Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm not trying to by funny but is anyone on the forum gay? Or do you thing you might be gay? I see nothing wrong if you come out and say you are. This is 2014 it should make no difference.

I once watched the first 3 seasons of Grey's Anthony in 4 days, uncoerced. Does that make me gay?

I actually enjoy the concept of using a bidet. Does that kinda count?

Two weeks ago, I went out on a date (I ****ing hate dates) with a woman that made me envious that one dude could be predisposed to ****ing another dude. Does that make me gay? lol.

Probably not but we do know which posters here have crushes on James Dolan!

At the very least, I think it makes me dangerously close to being French though. Lol.

playa2 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm not trying to by funny but is anyone on the forum gay? Or do you thing you might be gay? I see nothing wrong if you come out and say you are. This is 2014 it should make no difference.

You're kidding right ?

Of course they are , but they never flaunted it to all the heterosexuals here on UK they just talk about basketball and cultural issues.

I bet they would never come to a UK gathering and talk about their girlfriend.

I guarantee you the number of people who flaunt there homosexuality is smaller than the number who flaunt their heterosexuality

Maybe because it's natural it's the way the earth is populated with human beings, also it's how you and I got here.

So can we finally admit that the only person with the agenda here is you and NOT Michael Sams? You just don't like gay people being gay and therefore project all your emotions onto them as being deceptive, conniving and agenda-driven.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Historical facts are defined by the amount of documentation backing them up. The bible as the most documentation backing it up then any other piece of history in mankind's existence. Under these definitions if the Bible isn't considered a historical fact then nothing in mans history that you didn't visually witness could be deemed as such.

And recorded human history dates back as far as 3100 BC. The Old Testament wasn't assembled until 3 BC and existed as "word of mouth" for some time before that. Anyone whose played "telephone" in first grade can realize the issues that something like that could present, not to mention the presumptions that were made in translations since.

I'm not sure what you're basing your facts around but the idea of the Bible being a source of historical reference is ridiculous, especially when considering how limited in geographical scope it is. Also, the validity of any document that speaks of men parting seas and building sea vessels large enough to store every animal in the world, is shaky at best. The real facts here are that several well-recognized and more pervasive peoples existed before Christians or the Bible was ever conceived.

I'm not going to go into deep discussion.

The bible is based off hundreds of books, of men documenting there experiences. Using your own critic every single piece of history ever written that wasn't visibly seen cannot be deemed as facts due to the same telephone principal. The multitude of documentation by different authors backing up similar events is what makes it authentic. The bible is the most read, research, and studied book in mans history yet not one word in it has ever been *proven* wrong. How can that be for a fictional book.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Historical facts are defined by the amount of documentation backing them up. The bible as the most documentation backing it up then any other piece of history in mankind's existence. Under these definitions if the Bible isn't considered a historical fact then nothing in mans history that you didn't visually witness could be deemed as such.

And recorded human history dates back as far as 3100 BC. The Old Testament wasn't assembled until 3 BC and existed as "word of mouth" for some time before that. Anyone whose played "telephone" in first grade can realize the issues that something like that could present, not to mention the presumptions that were made in translations since.

I'm not sure what you're basing your facts around but the idea of the Bible being a source of historical reference is ridiculous, especially when considering how limited in geographical scope it is. Also, the validity of any document that speaks of men parting seas and building sea vessels large enough to store every animal in the world, is shaky at best. The real facts here are that several well-recognized and more pervasive peoples existed before Christians or the Bible was ever conceived.

I'm not going to go into deep discussion.

The bible is based off hundreds of books, of men documenting there experiences. Using your own critic every single piece of history ever written that wasn't visibly seen cannot be deemed as facts due to the same telephone principal. The multitude of documentation by different authors backing up similar events is what makes it authentic. The bible is the most read, research, and studied book in mans history yet not one word in it has ever been *proven* wrong. How can that be for a fictional book.

because most of what it says is untestable.
You need to have a specific scientific hypothesis, if you want to see whether it will be proven right or wrong.

If Moses parted the red sea in front of millions of people. Then those millions of people documenting there travels documented what they had witnessed. Then out of those millions of people say thousands of letters were discovered by different authors noting the parting of the red sea.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Historical facts are defined by the amount of documentation backing them up. The bible as the most documentation backing it up then any other piece of history in mankind's existence. Under these definitions if the Bible isn't considered a historical fact then nothing in mans history that you didn't visually witness could be deemed as such.

And recorded human history dates back as far as 3100 BC. The Old Testament wasn't assembled until 3 BC and existed as "word of mouth" for some time before that. Anyone whose played "telephone" in first grade can realize the issues that something like that could present, not to mention the presumptions that were made in translations since.

I'm not sure what you're basing your facts around but the idea of the Bible being a source of historical reference is ridiculous, especially when considering how limited in geographical scope it is. Also, the validity of any document that speaks of men parting seas and building sea vessels large enough to store every animal in the world, is shaky at best. The real facts here are that several well-recognized and more pervasive peoples existed before Christians or the Bible was ever conceived.

I'm not going to go into deep discussion.

The bible is based off hundreds of books, of men documenting there experiences. Using your own critic every single piece of history ever written that wasn't visibly seen cannot be deemed as facts due to the same telephone principal. The multitude of documentation by different authors backing up similar events is what makes it authentic. The bible is the most read, research, and studied book in mans history yet not one word in it has ever been *proven* wrong. How can that be for a fictional book.

Actually the bulk of it is wrong. Radioactive dating demolishes the notion of the Earth being 6000 years old. Fossil records demolish the idea of man being created as man. A basic understanding of physics, integrity of wood to resist sheering and common sense should tell you that Noah's Ark is bull****. More importantly, if Noah had EVERY animal on the planet, how do kangaroos exist? Their only habitat has bee. in Australia, which was still an island 6,000 years ago (based on the rate of continental shift), which was no where close to where Noah supposedly landed. The list goes on and on. The Bible simply isn't a good source when it come to facts. History is dynamic, comprehensive and constantly expanding. The Bible is none of those things. It's accept what I say as gospel (while ignoring everything else that was going on at the time) or my God will **** you up.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Historical facts are defined by the amount of documentation backing them up. The bible as the most documentation backing it up then any other piece of history in mankind's existence. Under these definitions if the Bible isn't considered a historical fact then nothing in mans history that you didn't visually witness could be deemed as such.

And recorded human history dates back as far as 3100 BC. The Old Testament wasn't assembled until 3 BC and existed as "word of mouth" for some time before that. Anyone whose played "telephone" in first grade can realize the issues that something like that could present, not to mention the presumptions that were made in translations since.

I'm not sure what you're basing your facts around but the idea of the Bible being a source of historical reference is ridiculous, especially when considering how limited in geographical scope it is. Also, the validity of any document that speaks of men parting seas and building sea vessels large enough to store every animal in the world, is shaky at best. The real facts here are that several well-recognized and more pervasive peoples existed before Christians or the Bible was ever conceived.

I'm not going to go into deep discussion.

The bible is based off hundreds of books, of men documenting there experiences. Using your own critic every single piece of history ever written that wasn't visibly seen cannot be deemed as facts due to the same telephone principal. The multitude of documentation by different authors backing up similar events is what makes it authentic. The bible is the most read, research, and studied book in mans history yet not one word in it has ever been *proven* wrong. How can that be for a fictional book.

because most of what it says is untestable.
You need to have a specific scientific hypothesis, if you want to see whether it will be proven right or wrong.

If Moses parted the red sea in front of millions of people. Then those millions of people documenting there travels documented what they had witnessed. Then out of those millions of people say thousands of letters were discovered by different authors noting the parting of the red sea.

Jews hardly have "millions of people" today. You think they had them back then, having everyone trying to kill them and none of the advantages of modern medicine? Let's be serious. And most of these stories aren't observed by a bunch of people. These stories are overwhelmingly limited to second person accounts (who never even met the people that they were talking about), based on the supposed experiences of a select few individuals and their individual experiences (e.g. the story about the burning bush, Noah's experiences as recounted by him and 7 of his family members, Isaac and his son, etc.).

Let's even pretend that all of this is true in spite of the glaring evidence to the contrary. Is the Rig Veda bull**** since that pre-dates the Bible? Followers of it think it's true because it says it's true. So are the billions of followers being lied to? How do you even begin to reconcile stuff like this?

NardDogNation wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm not trying to by funny but is anyone on the forum gay? Or do you thing you might be gay? I see nothing wrong if you come out and say you are. This is 2014 it should make no difference.

You're kidding right ?

Of course they are , but they never flaunted it to all the heterosexuals here on UK they just talk about basketball and cultural issues.

I bet they would never come to a UK gathering and talk about their girlfriend.

I guarantee you the number of people who flaunt there homosexuality is smaller than the number who flaunt their heterosexuality

Maybe because it's natural it's the way the earth is populated with human beings, also it's how you and I got here.

So can we finally admit that the only person with the agenda here is you and NOT Michael Sams? You just don't like gay people being gay and therefore project all your emotions onto them as being deceptive, conniving and agenda-driven.

Thats about true about most things playa will discuss. Start a thread to "discuss" but its really as we find a platform to demonstrate his view. Very agenda driven. Nothing wrong with having an agenda, just bring it.

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I studied the bible heavily a couple of yrs ago. And while i'm not close to knowing everything or being an expert. There are some conclusions that I have come to.

First and foremost God is real. If God wasn't real then he was made up by man. Meaning there would be a time period in mans history where there was no God in existence. There is no documented time period in mans history that God wasn't in existence.

Second, Gods law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. God created a lot of rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions, guidlines to follow throughout the bible. Everything from what to eat Whatever divides the hoof and is cloven-footed, chewing the cud (Leviticus 11:3), whatever has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, those you shall eat. (verse 9), sex, taxes etc etc etc. Every single guidline has its purpose to keep the order in society. More proof of his existence in my eyes as why would man(without Gods influence) create laws on what was good to eat or not eat during this time frame? How would they know the affects of any food to call it good or bad? Or laws of marriage, as Jrodmc stated kept the order of society for centuries. There is no way for them during this time period to know the negative affects of these actions on society to put these laws into place.

Now again the law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. But the rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions are changeable based on where man kind was at in there development. Notice how God at first in the bible stated to be fruitful and multiple allowing siblings to have sex with each other to fill the earth. Then later on put out the law that siblings were no longer allowed to have sex with each other. As in the beginning this was necessary for the earth to be filled but after the earth was filled it was no longer necessary so in order to keep society in order God decided to update his instructions. This was heavily taught by Jesus as the Scribes and Pharisees would often follow the laws as well as create there own laws to benefit themselves. But wouldn't follow Gods eternal law of LOVE.

Mark 3:1-6
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Clearly Jesus was stating that allowing a man to die just to follow Gods law of not doing any work on the Sabbath wasn't Gods will. Which clarifies that Gods law of LOVE overrides everything.

Third, I don't know what causes an individual to be gay. But I don't think we are at the part of mans development that passes judgement. If being Gay is wrong, I don't believe that it will lead to individuals burning in hell for eternity. There will be a time period where God lifts the curse from the earth and heaven will come down to earth and we will live under Jesus rule to be shown the proper way to live. If being homosexual is against Gods will then most likely the thought processes that goes with being homosexual will be removed. If homosexuality is a natural part of life then the thought process of being against homosexuals will be removed. The last 2 sentences were just my opinion though not biblical fact.

So in other words, every other religion is wrong but yours is right....because it says that it is. And somehow, there was no order before it....and yet many of the greatest empires came before anyone ever even conceived of it. Awesome bro.

I stated the conclusions that I came to that is all. I didn't write this to claim that I was right and everyone else was wrong, just sharing my thoughts.

With that said the earliest known civilization documented in mans history is Mesopotamia which was created after the flood of Noah. If I am wrong I would like to be educated.

You can believe what you want to believe but the Bible is no real historical account. If it was, the book would be continually expanding and updating itself; while focusing on more than the accounts of a random nomadic tribe.

You know what's interesting about Christianity though? Every other present day religion maintains it's highest concentration of followers in the areas/regions they originated: the Buddhist/Daoist still dominants East Asia, the Muslim still dominants the Middle East, the Hindu in India. Christianity is the only religion whose message was so compelling that hardly anyone in the region where it began, still follows it. The highest concentration of Christians today, exist in conquered lands. The conquerors came with their Bibles and took the land and all the resources therein of the indigenous peoples'. Today, all that the progeny of these indigenous people have are their Bibles, while the descendants of the conquerors have no need for theirs'. I think that's all I needed to know about Christianity, when I stopped being a Catholic. Perhaps that's something you should consider as "a strong Black man".

Umm, Judaism says hello, mr. Scientific Method. As well as the 150 millions Christians in China; tell me, who conquered China? Did Chairman Mao use a bible? Your obvious ignorance puts you on a par with your little demi-gods like Sam Harris. And your arrogance as a lapsed Catholic makes you a pretty pathetic commentator on scripture.

I love you jrod. "Blessed are the snarky, for they shall inherit the Internet" Shout-outs to Dawkins and Harris in the same thread, impressive. Two horsemen down, Dennett and Hitchens left to go (All Praise and Cigarettes Be Upon Him)… don't worry, Hirsi Ali has his back. See, I can get all Culture War Inside Baseball too.

While we are whipping out Bible verses, what is up with I Samuel 18? Starts off with a serious mancrush, ends in David paying a wedding dowry with 200 foreskins from the Philistines! That book can really get all HBO, can't it? But like it says in the Bible, even the Devil can quote scripture. Or was that Shakespeare? Yes... the Devil can quote Shakespeare too.

jrod, we both believe man creates gods. I just think he created one more than you think he did. Or three more, depending on who is counting. ;)

Would love to know if my reference to passing struck a chord at all…

playa2 wrote:Men started religion, but Jesus didn't bring religion he brought a spiritual government. People equate religion with Jesus BUT he came to destroy religion that kept men in bondage.

Isiah 9:6-7 A child has been [or will be; born to us;
 a son has been given to us.
·He will be responsible for leading the people [ The government/rule/dominion will be on his shoulder].
His name will be Wonderful Counselor [or Wonderful! Counselor!; or Extraordinary Advisor], Powerful [Mighty] God,
·Father Who Lives Forever [Eternal Father], Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the ·growth [abundance; increase] of his ·rule [dominion; government],

Religion was mans way to appease God, But God wanted to be known thru a relationship with his son and the spiritual government connection of heaven he wanted to re-connect with man after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Matt 7:6-9 Jesus replied (to religious leaders of his day), "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.And he continued, "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Be informed people .

This young man could and should have came to the league without all the fanfare , he chose not to and that was his choice. He can be gay if he wants to , but nobody cares if he likes men or women. Just come to the league and see if you can make a team without the agenda driven process just like everybody else. You're not privileged because you announce your sexual preference.

If people don't see this is as a challenge to the NFL for approval, acceptance of his lifestyle than it wouldn't make sense to approach the league this way. Dude didn't even make a roster yet, haven't even been drafted. LOL

Whose making a big deal over it?

Those who think its not natural? Those who object? those who fear what they don't understand?

What if a guy comes out and nobody cared?

NardDogNation wrote:

playa2 wrote:Men started religion, but Jesus didn't bring religion he brought a spiritual government. People equate religion with Jesus BUT he came to destroy religion that kept men in bondage.

Isiah 9:6-7 A child has been [or will be; born to us;
 a son has been given to us.
·He will be responsible for leading the people [ The government/rule/dominion will be on his shoulder].
His name will be Wonderful Counselor [or Wonderful! Counselor!; or Extraordinary Advisor], Powerful [Mighty] God,
·Father Who Lives Forever [Eternal Father], Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the ·growth [abundance; increase] of his ·rule [dominion; government],

Religion was mans way to appease God, But God wanted to be known thru a relationship with his son and the spiritual government connection of heaven he wanted to re-connect with man after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Matt 7:6-9 Jesus replied (to religious leaders of his day), "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.And he continued, "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Be informed people .

This young man could and should have came to the league without all the fanfare , he chose not to and that was his choice. He can be gay if he wants to , but nobody cares if he likes men or women. Just come to the league and see if you can make a team without the agenda driven process just like everybody else. You're not privileged because you announce your sexual preference.

If people don't see this is as a challenge to the NFL for approval, acceptance of his lifestyle than it wouldn't make sense to approach the league this way. Dude didn't even make a roster yet, haven't even been drafted. LOL

...but Jesus didn't write the accounts you're describing. Someone else did and evidently that someone else intended to build a religion, since entire institutions were founded upon it. So why are you taking these accounts as gospel? Why do we then have to capitulate our public policies and perceptions to it, even if we don't believe a word of it?

What Jesus said is bond, whether you believe the sky is blue or not.

1 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I studied the bible heavily a couple of yrs ago. And while i'm not close to knowing everything or being an expert. There are some conclusions that I have come to.

First and foremost God is real. If God wasn't real then he was made up by man. Meaning there would be a time period in mans history where there was no God in existence. There is no documented time period in mans history that God wasn't in existence.

Second, Gods law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. God created a lot of rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions, guidlines to follow throughout the bible. Everything from what to eat Whatever divides the hoof and is cloven-footed, chewing the cud (Leviticus 11:3), whatever has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, those you shall eat. (verse 9), sex, taxes etc etc etc. Every single guidline has its purpose to keep the order in society. More proof of his existence in my eyes as why would man(without Gods influence) create laws on what was good to eat or not eat during this time frame? How would they know the affects of any food to call it good or bad? Or laws of marriage, as Jrodmc stated kept the order of society for centuries. There is no way for them during this time period to know the negative affects of these actions on society to put these laws into place.

Now again the law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. But the rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions are changeable based on where man kind was at in there development. Notice how God at first in the bible stated to be fruitful and multiple allowing siblings to have sex with each other to fill the earth. Then later on put out the law that siblings were no longer allowed to have sex with each other. As in the beginning this was necessary for the earth to be filled but after the earth was filled it was no longer necessary so in order to keep society in order God decided to update his instructions. This was heavily taught by Jesus as the Scribes and Pharisees would often follow the laws as well as create there own laws to benefit themselves. But wouldn't follow Gods eternal law of LOVE.

Mark 3:1-6
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Clearly Jesus was stating that allowing a man to die just to follow Gods law of not doing any work on the Sabbath wasn't Gods will. Which clarifies that Gods law of LOVE overrides everything.

Third, I don't know what causes an individual to be gay. But I don't think we are at the part of mans development that passes judgement. If being Gay is wrong, I don't believe that it will lead to individuals burning in hell for eternity. There will be a time period where God lifts the curse from the earth and heaven will come down to earth and we will live under Jesus rule to be shown the proper way to live. If being homosexual is against Gods will then most likely the thought processes that goes with being homosexual will be removed. If homosexuality is a natural part of life then the thought process of being against homosexuals will be removed. The last 2 sentences were just my opinion though not biblical fact.

So in other words, every other religion is wrong but yours is right....because it says that it is. And somehow, there was no order before it....and yet many of the greatest empires came before anyone ever even conceived of it. Awesome bro.

I stated the conclusions that I came to that is all. I didn't write this to claim that I was right and everyone else was wrong, just sharing my thoughts.

With that said the earliest known civilization documented in mans history is Mesopotamia which was created after the flood of Noah. If I am wrong I would like to be educated.

You can believe what you want to believe but the Bible is no real historical account. If it was, the book would be continually expanding and updating itself; while focusing on more than the accounts of a random nomadic tribe.

You know what's interesting about Christianity though? Every other present day religion maintains it's highest concentration of followers in the areas/regions they originated: the Buddhist/Daoist still dominants East Asia, the Muslim still dominants the Middle East, the Hindu in India. Christianity is the only religion whose message was so compelling that hardly anyone in the region where it began, still follows it. The highest concentration of Christians today, exist in conquered lands. The conquerors came with their Bibles and took the land and all the resources therein of the indigenous peoples'. Today, all that the progeny of these indigenous people have are their Bibles, while the descendants of the conquerors have no need for theirs'. I think that's all I needed to know about Christianity, when I stopped being a Catholic. Perhaps that's something you should consider as "a strong Black man".

Yea but we took their land and raped their women and children in the name of The Lord so it's ok!

Through science weapons of mass destruction have been created killing millions of people. Through technology weapons have been created killing millions of people. Through sex people have been sold for profit & raped. Through Government & Politics people have suppressed others for there own personal gain.

Maybe mankind is just flawed, and have continually tainted there(Religion, Science, Technology, Sex, Government) purpose for personal gain. Or should we do away with Religion, Science, Technology, Sex, & Government? Would the world then be a better place?

So at best, religion is flawed because like government, it was created and is safeguarded by man. So why should we be pretending that it is the "final authority" for anyone or anything? Why do you wield it as some kind of infallible tool. "It says God exists.....so God must exist". "It says homosexuality is a sin.... so it MUST be sin".

I'm really not trying to continue this argument because clearly you have your views set in stone and I have mine. Neither of us are going to bend. So all that's going to happen is us arguing for days only to realize what we already know. Which is that we don't know everything.

But you are missing the point and have been since your first reply to me. Religion isn't flawed because its only a tool, same as science, government, technology etc etc.. All these tools can be manipulated by man for good or evil. Same as money, money can't be flawed because its only a tool. Its man kind that is flawed. If mankind was perfect then all these would automatically become perfect. I can use water to drown and kill a man or I could use water to replenish a man who's thirsty.

I also didn't say religion was the final authority for anyone or anything. If you actually read the original post which you replied to me its actually the opposite view. Religion isn't the final authority, Gods law of Love is the final authority for anyone or anything. If you use Gods law of love as dominion over any tool then you would only use these tools for good. If everyone followed Gods law of Love then there would be no wars saving billions upon billions of dollars to give back to the people. Farmers wouldn't need to destroy food in order to keep prices at a specific rate while people starve to death throughout the world. Taxes would be 100% used for its intended purpose without man dipping his hand in the cookie jar for there own personal gain. Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

I understand why you feel the way you feel. Religion has been so corrupted by man that its easy to see why people denounce it. Again I don't have the answers to why a man is gay or not gay. If a man is gay or not we are all flawed sinners regardless. Under the New testament of the bible it is believed that heaven will come down on earth and we will be shown the proper way to live under Jesus rule for 1,000 years. Everyone will get a chance to live under this rule no matter what your beliefs were on earth as your heart is what will be judged not our beliefs. All the tools at our exposure will be used in there correct manner. Satan will be locked away for these 1,000 yrs freeing us from negative influence. This is the fear many believers have toward getting accustomed to a certain life style on earth as under Jesus rule you may not live the life style you grew accustomed to on earth. After the 1,000 yrs Satan will be released and there will be a final battle of Armageddon in which people that preferred the life style they had on earth will join Satan to fight for there right to live the life style they want and be wiped out from existence. And when I say life style I am not specifically talking about homosexuals but everything from being super wealthy to swingers etc.

In closing, I am not trying to tell you what to believe or claim I am right and you are wrong. The only point I care to make throughout any of this is that God's law is Love. No matter that our beliefs are different, i'm sure that at the end of the day we both desire peace and love for everyone.