to stay at a discount but if he goes, we'll survive. I trust Phil to take the right steps to get us to the glory land. Been a fan since Hubie, Bernie and Ernie, Ken the Animal, Louis Orr, Pat Cummimgs, etc. The ring is the thing at this point for me.

Agree 100%

Melo would be more tolerable to me if he shows an ounce of humility and takes less

I too root for the name on the front. Which is exactly why I damn hope the Knicks resign Melo because it certainly seems sign and trade options are bleak.

If Amare was healthy and just gave us three years of 24/10 I would be saying the same things about him. But Amare isn't marquee talent anymore. He's broken. Melo is marquee talent. Not enough.... And that's phils challenge.

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

Pardon me, the dick comment was a over the top. Just got off a flight with my 2 1/2 year old who cried the whole way through and threw up chunks on me twice. Everyone is a dick to me right now

Haha that sucks and I have 3 little ones so I've been there. Whenever I hear screaming kid I never feel bad for the kids. Babies cry. It's the parents I feel for.

On the cap space thing my point is teams that seek it as a goal generally do very poorly. I believe all the players in the big three came via trade. Tons of teams have it, and it only benefits a very few. Now I'm not saying overpay. But what does cap space accomplish if your letting marque talent walk? What did cap space yield us last time? If we stink no FAs are coming here. The goal should be to retain the guys who are playing well!!!!

Yeah man, it was brutal. My wife is pregnant too so clean up duty was pretty much all me. Ugh.

I agree, I just don't think it would be as long or painful to get this built up again if he leaves. We have a high BB IQ guy in the front office now, if he walks and we end up with an extra pick or 2 or a decent young player in a S&T. We can get another star in here by trade or FA if we smartly accumulate assets. I trust Phil to make the best use of our assets to and know when to strike.

Just find it hard to hand out a 5 year $129mm deal to guy who is on the wrong side of his career. There is a good chance the will be another albatross contract for us. If this was 3 years ago, sure. Now after woody ran him into the ground, with 2 bad shoulders and not exactly being in chiseled shape like Lebron. A max deal here I think can really hurt us. For this to work he needs to come back at a discount. Nothing ridiculous like 3/30 like Dirk, but hopefully somewhere in between.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

I don't get the loyalty by so many towards Melo? If he leaves then what? Oh I'm sorry everybody you were right, Melo Anthony is a me first ASS clown. I'm excited to root for the Knicks as a team not 1 individual again etc

I'm too am from the Herb Brooks school of the name on the front of the jersey means a hell of a lot more than the name on the back. I'd love for Melo to stay at a discount but if he goes, we'll survive. I trust Phil to take the right steps to get us to the glory land. Been a fan since Hubie, Bernie and Ernie, Ken the Animal, Louis Orr, Pat Cummimgs, etc. The ring is the thing at this point for me.

Agree 100%

Melo would be more tolerable to me if he shows an ounce of humility and takes less

And at the end of the day the truth shows itself. Its not about basketball. It's about your feelings.

I too root for the name on the front. Which is exactly why I damn hope the Knicks resign Melo because it certainly seems sign and trade options are bleak.

If Amare was healthy and just gave us three years of 24/10 I would be saying the same things about him. But Amare isn't marquee talent anymore. He's broken. Melo is marquee talent. Not enough.... And that's phils challenge.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

fishmike wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Cap Flexibility isn't just used to sign free agents. You can combine it with assets (picks, young controllable players) to make a trade to bring a star player who wants off their current team as well as have cap space to sign free agents. It's not that black and white.

you mean like we could be able to take on Omar Asik for $14mm? That kind of flexibility? Paying for coveted talent doesnt hurt flexibility. Overpaying role players does.

I guess yea.. if we had cap space would could be players for Jeremy Lin right now also.

Im goood... Ill stick with bringing back the HOF guy and trusting my GM to improve the team.

Yeah, because clearly I was talking about bringing in guys like Asik at $14mm or Jeremy Lin at his ridiculous contract, as those are the only 2 players who will be available in trades over the next couple of years. Neither one of those guys can sniff "star player" status. No need to be a dick all of the time bro.

Cap flexibility and assets seemed to work for the celtics when they got KG and Allen by trade. My point is if he leaves, we will survive and might thrive with a competent basketball mind at the helm overseeing the operation instead of a jerkoff product of nepotism.

I don't get the loyalty by so many towards Melo? If he leaves then what? Oh I'm sorry everybody you were right, Melo Anthony is a me first ASS clown. I'm excited to root for the Knicks as a team not 1 individual again etc

I'm too am from the Herb Brooks school of the name on the front of the jersey means a hell of a lot more than the name on the back. I'd love for Melo to stay at a discount but if he goes, we'll survive. I trust Phil to take the right steps to get us to the glory land. Been a fan since Hubie, Bernie and Ernie, Ken the Animal, Louis Orr, Pat Cummimgs, etc. The ring is the thing at this point for me.

Agree 100%

Melo would be more tolerable to me if he shows an ounce of humility and takes less

And at the end of the day the truth shows itself. Its not about basketball. It's about your feelings.

I too root for the name on the front. Which is exactly why I damn hope the Knicks resign Melo because it certainly seems sign and trade options are bleak.

If Amare was healthy and just gave us three years of 24/10 I would be saying the same things about him. But Amare isn't marquee talent anymore. He's broken. Melo is marquee talent. Not enough.... And that's phils challenge.

it helps us field a better team and have more flexibility nevermind the emotional aspect. Its about doing whats best for the Knicks not Melo. Melo at $30, bum shoulders, going into his 12th year is in no way shape or form beneficial to the Knicks. Even if he takes $22-26mil at least save some face. You do not want the distinction of being the biggest playoff loser in nba history which he is right now and being the nba's top paid player to boot. The nba's biggest target of ridicule. Heck at least A-Rod is considered an alltime great steriod or no steriod, Melo can't even make all nba never mind all nba first team but sure let's through $30mil per his way at 35!