CrushAlot wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i think holfresh needs to be banned for that pic.

That is brutal. What if you leave images on at work by mistake and that comes up.

Too late. I'm fired

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

If anything, here's the message: culture gonna change, front office and coach on same page, players are next. The base seems to be solid enough

.???...Culture change?.??..Are you kidding ?...Money grab my friend...No change there ...

the players are constrained by a salary cap.

that's apples.

the front office personnel are not constrained by a salary cap.

that's oranges.

if dolan wants to spend money on gm's and coaches it has zero to do with carmelo anthony's salary. if carmelo wishes to see this as apples to apples then he is even more of a moron and douchebag than i already suspect him to be.

you want to imply hypocrisy and double standards to a scenario that does not admit them, and all to justify melo getting paid max money when he clearly doesn't deserve it and it would also hurt the team from doing what it needs to do.

lighten up-- why are you afraid of the knicks moving in the right direction after the owner has admitted he did not know what he was doing all this time? you think he is getting played?

lastly, jackson himself said in so many words that whether melo stays or goes is not as important as the team moving according to a long term plan. it's melo's choice if he wants to participate and seeing what phil and kerr earn should not factor into that decision.

Eff your salary cap.

the players get paid money. Lots of it. Maybe melo's worth it, maybe he's not. That's apples.

The HOF Coach GM with no experience and the coach to be with no experience get paid money. That's apples.

The untried GM with all the rings gets to tell players to honor their word and take less money.
The untried coach gets to ask for half of what the untried GM is making. Nice. My boss makes 60, I should make 30. Based on what? Height in shoes?

It's called greed on either side of the lines.

Funny, this cap space line argument being used in UK land where all the occupants are so ready to jump up ugly on the "plantation" mentality on other issues.

Melo gets to test free agency after going to the playoffs for over a decade, and he's a greedy douchebag, oblivious and a moron.

The geniuses in the new front office with no experience doing their new jobs get to grab whatever price they can name in the name of culture change, and they're instantly relevant and market savvy, with high BB IQ's.

And other than greed, the only common denominator is our owner happens to retain his idiot troll status.

don't worry-- melo is not staying here with this bunch of greedy losers. after all what do 18 rings between the president and the gm really amount to anyway?

jackson can't coach so he will do the next best thing which is have somebody he can rely upon to carry out the institution of system basketball, the triangle offense. kerr played under jackson and alongside mike jordan. kerr played under popovich and alongside tim duncan.

he has zero pedigree because he was basically a sieve, retaining nothing of those experiences and is unable to transmit with any efficiency the precepts he never absorbed.

will you continue watching the knicks when melo walks?

Rings. Kerr's rings. That's funny. How's Tyson's ring working out for you? Kidd's ring? What exactly did IT's two rings get you?
Russell had 11 rings and couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Horry's got lotsa rings, and so does Worm. Why don't you give them a shot to coach?

He has zero pedigree because he hasn't coached your pickup team, let alone an NBA squad. Or doesn't that bother you?

You don't see the stupid incoherence of holding up a player as a greedy idiot and giving a neophyte GM/announcer a pass for requesting 30 million balloons to do a job he's never had at any level.

Again, I watched the knicks before you were out of pampers. Do you have fond memories of Louie Orr? Did you watch Greg Butler? Did you thrill to the fabulous moves of Ken the Animal Bannister? Yes, I will continue to watch (or listen to) the knicks if melo walks because I'm a knicks fan. I will continue to watch the knicks if Kerr coaches for $30 mill per game. I will continue to watch the knicks if they get renamed the Dolans.

Will you continue to whine like a hyena with PMS if melo signs? For less than a greedy loser would, even?

tyson is still playing. he won one ring so he has had some exposure to a culture that knows what it takes to win. kidd the same having won one ring and reaching two finals or is it three-- he's in the second round as a rookie coach. horry and rodman are misdirection rhetoric so no use in bringing them up, you tiresome dipshyte you.

you have never seen a title knick squad or you wouldn't carry on like a blood clot... of that i am certain.

The only thing you can be certain of is that one of your main purposes on this board is to be wrong. I watched the second of the two title teams play, as well as all those forgettable squads since. You see, for some of us, fandom is not tied to the team's outcomes. But you don't, or can't get that.

No matter; prattle on, son.

As to whatever your other points refer to, one of your other purposes here is to be the board poster child for incoherence.

it ain't my money

misterearl wrote:fishmike. Does rookie coach Steve Kerr deserve a five year contract?

it ain't my money

The funny thing about these jobs is they cant be quanitfied with experience. Each situation is unique and different from the last. Its about finding the right fit, and there isnt a huge gap between pay scales.

To me a cheap first time 3 year coaching deal tells the players the FO doesnt believe in this guy, they are wishy washy. Kerr doesnt need to be paid like Larry Brown, but if he's the first choice then yea... 5 years makes sense to me

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Brad Stevens got 6 years.

Brad Steven had 12 years of coaching experience before the Celtics..A proven winner at the college level and is making about 3.6 per...

Of course he did. He coached kids at a mid major. Kerr played for years in the NBA in winning environments.

Information is plentiful but knowledge is a valuable comodity. Stevens is learning the NBA and Kerr needs to sit in the coach's seat.

Forget the money, is there a problem that you might have with Kerr?

Its not like Knicks grabbing someone with no NBA experience. NBA has a history of some very successful coaches who had no experience.

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:fishmike. Does rookie coach Steve Kerr deserve a five year contract?

it ain't my money

does anybody? I mean we brought in Phil. He's here to built it his way with his guys. Kerr has been a GM and around the league. This is a guy Phil has had a relationship with for years, so I have no reservations about personality issues. Kerr has experience leading an NBA franchise.

The funny thing about these jobs is they cant be quanitfied with experience. Each situation is unique and different from the last. Its about finding the right fit, and there isnt a huge gap between pay scales.

To me a cheap first time 3 year coaching deal tells the players the FO doesnt believe in this guy, they are wishy washy. Kerr doesnt need to be paid like Larry Brown, but if he's the first choice then yea... 5 years makes sense to me

Exactly I said that the other day. You get what you pay for. You can always rehire Michael Woodson for 1/8th the price!

misterearl wrote:fishmike. Does rookie coach Steve Kerr deserve a five year contract?

it ain't my money

If Rookie Coach Kerr sucks we can fire him. It's not my money and it doesn't count against the cap.

Why people are so worried about Dolan's money boggles my mind.

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Brad Stevens got 6 years.

Brad Steven had 12 years of coaching experience before the Celtics..A proven winner at the college level and is making about 3.6 per...

Of course he did. He coached kids at a mid major. Kerr played for years in the NBA in winning environments.

Information is plentiful but knowledge is a valuable comodity. Stevens is learning the NBA and Kerr needs to sit in the coach's seat.

Forget the money, is there a problem that you might have with Kerr?

Its not like Knicks grabbing someone with no NBA experience. NBA has a history of some very successful coaches who had no experience.

Kerr has no NBA coaching experience...But here is the thing...I could be wrong but to me, Phil's value was his ability to communicate and lead...It wasn't his system...I think the Knicks and this organization needs this badly, leadership...So yes, I too want Phil here...Have to highlight that because some don't believe it..Problem is Phil system has not worked in the NBA other than when Phil was on the sidelines...His assistants have all failed as head coaches...Phil seems to be only looking at coaches that he wants to implement his system and control..Well, Phil is only looking at one coach...Isn't Zen synonymous with enlightenment, far reaching, outside the box ideas...Is Phil working on his legacy and his coaching tree??..

Does Kerr strike you as a guy working another coaching gig after this??..He has been away from playing ball a long time ago, why hasn't he pursued coaching before..So now he may get the gig, he wants top dollar like Popovich??..The only reason he is even considered to be paid that is because Phil Jackson is in the front office...Doesn't strike you as a money grab and he may not be in this for the right reasons??..Does this team, this organization, need more guys coming in, tooling it???

no that is not what zen means

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:fishmike. Does rookie coach Steve Kerr deserve a five year contract?

it ain't my money

If Rookie Coach Kerr sucks we can fire him. It's not my money and it doesn't count against the cap.

Why people are so worried about Dolan's money boggles my mind.

I think it has much further reaching implications than just Dolan's money...If Kerr get paid lumpy and he bombs...It will be solidfied that Dolan is a complete buffoon...Players and further (good) head coaches won't take this organization seriously..It will be a destination just to get paid..So we will continue to overpay to get anyone good to come here...

I was happy when Dolan balked at overpaying for Lowry...I said at the time, yes we need him but you have to draw the line somewhere..You can't get steam rolled in every deal...You won't ever be able to make good deals in your favor going forward...

I understand what you're saying, I just think hiring any coach is going to be a gamble. As for whether this is all a money grab for Phil and his friends, I just dont see that either. Phil has what 11 rings? I dont think he's the type who wants the perception of a bombing tenure that is viewed as a greedy money grab as Knicks President to be the capstone on his storied career. Ya know? I think he's here for the right reasons and if Kerr is his guy then Kerr is his guy and I hope it works out because he obviously is gung ho about this decision with virtually no other candidates seriously considered.

And if Phil does bomb as Knicks president then we go back to being a place people come to get paid by dumbazz Dolan. We already have that perception and stigma, hence why the "Phil and Friends are here on a money grab" is already a working theory. The Knicks franchise has been a running joke for the past decade.

Im just going to blindy trust Phil until he proves to be incompetent. What else can I do after the Knicks have repeatedly broken my heart year after year.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Brad Stevens got 6 years.

Brad Steven had 12 years of coaching experience before the Celtics..A proven winner at the college level and is making about 3.6 per...

Of course he did. He coached kids at a mid major. Kerr played for years in the NBA in winning environments.

Information is plentiful but knowledge is a valuable comodity. Stevens is learning the NBA and Kerr needs to sit in the coach's seat.

Forget the money, is there a problem that you might have with Kerr?

Its not like Knicks grabbing someone with no NBA experience. NBA has a history of some very successful coaches who had no experience.

Kerr has no NBA coaching experience...But here is the thing...I could be wrong but to me, Phil's value was his ability to communicate and lead...It wasn't his system...I think the Knicks and this organization needs this badly, leadership...So yes, I too want Phil here...Have to highlight that because some don't believe it..Problem is Phil system has not worked in the NBA other than when Phil was on the sidelines...His assistants have all failed as head coaches...Phil seems to be only looking at coaches that he wants to implement his system and control..Well, Phil is only looking at one coach...Isn't Zen synonymous with enlightenment, far reaching, outside the box ideas...Is Phil working on his legacy and his coaching tree??..

Does Kerr strike you as a guy working another coaching gig after this??..He has been away from playing ball a long time ago, why hasn't he pursued coaching before..So now he may get the gig, he wants top dollar like Popovich??..The only reason he is even considered to be paid that is because Phil Jackson is in the front office...Doesn't strike you as a money grab and he may not be in this for the right reasons??..Does this team, this organization, need more guys coming in, tooling it???

no that is not what zen means

thus the term synonymous...

the most zen thing that jackson has uttered thus far: "I'm all about moving forward," Jackson said. "Just deal with what is and move forward. If it's in the cards, man are we fortunate. If it's not in the cards, man are we fortunate. We're going forward anyway."

zen is a form of non-attachment.

so far as kerr, you haven't been listening closely to his color commentating. it's very sharp and insightful stuff. and although i loved mark jackson's color commentating i don't recall his observations as being as clinical and coach-like. i mean "hand down man down" and "making others around you better" were lines he often used but you never got the sense he was auditioning for a coaching job.