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10/13/2013  7:21 PM
holfresh wrote:
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knickscity wrote:
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misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.
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10/13/2013  7:24 PM
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...

How do you explain Durants assists going up when he played WITH WESTBROOK before injury?

The turnovers are overrated....OKC was the #1 o-rated team in the entire league last year even though they had over 300 more turnovers than the Knicks, and lead the league in turnovers.

After Harden was traded, Durant handles the ball more when Westbrook isn't in the game...They don't have that traditional PG, I don't even consider Westbrook a PG..


If Westbrook isnt a pg, then 90% of the pg's in the league arent.

The point though is Durants assists went up and he isnt a NATURAL playmaker, and their team lead the league in ortg despite a ton of turnovers.

His assist went up because he was asked to be a playmaker...Has nothing to do with being a natural playmaker...The fact that they lead the league is turnovers should tell u Westbrook isn't really a PG..
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10/13/2013  7:30 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...

you're being intellectually dishonest here. durant has increased his assists every season he has been in the league. it was a part of his game he wanted to develop regardless of circumstances.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/13/2013  7:33 PM
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...

How do you explain Durants assists going up when he played WITH WESTBROOK before injury?

The turnovers are overrated....OKC was the #1 o-rated team in the entire league last year even though they had over 300 more turnovers than the Knicks, and lead the league in turnovers.

After Harden was traded, Durant handles the ball more when Westbrook isn't in the game...They don't have that traditional PG, I don't even consider Westbrook a PG..


If Westbrook isnt a pg, then 90% of the pg's in the league arent.

The point though is Durants assists went up and he isnt a NATURAL playmaker, and their team lead the league in ortg despite a ton of turnovers.

His assist went up because he was asked to be a playmaker...Has nothing to do with being a natural playmaker...The fact that they lead the league is turnovers should tell u Westbrook isn't really a PG..


Actually it shows turnovers can be offset by other things, and OKC does that by converting a high % of shots.

But overall teams that run alot and have high tempos naturally turn over the ball.

We dont turnover the ball because he isolate alot and play at a snails pace....our two highest scorers create their own shot and milk the clock.
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10/13/2013  7:34 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.


No...wrong...Every player cannot be the most perfect player or LeBron James...There is only one of him...U can still win if you surround Melo with the right pieces...Westbrook and Wade are top ten players, so Bron and Durant are just awesome and swell...They know how to make people around them better...Because frankly, the players around them are just better...If u add a top ten player to this current Knick roster, which Amare was supposed to be, do u doubt we would be able to compete with the Heat or OKC??...
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10/13/2013  7:53 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.


No...wrong...Every player cannot be the most perfect player or LeBron James...There is only one of him...U can still win if you surround Melo with the right pieces...Westbrook and Wade are top ten players, so Bron and Durant are just awesome and swell...They know how to make people around them better...Because frankly, the players around them are just better...If u add a top ten player to this current Knick roster, which Amare was supposed to be, do u doubt we would be able to compete with the Heat or OKC??...

We can compete with them now in the regular season, but I doubt we can in the playoffs.

LeBron certainly wasnt playing with a healthy top 10 player, and they did take an L when he was healthy.

But that was because another top 10 (Dirk) went bonkers on offense and did things he usually dont (rebound).

You dont need two top 10's to win...if you have one, he needs to play great though.
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10/13/2013  7:55 PM
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.


No...wrong...Every player cannot be the most perfect player or LeBron James...There is only one of him...U can still win if you surround Melo with the right pieces...Westbrook and Wade are top ten players, so Bron and Durant are just awesome and swell...They know how to make people around them better...Because frankly, the players around them are just better...If u add a top ten player to this current Knick roster, which Amare was supposed to be, do u doubt we would be able to compete with the Heat or OKC??...

We can compete with them now in the regular season, but I doubt we can in the playoffs.

LeBron certainly wasnt playing with a healthy top 10 player, and they did take an L when he was healthy.

But that was because another top 10 (Dirk) went bonkers on offense and did things he usually dont (rebound).

You dont need two top 10's to win...if you have one, he needs to play great though.


How did Dirk do in the playmaking department??
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10/13/2013  8:05 PM
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.


No...wrong...Every player cannot be the most perfect player or LeBron James...There is only one of him...U can still win if you surround Melo with the right pieces...Westbrook and Wade are top ten players, so Bron and Durant are just awesome and swell...They know how to make people around them better...Because frankly, the players around them are just better...If u add a top ten player to this current Knick roster, which Amare was supposed to be, do u doubt we would be able to compete with the Heat or OKC??...

We can compete with them now in the regular season, but I doubt we can in the playoffs.

LeBron certainly wasnt playing with a healthy top 10 player, and they did take an L when he was healthy.

But that was because another top 10 (Dirk) went bonkers on offense and did things he usually dont (rebound).

You dont need two top 10's to win...if you have one, he needs to play great though.


How did Dirk do in the playmaking department??


He made up for it with offensive efficiency and double digit rebounding.

Dirk converted plays, he doesnt just soak em up.
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10/13/2013  8:27 PM
Dirk never double digit rebound for an entire season in his career...Very efficient player tho..Lousy defender..
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10/13/2013  8:28 PM
holfresh wrote:Dirk never double digit rebound for an entire season in his career...Very efficient player tho..Lousy defender..

I was talking about the finals....thats when he beat two top 10 players.
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10/13/2013  8:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2013  8:56 PM
Point being tho..These guys are winning because of personnel more so than playmaking..Durant's team lost the series 4-1 in the second round like the Knicks despite his fantastic assist/efficiency numbers...
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10/13/2013  8:42 PM
holfresh wrote:Point being tho..These guys are winning because of personnel more so than playmaking..Durant's team lost the series 4-1 dispute his fantastic assist/efficiency numbers...

Obviously personnel has alot to do with it, I doubt anyone disagrees.

Even Kobe went lotto without talent around him, some guys you just cant make better.

it's always about what you do with the talent you have.
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10/13/2013  9:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2013  9:31 PM
There is a problem when u rely on one guy to carry you..Playing Championship caliber ball isn't always sustained..You have to get lucky with other players stepping up and having career years ...Tyson had his best year there..JJ Borea was awesome in the playoffs, Jason Terry...Kidd played well...In Houston with Hakeem, Sam Cassell stepped up, Vernon Maxwell played well, No.15, fwd, I forgot his name, was a monster ...A team with two top ten guys can be competitive every year...Who is stepping up to help Melo??..Maybe it's his playmaking...
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10/14/2013  12:27 AM
holfresh wrote:There is a problem when u rely on one guy to carry you..Playing Championship caliber ball isn't always sustained..You have to get lucky with other players stepping up and having career years ...Tyson had his best year there..JJ Borea was awesome in the playoffs, Jason Terry...Kidd played well...In Houston with Hakeem, Sam Cassell stepped up, Vernon Maxwell played well, No.15, fwd, I forgot his name, was a monster ...A team with two top ten guys can be competitive every year...Who is stepping up to help Melo??..Maybe it's his playmaking...

yea no one is stepping up because melo forced a trade that sent away gallo and ill wilson

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10/14/2013  3:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2013  4:00 AM
misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Never Attacks Nobody

Re: "Everyone knows the Knicks are making the playoffs...so what's the problem"

It's called a thread STARTER JamesKPolk. The objective is to inspire an entertaining conversation. Yes?

Last we checked, the Knicks had 13 new faces on the training camp roster. That is a recipe for new relationships forged on the team charter, new locker room conversations and new combinations on the basketball court. Prigioni and Uhrih will change Raymond Felton. Melo will change Bargnani.. and Jeremy Tyler will be changed by Ron World Peace and Kenyon Martin. If we are lucky, Mike Woodson's deliberate public poke will change Cole Aldrich.

"throw it down big man, throw it DOWN!" - Bill Walton

What year was that again?

Udrih is changing nobody. He's a career journeyman and nothing more than a solid player.

Felton also suffers the same 'solid player' fate, which makes the PG position a very mediocre one for our New York Knicks.

Andrea Bargnani makes Eddy Curry look like a hard worker.

Jeremy Tyler is a no-name who has proven nothing not proven anything to anyone.

Mike Woodson is the epitome of mediocre coach - mediocre defensively, one trick pony offensively.

The Knicks were 25th in total rebounds and 16th in overall defensive rating last year. I don't know about you but I didn't see anything done in the offseason that will make a big dent in those numbers.

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10/14/2013  5:40 AM
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holfresh wrote:There is a problem when u rely on one guy to carry you..Playing Championship caliber ball isn't always sustained..You have to get lucky with other players stepping up and having career years ...Tyson had his best year there..JJ Borea was awesome in the playoffs, Jason Terry...Kidd played well...In Houston with Hakeem, Sam Cassell stepped up, Vernon Maxwell played well, No.15, fwd, I forgot his name, was a monster ...A team with two top ten guys can be competitive every year...Who is stepping up to help Melo??..Maybe it's his playmaking...

yea no one is stepping up because melo forced a trade that sent away gallo and ill wilson

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10/14/2013  5:54 AM
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.


No...wrong...Every player cannot be the most perfect player or LeBron James...There is only one of him...U can still win if you surround Melo with the right pieces...Westbrook and Wade are top ten players, so Bron and Durant are just awesome and swell...They know how to make people around them better...Because frankly, the players around them are just better...If u add a top ten player to this current Knick roster, which Amare was supposed to be, do u doubt we would be able to compete with the Heat or OKC??...

We can compete with them now in the regular season, but I doubt we can in the playoffs.

LeBron certainly wasnt playing with a healthy top 10 player, and they did take an L when he was healthy.

But that was because another top 10 (Dirk) went bonkers on offense and did things he usually dont (rebound).

You dont need two top 10's to win...if you have one, he needs to play great though.


How did Dirk do in the playmaking department??

much better assist:to ratio than Melo.
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10/14/2013  5:55 AM
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.


No...wrong...Every player cannot be the most perfect player or LeBron James...There is only one of him...U can still win if you surround Melo with the right pieces...Westbrook and Wade are top ten players, so Bron and Durant are just awesome and swell...They know how to make people around them better...Because frankly, the players around them are just better...If u add a top ten player to this current Knick roster, which Amare was supposed to be, do u doubt we would be able to compete with the Heat or OKC??...

We can compete with them now in the regular season, but I doubt we can in the playoffs.

LeBron certainly wasnt playing with a healthy top 10 player, and they did take an L when he was healthy.

But that was because another top 10 (Dirk) went bonkers on offense and did things he usually dont (rebound).

You dont need two top 10's to win...if you have one, he needs to play great though.


How did Dirk do in the playmaking department??


He made up for it with offensive efficiency and double digit rebounding.

Dirk converted plays, he doesnt just soak em up.

That's true; if Melo was awesome at rebounding or steals or something other than volume scoring, I'd be gentler on him for poor playmaking skills. But he's gotta do something besides get high PPG totals.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knickscity - nice summary. Does your game change when you are playing with guys who are not as accomplished?

Or do you play the same way every game, no matter who you are teamed with?

He can answer for himself. However, unless they're players who can't even hit open layups, I would hope he would try to get high % shots for them before taking contested off-balance shots for himself.
Notice how KD played with guys collectively shooting below 40% in the 2nd round of the playoffs but he still averaged seven assists a game?


Yup, and this was from a guy who isnt a natural playmaker.

...And averaged 4 turnovers, shot below 45% and got bumped in the 2nd round. Whats the point? I can find series where Melo put up great individual numbers and his team still got knocked out of the playoffs as well....

No, you can't find series where Melo averaged 7 assists a game. And actually an assist:to ratio of almost 2 to 1 (7:4) is excellent for a forward and 45% from the field would be one of the best playoff series of Melo's career.

Bonn..It's a silly comparison given that OKC used Durant as a point forward in a lot of cases after Westbrook went down...His career average prior to that was over 2.5 assist per game...Knicks play more of a half court style that results is a lot of ISO with Melo, which results in less assist..OKC is more of an uptempto offense...It's like Chris Duhon putting out 22 assist in MDA's offense..Without looking at the numbers, Durant is still taking 22/25 shots per game in that series...They lost to Memphis 4-1 I believe...But yeah, great numbers by Durant if that matters...


Point forward - that's just a fancy label for a well-rounded forward who can score and distribute - something we wish Melo could do. If you're going to have the ball in your hands on every play, either you're going to have "point" or play-making skills, or you're gonna hurt your team.


No...wrong...Every player cannot be the most perfect player or LeBron James...There is only one of him...U can still win if you surround Melo with the right pieces...Westbrook and Wade are top ten players, so Bron and Durant are just awesome and swell...They know how to make people around them better...Because frankly, the players around them are just better...If u add a top ten player to this current Knick roster, which Amare was supposed to be, do u doubt we would be able to compete with the Heat or OKC??...

We can compete with them now in the regular season, but I doubt we can in the playoffs.

LeBron certainly wasnt playing with a healthy top 10 player, and they did take an L when he was healthy.

But that was because another top 10 (Dirk) went bonkers on offense and did things he usually dont (rebound).

You dont need two top 10's to win...if you have one, he needs to play great though.


How did Dirk do in the playmaking department??

much better assist:to ratio than Melo.

Now I'm supposed to be concern about Melo's assist:to ratio as its compared to Dirk's??..Stop it...
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