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GustavBahler
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6/15/2014  4:12 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:If Melo does leave, I would hope we could do a sign and trade for Noah and picks. Noah would give this team a much needed spine. Noah isn't a superstar but I do believe he would help draw elite players to NY.

They wont be giving up Noah, just can end that dream now.

Stranger things have happened. I would be damned impressed if Phil could pull it off.

really? I think you can count that out. I will argue that noah is a better basketball player than carmelo. The bulls would be nuts to do such a thing...

I would argue that you have an all consuming fetish.

yes I do, I am consumed with good basketball players. I am consumed with watching great ball, I am consumed with getting trash off my team, losers.. yes I have a fetish for greatness.... I have a fetish for players who play hard, with integrity. I have a fetish with wanting them on my team instead of selfish bums.. YES, I have an all consuming fetish for greatness!!!

Lol, you get an A for effort. Some day we will talk about another player, any player, a coach, the scorekeeper, not your fetish.

I have a fetish for spotting unrealistic post.. like getting noah for carmelo....I would love to talk about something else, but post like these keep rearing it's ugly head.. go figure..

Ugly is trying to derail thread after thread over a fetish. Is it realistic trade? Probably not considering the Bull's plans for Noah, but you couldn't even shoot the idea down without going off on a tangent about Melo. You couldn't even talk about something else for more than a sentence. Its why I have been asking you to find something else to talk about. If you don't want to, there are plenty of other posters who will oblige you. Enjoy.

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6/15/2014  4:30 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.
I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd back, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.


I think if you take morey's poison pill deals he needs to give a lot back. My preference is for him to be stuck with those two contracts.

We shouldn't be worried about what how much other teams' are paying their players. The only thing we should be looking into is what puts us in the best position to compete for a championship. Trying to "punish" other teams for what the deals they made with us is counterproductive to the only thing that matters.


Do you think Lin and asik put the Knicks in position to win a championship? Or are you suggesting the additional compensation to take on their deals does that?

Of course not. But considering we are getting these players back in a deal for Carmelo then next year is certainly NOT one in which we are even pretending to be playing for a championship. More importantly, Asik and Lin's salary drops off our cap in the year when the Knicks CAN put together a good team (2015) when well have a high lotto pick plus the space for 2 max FA's.

Getting back cap relief and picks is great if were dealing Melo. All that being said I'd rather send him to Chicago as Boozer and their picks is preferable and we still get a nice chunk of expiring contracts and better picks than what HOU has to offer.

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6/15/2014  4:47 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.
I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd back, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.


I think if you take morey's poison pill deals he needs to give a lot back. My preference is for him to be stuck with those two contracts.

We shouldn't be worried about what how much other teams' are paying their players. The only thing we should be looking into is what puts us in the best position to compete for a championship. Trying to "punish" other teams for what the deals they made with us is counterproductive to the only thing that matters.


Do you think Lin and asik put the Knicks in position to win a championship? Or are you suggesting the additional compensation to take on their deals does that?

Of course not. But considering we are getting these players back in a deal for Carmelo then next year is certainly NOT one in which we are even pretending to be playing for a championship. More importantly, Asik and Lin's salary drops off our cap in the year when the Knicks CAN put together a good team (2015) when well have a high lotto pick plus the space for 2 max FA's.

Getting back cap relief and picks is great if were dealing Melo. All that being said I'd rather send him to Chicago as Boozer and their picks is preferable and we still get a nice chunk of expiring contracts and better picks than what HOU has to offer.

Exactly. Outside of Lebron opting out and signing with us for the MLE there's nothing that could happen that would make us a title contender next year. So, any moves we make this Summer should be with the intention of being great 2, 5, 10 years down the line. There's also the fact that the salaries are going to have to match so any deal with Houston is going to have to include Asik and Lin (unless Houston plans on giving us Harden or Dwight).

I'd also rather deal with Chicago; I agree that we should be able to get a better package from them than we can from Houston.

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6/15/2014  5:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2014  5:23 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
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fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.

What do you define as a superstar? Because by any conventional definition, THJr doesn't even come close. Beyond that, why would KG forego $12 million to join a lottery team? Why would Minnesota be dumb enough to let Kevin Love walk for nothing? And if we can't get him, why would Marc Gasol join a lottery team? How did Kawhi Leonard magically get onto our team and why would he leave a better team/organization for us? He's going to get paid either way, so why not pick the option with the bigger annual raises? None of what you've said makes sense.

Kg? Mkg (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)who is on the hornets who has a team option after next season who we could prob get for jr smith. After next year Kevin love is a Ufa,as well as Marc gasol Ufa, kawhi Leonard has a player option of 4 mil after next season which he will surly opt out of for more money. Why would Leonard stay for 4 mil when he can get more then 8 per on the open market. None of what you replied to makes sense. Do your research. All the player I spoke of can be had in 2015 pending contract extensions.

as far as thjr goes sky is the limit for a kid that can score from anywhere on the floor weather it's creating his own, driving, or hitting the open spot up j also our best transition scorer. I expect his defense to be better next year . Thjr drastically improved by the end of this past season averaged one steal a game last month of the season and overall better defense as well..

There was a space between "m" and "kg" in your initial response, which lead me to believe that the "m" was a typo especially when you consider that "m" is adjacent to the comma on a QWERTY keyboard. It's why I presumed that you were referring to Kevin Garnett who is widely recognized as being "KG". In any case, I still think that none of what you suggested makes sense.

Why would a young team like the Bobcats want to acquire a potential destabilizer like JR Smith? We are all familiar with his antics last year and that was on a veteran team, where guys could check him. Imagine how bad it would get with no peers there to hold him accountable. They certainly need floor spacers but I don't think it'd be JR, especially for an asset like Michael Kidd Gilchrist. Yes, MKG can't shoot but you're also forgetting all the good things he CAN do in spite of that. There is a reason why he starts as a 20 year old and was picked 2nd his draft.

Yes, Kevin Love is an unrestricted free agent next year but the Timberwolves are not dumb enough to allow him to be on the team at that point. He WILL be traded this offseason or at the deadline. That much is guaranteed. And since we don't have the assets to outdo the competitors for his services, expect for him to NOT become a Knick. After all, no one is going to trade for him without him wanting to re-sign with them. And if there is no Kevin Love, there will be no Marc Gasol. And if there is no Marc Gasol, there damn sure isn't going to be Kawhi Leonard who will be a restricted free agent. The Spurs will not let the guy they regard as "the future face of the franchise" go, just because you want him.

As far as THJr, he'll likely join the litany of yesteryear's talent that people like you have grossly overestimated. Channing Frye was suppose to be Rasheed Wallace. Trevor Ariza was suppose to be Tracy McGrady. Mike Sweetney was suppose to be Elton Brand. Ronaldo Balkman was suppose to be Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace. Danilo Gallinari was suppose to be Dirk Nowitzki/Toni Kukoc. Iman Shumpert was suppose to be "Michael Jordan lite"/Dwayne Wade/Latrell Sprewell. You would think after being wrong so many times as a fan base that we'd begin to temper our expectations. The reality is that THJr is little more than a one trick pony. He's an excellent (albeit streaky) jump shooter, which allows him to drive the ball effectively when opponents try to close out on him. Outside of that, he brings nothing to the game and is a liability on both the defensive end and the boards. The fact is that his carbon copy exists in OKC, as we speak, and his name is Jeremy Lamb aka Mr. I couldn't get minutes of Derek Fisher's ghost. Teams will have figured him out by next year and when that happens, expect to be rudely awakened.

I actually like Hardaway though and think he might accidentally find himself in an all-star game someday (ala Paul Millsap) but he's no otherworldly talent. I doubt he'll be much better than a 3rd wheel on a contender and will likely top out as this generation's Kevin Martin (which is nothing to scoff at). That is certainly no mark of a superstar (e.g. Durant and LeBron), let alone a star.

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6/15/2014  5:08 PM
I find it interesting that so many posters think that the team trying to clear space has to trade with NY to do it. Houston can easily trade Asik for some non-guaranteed contracts and a/some 2nd rounders or future picks. Then trade Lin with a 1st for the same. Does anyone think a team like Charlotte or Milwaukee would turn down either one of those guys. Charlotte with Asik cover up Jefferson lack of D or just coming off the bench. Then Lin could easily start for the Bucks and bring fans to the stadium. All the second rd picks the bucks have will make a trade easy. Through on top of that Houston getting two big trade exceptions. Morey is not dumb. He is trying to build a team and have options. You can see that by what they did with Parsons. So, they can, imo, easily get Melo, sign Parsons, add some 2nd rd. picks, and create a TPE if they don't deal with NY.
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6/15/2014  5:14 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Just a fyi as far as points scored per thjr had better stats then Paul George his rookie year of 7.8 and will prob crush his stats on sophomore year Paul George averaged 12 per. And now what would you call Paul George a star on the rise? But a more comparable rookie season player is demar derozan he only averaged 8.6 and Timmy is a high flyer like derozan with a better shot. And what would you call derozan... When espn re did the draft mid way through the season. Thjr was going #2 to #5 in the re do draft. And with more playing time next year, esp with melo gone I'm guessing he gets around 30 plus around 17 per one steal 2 to 3 rebounds a game at 23 years of age. 24 2015 I'm thinking 22 per dominate offensive player for the team with other top tier players on the team. I feel we have to move jr to give this kid more minutes.

Kwame Brown's first 5 seasons were identical to Jermaine O'Neal's right before the latter had his break out season. Do you see how slippery a slope it can be to compare two players in this fashion? Even I've fallen victim to it (with the particular example I just used) and I'm as pessimistic as they come. The reality is that Kevin Martin might be the best case scenario for Tim Hardaway Jr and that is presuming that he does not suffer any setbacks, which seem inevitable when you're a Knick draft pick under Dolan.

Also fyi, 22ppg is not "dominant".

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6/15/2014  5:18 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:
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fitzfarm wrote:
VCoug wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.
I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd backs, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

even though Lin has the poison pill next year. he's a Ufa in 2015 so why do we care if we pay him 8 mil for a rebuild year or melo 23 mil... Lin would fill the seats in the garden in a rebuild year.

8 mil on the cap, 15 mil total for a guy Houston is desperate to move for cap space. MSG sells out no matter what. I think the Knicks need to stay away from Houston. Also, I don't think other gms are fond of morey. I think if the Knicks don't take Lin morey is stuck with him. He might be able to move asik.
? Why 15 mil wouldn't it be just 8 ? I don't know?
He is owed 15 but it counts as 8 mil on the cap. It is a loophole for teams below the cap. Lin counted on the rockets cap for the average, 8 mil, because they were under the cap. Year 3 is the 15 mil year for both asik and Lin.

So how does that work via trade? Does a Lin-Asik package count as $30 million in aggregated salary or $16 million?

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6/15/2014  5:32 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
VCoug wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.
I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd backs, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

even though Lin has the poison pill next year. he's a Ufa in 2015 so why do we care if we pay him 8 mil for a rebuild year or melo 23 mil... Lin would fill the seats in the garden in a rebuild year.

8 mil on the cap, 15 mil total for a guy Houston is desperate to move for cap space. MSG sells out no matter what. I think the Knicks need to stay away from Houston. Also, I don't think other gms are fond of morey. I think if the Knicks don't take Lin morey is stuck with him. He might be able to move asik.
? Why 15 mil wouldn't it be just 8 ? I don't know?
He is owed 15 but it counts as 8 mil on the cap. It is a loophole for teams below the cap. Lin counted on the rockets cap for the average, 8 mil, because they were under the cap. Year 3 is the 15 mil year for both asik and Lin.

So how does that work via trade? Does a Lin-Asik package count as $30 million in aggregated salary or $16 million?

That's a good question. I remember reading last year that there were weird restrictions if Houston was going to trade the two of them.

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6/15/2014  5:41 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
VCoug wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
VCoug wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.
I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd back, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.


I think if you take morey's poison pill deals he needs to give a lot back. My preference is for him to be stuck with those two contracts.

We shouldn't be worried about what how much other teams' are paying their players. The only thing we should be looking into is what puts us in the best position to compete for a championship. Trying to "punish" other teams for what the deals they made with us is counterproductive to the only thing that matters.


Do you think Lin and asik put the Knicks in position to win a championship? Or are you suggesting the additional compensation to take on their deals does that?

You mentioned the word championship? You're talking about a .400 team. That word should be banned for the next 3 years
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6/15/2014  5:43 PM
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
VCoug wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.
I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd backs, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

even though Lin has the poison pill next year. he's a Ufa in 2015 so why do we care if we pay him 8 mil for a rebuild year or melo 23 mil... Lin would fill the seats in the garden in a rebuild year.

8 mil on the cap, 15 mil total for a guy Houston is desperate to move for cap space. MSG sells out no matter what. I think the Knicks need to stay away from Houston. Also, I don't think other gms are fond of morey. I think if the Knicks don't take Lin morey is stuck with him. He might be able to move asik.
? Why 15 mil wouldn't it be just 8 ? I don't know?
He is owed 15 but it counts as 8 mil on the cap. It is a loophole for teams below the cap. Lin counted on the rockets cap for the average, 8 mil, because they were under the cap. Year 3 is the 15 mil year for both asik and Lin.

So how does that work via trade? Does a Lin-Asik package count as $30 million in aggregated salary or $16 million?

That's a good question. I remember reading last year that there were weird restrictions if Houston was going to trade the two of them.

I heard about those weird restrictions to, which makes things so confusing. I suppose if they get traded on draft night, we wouldn't have to worry about those restrictions since they will still be operating under the 2013-2014 payroll. I feel like we should like to make a move on both players, regardless of whether we move Melo on draft night or afterthefact.

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6/15/2014  5:58 PM
Melo fo Asik, Lin, Parson and picks. Make this happen Big Chief Triangle!
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6/15/2014  8:45 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:Just a fyi as far as points scored per thjr had better stats then Paul George his rookie year of 7.8 and will prob crush his stats on sophomore year Paul George averaged 12 per. And now what would you call Paul George a star on the rise? But a more comparable rookie season player is demar derozan he only averaged 8.6 and Timmy is a high flyer like derozan with a better shot. And what would you call derozan... When espn re did the draft mid way through the season. Thjr was going #2 to #5 in the re do draft. And with more playing time next year, esp with melo gone I'm guessing he gets around 30 plus around 17 per one steal 2 to 3 rebounds a game at 23 years of age. 24 2015 I'm thinking 22 per dominate offensive player for the team with other top tier players on the team. I feel we have to move jr to give this kid more minutes.

Kwame Brown's first 5 seasons were identical to Jermaine O'Neal's right before the latter had his break out season. Do you see how slippery a slope it can be to compare two players in this fashion? Even I've fallen victim to it (with the particular example I just used) and I'm as pessimistic as they come. The reality is that Kevin Martin might be the best case scenario for Tim Hardaway Jr and that is presuming that he does not suffer any setbacks, which seem inevitable when you're a Knick draft pick under Dolan.

Also fyi, 22ppg is not "dominant".


To say thjr might become Kevin Martin is a insult to thjr... He's a 5 way scorer he can create his own shot,spot up,drive,and score in transition,and get to the free throw with ease he's by far the most exciting rookie the Knicks have had since mark Jackson.

FYI I was never cared for Gallo,shump,fields,sweetney,Ariza,Balkmon,though Gallo,shump,Ariza turned into ok players none have the upside that thjr has.

Do I think thjr will turn into the next Lebron no not one bit. But do I see a Reggie miller type all star in the making yes and if you look at there rookie stats they are very similar there skill sets are very similar Reggie was a better defender but he didn't have the athletic ability to get to the hoop like thjr dose. Let's not forget thjr can soar as well.

Also jermaine oneal was buried on a loaded portland bench for his first five years and played in garbage minutes hence his comparability to k brown.

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6/15/2014  8:53 PM
As for the hornets trading for jr smith for mkg makes a lot of seance for Charlotte .. They had a real problem scoring from the outside and a back court of jr and walker is dangerous.also Henderson played better at times in the sf position.hence why mkg lost the starting job this year . put together the threat of walker&Jr on the outside with Jefferson in the middle. That team can at least make it past the first round. Also it benefits us because mkg is a free agent after next season. I don't think we would pick up the team option on mkg he's been a pretty big disappointment just as big as shump if not bigger.
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6/15/2014  8:57 PM
Also Jordan might be just as bad as Dolan as far as owners go
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6/15/2014  10:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2014  10:28 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
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fitzfarm wrote:Just a fyi as far as points scored per thjr had better stats then Paul George his rookie year of 7.8 and will prob crush his stats on sophomore year Paul George averaged 12 per. And now what would you call Paul George a star on the rise? But a more comparable rookie season player is demar derozan he only averaged 8.6 and Timmy is a high flyer like derozan with a better shot. And what would you call derozan... When espn re did the draft mid way through the season. Thjr was going #2 to #5 in the re do draft. And with more playing time next year, esp with melo gone I'm guessing he gets around 30 plus around 17 per one steal 2 to 3 rebounds a game at 23 years of age. 24 2015 I'm thinking 22 per dominate offensive player for the team with other top tier players on the team. I feel we have to move jr to give this kid more minutes.

Kwame Brown's first 5 seasons were identical to Jermaine O'Neal's right before the latter had his break out season. Do you see how slippery a slope it can be to compare two players in this fashion? Even I've fallen victim to it (with the particular example I just used) and I'm as pessimistic as they come. The reality is that Kevin Martin might be the best case scenario for Tim Hardaway Jr and that is presuming that he does not suffer any setbacks, which seem inevitable when you're a Knick draft pick under Dolan.

Also fyi, 22ppg is not "dominant".


To say thjr might become Kevin Martin is a insult to thjr... He's a 5 way scorer he can create his own shot,spot up,drive,and score in transition,and get to the free throw with ease he's by far the most exciting rookie the Knicks have had since mark Jackson.

FYI I was never cared for Gallo,shump,fields,sweetney,Ariza,Balkmon,though Gallo,shump,Ariza turned into ok players none have the upside that thjr has.

Do I think thjr will turn into the next Lebron no not one bit. But do I see a Reggie miller type all star in the making yes and if you look at there rookie stats they are very similar there skill sets are very similar Reggie was a better defender but he didn't have the athletic ability to get to the hoop like thjr dose. Let's not forget thjr can soar as well.

Also jermaine oneal was buried on a loaded portland bench for his first five years and played in garbage minutes hence his comparability to k brown.

Both Kevin Martin and THJr are 6"7', wirey shooting guards. Both men are effective at shooting the long ball, using it as a means to create driving lanes for themselves and teammates. Both men are effective in moving without the ball. Both men are subpar defenders. Both men are subpar rebounders given their height and athleticism. Both men were even drafted in the mid-20's. I'm not sure why THJr would be insulted by the comparison considering the numerous similarities they share. But one thing is for sure: neither guy can touch Reggie Miller's career. You'll quickly realize that when teams start gameplanning for Tim next season and give him no daylight. Let's be serious for a second, the guy went 23rd in a ****ty draft for a reason.

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6/15/2014  10:39 PM
fitzfarm wrote:As for the hornets trading for jr smith for mkg makes a lot of seance for Charlotte .. They had a real problem scoring from the outside and a back court of jr and walker is dangerous.also Henderson played better at times in the sf position.hence why mkg lost the starting job this year . put together the threat of walker&Jr on the outside with Jefferson in the middle. That team can at least make it past the first round. Also it benefits us because mkg is a free agent after next season. I don't think we would pick up the team option on mkg he's been a pretty big disappointment just as big as shump if not bigger.

....and JR had "a real problem scoring from outside" last season, so I'm not sure why they'd give up assets for him. Your trade simply doesn't make any sense. Yes, Gerald Henderson got some starts at the 3 but that was because MKG was injured and not because of some failings on MKG's part. The fact is that MKG played in 62 games and started all 62. You're not getting a talent like that for JR Smith and you're certainly not advancing to the 2nd round because of JR Smith. If he were that good, the Knicks would've comfortably made the playoffs.

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6/15/2014  10:40 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Also Jordan might be just as bad as Dolan as far as owners go

That's complete nonsense. When Jordan trades away all of his lottery picks and spends +$100 million on a loser, let me know.

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6/15/2014  10:59 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:As for the hornets trading for jr smith for mkg makes a lot of seance for Charlotte .. They had a real problem scoring from the outside and a back court of jr and walker is dangerous.also Henderson played better at times in the sf position.hence why mkg lost the starting job this year . put together the threat of walker&Jr on the outside with Jefferson in the middle. That team can at least make it past the first round. Also it benefits us because mkg is a free agent after next season. I don't think we would pick up the team option on mkg he's been a pretty big disappointment just as big as shump if not bigger.

....and JR had "a real problem scoring from outside" last season, so I'm not sure why they'd give up assets for him. Your trade simply doesn't make any sense. Yes, Gerald Henderson got some starts at the 3 but that was because MKG was injured and not because of some failings on MKG's part. The fact is that MKG played in 62 games and started all 62. You're not getting a talent like that for JR Smith and you're certainly not advancing to the 2nd round because of JR Smith. If he were that good, the Knicks would've comfortably made the playoffs.

you know jr shot close to 38% from 3. MKG is like another Al Farouq-Amino, neither one can shoot. Okay you two continue.

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6/15/2014  11:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2014  11:09 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:As for the hornets trading for jr smith for mkg makes a lot of seance for Charlotte .. They had a real problem scoring from the outside and a back court of jr and walker is dangerous.also Henderson played better at times in the sf position.hence why mkg lost the starting job this year . put together the threat of walker&Jr on the outside with Jefferson in the middle. That team can at least make it past the first round. Also it benefits us because mkg is a free agent after next season. I don't think we would pick up the team option on mkg he's been a pretty big disappointment just as big as shump if not bigger.

....and JR had "a real problem scoring from outside" last season, so I'm not sure why they'd give up assets for him. Your trade simply doesn't make any sense. Yes, Gerald Henderson got some starts at the 3 but that was because MKG was injured and not because of some failings on MKG's part. The fact is that MKG played in 62 games and started all 62. You're not getting a talent like that for JR Smith and you're certainly not advancing to the 2nd round because of JR Smith. If he were that good, the Knicks would've comfortably made the playoffs.

you know jr shot close to 38% from 3. MKG is like another Al Farouq-Amino, neither one can shoot. Okay you two continue.

WRONG! He shot 39.4% from 3. What a moron! LMAO. On a serious note, I don't know why I was under the impression that he had a down year in that regard.

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6/15/2014  11:19 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:As for the hornets trading for jr smith for mkg makes a lot of seance for Charlotte .. They had a real problem scoring from the outside and a back court of jr and walker is dangerous.also Henderson played better at times in the sf position.hence why mkg lost the starting job this year . put together the threat of walker&Jr on the outside with Jefferson in the middle. That team can at least make it past the first round. Also it benefits us because mkg is a free agent after next season. I don't think we would pick up the team option on mkg he's been a pretty big disappointment just as big as shump if not bigger.

....and JR had "a real problem scoring from outside" last season, so I'm not sure why they'd give up assets for him. Your trade simply doesn't make any sense. Yes, Gerald Henderson got some starts at the 3 but that was because MKG was injured and not because of some failings on MKG's part. The fact is that MKG played in 62 games and started all 62. You're not getting a talent like that for JR Smith and you're certainly not advancing to the 2nd round because of JR Smith. If he were that good, the Knicks would've comfortably made the playoffs.

you know jr shot close to 38% from 3. MKG is like another Al Farouq-Amino, neither one can shoot. Okay you two continue.

WRONG! He shot 39.4% from 3. What a moron! LMAO. On a serious note, I don't know why I was under the impression that he had a down year in that regard.

Hey, I thought the same thing throughout the season until I glanced at his numbers and was surprised.

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