Reggie Bullock, another great game 8-15 shooting, 5 rebounds and 4 assists...

I don't like Toure Murry as the third PG but I do like him as a potential combo guard. I don't think he has earned a contract but he has certainly earned an invite to camp.

I would sign Jeremy Tyler to the rookie 2+1 contract. The bottom line is Jeremy Tyler just turned 22 last month--meaning hes around the age of someone who just completed 4 years. If we had a 6-10 260 pound draft pick who played that good--there would be a lot of happy people here. Yes he is raw--but he has a lot of talent besides just being big. On top of which he can be a guy who can help now. He can be looked at as the third C behind Tyson and possibly Kenyon Martin.

Tim Hardaway showed enough that he should be able to be a player who can help now IF he plays within the system and plays smart--stays away from bad shots.

There were some things to like about CJ Leslie but much more not to. Hes not nBA ready--he needs to learn how to shoot he needs to focus on the 3 position and maybe the most important he has to play with speed energy and his incredible athletic ability--he barely showed it!! I know he may have but hurt--but I expect him to play high energy basketball block shots grab rebounds get out on the break steals etc... he played the direct opposite. Obviously he goes to camp--but in the next three months this man needs to work very very hard. I do not know if he makes the team.

I believe we missed out on what wouldve been our third PG in Buycks. We drafted David Lee 7 years ago. Jack Cooley looks very similar to david Lee in many ways. He might not have that quick second bounce Lee had--but he has longer arms than David and has the same powerful 6-9 250 pound body. He seems to play a better brand of defense and goes right to the spot of attack for rebounds on both ends. This guy is an NBA rebounder the same as a Paul Millspa Ken faried Davcid Lee etc...he's a steal. We have a PF in Amare that stands on shaky ground. All of these guys are FA---if you look at BPA Jack Cooley looks like plays like someone who shouldve been drafetd in round 1--just watrch him play hes consistent against his peers. Almost EVERY single player other than Kelly Olynck Victor Olapido and Cody Zeller has been vastly inconsistent . Not Jack Cooley Jack Cooley has played the same way every game--very very well. Hes a PER dream player--I guess thats why Memphis swiped him. 60% shooter double digit scoring and rebounding tough good FT shooter but has shown the ability to also knock down a 3 pt. Is this Bill Laimbeer? He could be--is he worth us signbing to a rookie FA contract YES. Can we beat any team to him We can if we want to. Out for the next month later

callmened wrote:As always i think BRIGGS is on point. Tyler is a keeper who needs to learn still. Same as murry. Hardaway will be fine but he really sucks on def. No def stance or anything...but thats correctable. The rest of the summer players i can care less. Cj isnt good at all. I always thought he was overated in college.

In terms of other free agents...i think d. Morris is worth a look at pg as well as austin daye. 2 kids who shouldve stayed in college cuz they werent ready. Instead theyve rotted on the bench the last two yrs. I think theure worth a shot. (btw instead of raw unprepared draft picks, id rather invest in young free agents like tyler morris daye who are obviously talented but left school too soon)

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callmened wrote:As always i think BRIGGS is on point. Tyler is a keeper who needs to learn still. Same as murry. Hardaway will be fine but he really sucks on def. No def stance or anything...but thats correctable. The rest of the summer players i can care less. Cj isnt good at all. I always thought he was overated in college.

In terms of other free agents...i think d. Morris is worth a look at pg as well as austin daye. 2 kids who shouldve stayed in college cuz they werent ready. Instead theyve rotted on the bench the last two yrs. I think theure worth a shot. (btw instead of raw unprepared draft picks, id rather invest in young free agents like tyler morris daye who are obviously talented but left school too soon)

I agree with the last sentence. I think Daye always looked good when he got minutes. Also his lightening up Channing Frye is the summer leagues is still a fresh memory.

Wow. Austin Daye would be a great pickup -- love the skill set...6'11" guy that can shoot the lights out AND he also provides a legit shot-blocking presence with that length of his. Those are 2 very useful elements....Think about Daye compared to what we lost with Novak and Copeland for a sec. I mean he may not been as pure a shooter at this point compared to Novak but man, his stroke is damn close. Then you're talking a guy that's 100% better in all other areas...And he's better than Copeland too. He's bigger than those guys, his height actually matters--he can put it to use unlike Novak and to a lesser degree Copeland, and he's a lot younger than either guy...Not sure how he'd fit here with Melo, Bargnani, MWP etc. but man, he'd be great as far an insurance and added depth go. All I want is for Woody to have a ton of options and combinations to go to AS WELL AS solid depth to draw from in case of injury...He's a guy that gives Woody options with that type of skill level. All this kid really needs is a team to give him a chance -- if Novak and Copeland are rotation players in the NBA, no question this kid could be as well. I like him better than both those guys overall honestly. Ceiling is flat out higher than both.

Would still need one more big power player. Daye's a big skill SF, not a banger/rebounder...

How 'bout these 4 guys to round out the roster:

(1) Bobby Brown - they've been working this angle and have built a relationship thusfar. Seal the deal now..Looks good -- he fills the need for a quicker PG that can also share in the scoring load. I trust them here -- get it done.

(2) Earl Barron - 7', excellent rebounder, he can shoot the mid-range J well -- backup center (he could also play some 4 too -- why not?) who's flat out underrated/undervalued player. He addresses whatever rebounding insufficiency we may still have all by himself. For a bargain-bin type guy -- this guy = quality and production. I might be the only one saying this -- if it came down to Earl Barron vs. K-Mart for one more big man, I'll take Barron. I think Barron could supply more production and a better +/- for the minutes played. Anything ever happen to Chandler too btw -- we'd have a legit, skilled 7' center to go to right away.

(3) Austin Daye - I think he's a quality player. Still a great deal of potential. Not sure how he fits right now but if he's willing to come here knowing there may not be steady PT right away, take him and figure it out afterward. With that skill set and potential, he's a steal on a minimum contract (esp. compared to what Novak & Copeland are being paid).

(4) Chris Douglas-Roberts - 1 more SG for insurance. I've always liked this guy's game and ability to put the ball in the hole. He's show he can excel at the NBA level. I like Toure Murry but if we take Brown, there's no need for another PG and as a big 2G to supply depth, I'd rather have CDR over the unknown Murry. I mean CDR could step right in and supplement a good bulk (if not all--if he ever got the commitment, shots and mins.) of JR Smith's offense. I think he's that good a scorer. What if JR Smith doesn't respond to knee surgery the way we all hope and we need to duplicate his scoring ? What if Shumpert doesn't take the step forward we all want to see? What if THJ proves to be overmatched at this level? If they think about stuff like this, CDR makes a ton of sense. He'd be a better get right now over Murry. Still bring Murry to camp and give him a chance (Tyler too)...If Murry outplays CDR, he gets the spot. He won't though..

Advanced stat wise I find it funny how he became a defensive force once he moved to Memphis. His WS went up to with minimal improvement statically. Someone more into that could probably break it down for me.

yellowboy90 wrote:I wouldn't put Daye in the Novak/Cope category. Novak's per 36 3pt rates are astronomically high and Cope shot 5+ 3pt FGAs per 36 which is somewhat in Daye's range. I would want to know why his 3pt % dip every other year. Novak did to early in his career but not as low, maybe its Daye's limited attempts.

Advanced stat wise I find it funny how he became a defensive force once he moved to Memphis. His WS went up to with minimal improvement statically. Someone more into that could probably break it down for me.

Never really noticed him when we've played against him- is he actually any good? His arms look very skinny, but it's odd someone his size and with his stats is still unsigned. How does he play? The highlight vids just seem to show him taking jump shots.

earthmansurfer wrote:Looks like Jeremy Tyler needs to get signed before another team does the same. He has come a long way in the last 2 years.
Chris Smith...

Reggie Bullock, another great game 8-15 shooting, 5 rebounds and 4 assists...

We didn't want another shooter, we let Copeland walk for a reason we only have one ball and it has Melo's name all over it.

I called this one everybody was jockeying for all these no name pg's and pf.

This guy played at North Carolina and knew who to knock down long range jump shots and he hits the boards. That stat line is, who he is Bullock had the all around game the knicks needed and he puts the ball in the basket consistently.

Reggie is averaging 17 pts per game along with 4.3 rebs

Briggs how did you miss this guy ???

BRIGGS wrote:I think after watching everything getting a feel for a lot of players--this is the way I would go.

I don't like Toure Murry as the third PG but I do like him as a potential combo guard. I don't think he has earned a contract but he has certainly earned an invite to camp.

I would sign Jeremy Tyler to the rookie 2+1 contract. The bottom line is Jeremy Tyler just turned 22 last month--meaning hes around the age of someone who just completed 4 years. If we had a 6-10 260 pound draft pick who played that good--there would be a lot of happy people here. Yes he is raw--but he has a lot of talent besides just being big. On top of which he can be a guy who can help now. He can be looked at as the third C behind Tyson and possibly Kenyon Martin.

Tim Hardaway showed enough that he should be able to be a player who can help now IF he plays within the system and plays smart--stays away from bad shots.

There were some things to like about CJ Leslie but much more not to. Hes not nBA ready--he needs to learn how to shoot he needs to focus on the 3 position and maybe the most important he has to play with speed energy and his incredible athletic ability--he barely showed it!! I know he may have but hurt--but I expect him to play high energy basketball block shots grab rebounds get out on the break steals etc... he played the direct opposite. Obviously he goes to camp--but in the next three months this man needs to work very very hard. I do not know if he makes the team.

I believe we missed out on what wouldve been our third PG in Buycks. We drafted David Lee 7 years ago. Jack Cooley looks very similar to david Lee in many ways. He might not have that quick second bounce Lee had--but he has longer arms than David and has the same powerful 6-9 250 pound body. He seems to play a better brand of defense and goes right to the spot of attack for rebounds on both ends. This guy is an NBA rebounder the same as a Paul Millspa Ken faried Davcid Lee etc...he's a steal. We have a PF in Amare that stands on shaky ground. All of these guys are FA---if you look at BPA Jack Cooley looks like plays like someone who shouldve been drafetd in round 1--just watrch him play hes consistent against his peers. Almost EVERY single player other than Kelly Olynck Victor Olapido and Cody Zeller has been vastly inconsistent . Not Jack Cooley Jack Cooley has played the same way every game--very very well. Hes a PER dream player--I guess thats why Memphis swiped him. 60% shooter double digit scoring and rebounding tough good FT shooter but has shown the ability to also knock down a 3 pt. Is this Bill Laimbeer? He could be--is he worth us signbing to a rookie FA contract YES. Can we beat any team to him We can if we want to. Out for the next month later

I likw Murry and think he would be a better fit for the Knicks because
of his DEF and ability to play 2 positions with JR's question mark wirh injury

I see a decent upside in him to grow into a player like Jarret Jack who can play 1,2, and 3
Generally agree with ur thoughts though

earthmansurfer wrote:

blkexec wrote:

playa2 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Looks like Jeremy Tyler needs to get signed before another team does the same. He has come a long way in the last 2 years.
Chris Smith...

Reggie Bullock, another great game 8-15 shooting, 5 rebounds and 4 assists...

We didn't want another shooter, we let Copeland walk for a reason we only have one ball and it has Melo's name all over it.

I called this one everybody was jockeying for all these no name pg's and pf.

This guy played at North Carolina and knew who to knock down long range jump shots and he hits the boards. That stat line is, who he is Bullock had the all around game the knicks needed and he puts the ball in the basket consistently.

Reggie is averaging 17 pts per game along with 4.3 rebs

Briggs how did you miss this guy ???

Bullock was supposed to be our pick. It was lined up that way during most of the pre-draft rankings. Plus, we had a hole at SF, already had Shump,JR,Felton at SG and Bullock is not only a knock down shooter, but a solid defender(Thought Woody loves defense?) that plays SG & SF....he played PF in college due to team injuries.

My guess is THj will be more of a dynamic slashing guard, with quicker 1 on 1 drives and explosiveness. Bullock is looking more like the next Allan Houston or Michael Redd type, with better defense.

I just don't see Hardaway becoming a better player than JR, in his prime. But at the 24th pick, if you can find a JR type, that’s a good deal. His defense is very suspect.

The way you described Tim Jr is how I envisioned him, more of a slasher who can also shoot. I would have picked Bullock as I take the two way player. We still got a nice player, Jr like with brains but bad shot selection. I just can't believe we passed on Bullock. He is shooting sooooo good already. Both Tim Jr and Bullock shot like they did in college, with JR showing more slashing, which is nice. I guess when Melo is out of the game it will be nice to have Tim Jr out there as he can create his own shot, but we have JR for that...

I have a feeling Tim Jr will be talked about very positively but that at the end of the year it will be clear we once again passed on the superior player.