jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The first 23 games were awesome. The way they played after that was not condusive to winning in the playoffs

And who led the team during those first 23 awesomely boring games?

led them in what?

gunsnewing wrote:I'm fine with keeping Melo. Just get me leaders like billups and Kidd. Can't get those if we pay Melo $30m per

Even with Amare's contract festering and being capped out we have gotten guys...

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The first 23 games were awesome. The way they played after that was not condusive to winning in the playoffs

And who led the team during those first 23 awesomely boring games?

Clearly the guys who aren't here were critical difference makers (even if you devalue them because of low PPG). It's not really that hard to notice the co-occurrence of certain players leaving and the team going downhill. You can't just force any agenda into your interpretation of the games. If players A, B, and C leave while D stays and the team goes downhill, it's borderline delusional to argue that player D was carrying the team.

exactly....

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The only other time we played like a team was during linsanity

agree, but not sustainable. Melo didnt kill linsanity... Miami and Deron Williams did. Folks caught on. What was more impressive was the 18-4 run to finish the season when MElo was beasting and Lin was playing the role of a normal PG (15ppg 6assists ish)

and looking at this season, was that sustainable... meanwhile lin playing like a normal PG in Houston has a legit chance at a title this year..

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The first 23 games were awesome. The way they played after that was not condusive to winning in the playoffs

And who led the team during those first 23 awesomely boring games?

Clearly the guys who aren't here were critical difference makers (even if you devalue them because of low PPG). It's not really that hard to notice the co-occurrence of certain players leaving and the team going downhill. You can't just force any agenda into your interpretation of the games. If players A, B, and C leave while D stays and the team goes downhill, it's borderline delusional to argue that player D was carrying the team.

Unless of course, you happen to look at the statistics from those 23 games. But then, we shouldn't do that, should we? Or do we?

How about if A, B, and C leave and have little to no impact where they went while player D continues to beast on a team full of F's, what do you draw about your delusional agenda then?

Why of course, any non-delusional person would conclude that player D is obviously a fat, lazy, greedy, overpaid, spiritually bankrupt, dummie malcontent.

gunsnewing wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The only other time we played like a team was during linsanity

agree, but not sustainable. Melo didnt kill linsanity... Miami and Deron Williams did. Folks caught on. What was more impressive was the 18-4 run to finish the season when MElo was beasting and Lin was playing the role of a normal PG (15ppg 6assists ish)

Not all that impressive because a few days later the postseason started and we almost lost to the rondo-less celtics. Albeit in large part due to JR. But these are the kind of players you settle for when you seek max money

Those are 2 different seasons. We played Miami in the season fish is talking about.

Lin was out

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The first 23 games were awesome. The way they played after that was not condusive to winning in the playoffs

And who led the team during those first 23 awesomely boring games?

Clearly the guys who aren't here were critical difference makers (even if you devalue them because of low PPG). It's not really that hard to notice the co-occurrence of certain players leaving and the team going downhill. You can't just force any agenda into your interpretation of the games. If players A, B, and C leave while D stays and the team goes downhill, it's borderline delusional to argue that player D was carrying the team.

Unless of course, you happen to look at the statistics from those 23 games.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The first 23 games were awesome. The way they played after that was not condusive to winning in the playoffs

And who led the team during those first 23 awesomely boring games?

Clearly the guys who aren't here were critical difference makers (even if you devalue them because of low PPG). It's not really that hard to notice the co-occurrence of certain players leaving and the team going downhill. You can't just force any agenda into your interpretation of the games. If players A, B, and C leave while D stays and the team goes downhill, it's borderline delusional to argue that player D was carrying the team.

Unless of course, you happen to look at the statistics from those 23 games.

What stats? PPG?

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The first 23 games were awesome. The way they played after that was not condusive to winning in the playoffs

And who led the team during those first 23 awesomely boring games?

Clearly the guys who aren't here were critical difference makers (even if you devalue them because of low PPG). It's not really that hard to notice the co-occurrence of certain players leaving and the team going downhill. You can't just force any agenda into your interpretation of the games. If players A, B, and C leave while D stays and the team goes downhill, it's borderline delusional to argue that player D was carrying the team.

Unless of course, you happen to look at the statistics from those 23 games.

What stats? PPG?

I'm curious do you think ppg is useless or just overvalued?

It's not useless but very overvalued by most people. Especially media types who then influence fans

gunsnewing wrote:Oh I see. 18-4 that year and the finish last year were similar in that we beat up on weaker teams playing HEROBALL and got crushed both times once the playoffs rolled around

Lin tweeked his knee, and shut it down.

And last year the Knicks beat almost every elite team in the league at least once... I 100000% agree that iso ball is not going to win in the playoffs and thats part of why Melo's teams fail, when he's the primary scorer. You must have another guy to lean on.