mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If it's comical then why did you use the term?

"Top echelon" could mean "top 1%" or "top 10%" or something else. That's why I wasn't sure what to say.

Who introduced this term?

stop dancing

So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?

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mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

hahaha - IVERSON!!

too funny - and predictably inconsistent

hahaha - IVERSON

You mean the IVERSON that averaged 25ppg/7ast/3reb/2stl shot 46%/35%/80% career highs in Denver? You mean that IVERSON. Now take those numbers and stack them against todays comp he'd be in the SCUSSIN right?

Ironic enough the 2yrs Melo played with IVERSON those were Melo's 1st and 3rd best seasons of his career shooting from the floor overall

But since this hurts Melo's stance of actually playing with somebody now it's time to STAMP down Iverson along with all the rest of the players who pose a threat at how good Carmelo has been over the course of his NBA career. As I've maintained and still maintain...... players around Melo make him a better player not the other way around, same goes for Amar'e

good post dude, I mean we knew this was coming, how he was going to attack iverson.. heck he would find a way to knock a prime Jordan and Bird if it defended his argument.. LOL

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.

I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...

IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.

first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?

second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.

Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.

Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.

I am a huge steph curry fan, but i don't agree with that at all.. again, you guys keep harping on the game slowing down.. Denver can dictate pace if they want, you act as if slowing down will just affect the nuggets, quite a few teams in the west love to run as well, if they slow it down, then they also are not playing to their strengths as well.. ever consider that?

Slowing down won't just affect the Nuggets just feel that it will affect them the most.

do you watch denver play.... they run because they create turnovers.. if they can force you to turn the ball over, you won't stop them from running.. they are going to run.. playoffs or not..

Nope...I'm acutally a Knicks fan.

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.

I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...

IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.

first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?

second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.

Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.

Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.

I am a huge steph curry fan, but i don't agree with that at all.. again, you guys keep harping on the game slowing down.. Denver can dictate pace if they want, you act as if slowing down will just affect the nuggets, quite a few teams in the west love to run as well, if they slow it down, then they also are not playing to their strengths as well.. ever consider that?

Slowing down won't just affect the Nuggets just feel that it will affect them the most.

do you watch denver play.... they run because they create turnovers.. if they can force you to turn the ball over, you won't stop them from running.. they are going to run.. playoffs or not..

Nope...I'm acutally a Knicks fan.

try being a fan of the NBA, it may help when it comes to having a healthy, legit debate.... you can be a fan of the knicks and of the NBA.. try it.. believe me, it is liberating..

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

hahaha - IVERSON!!

too funny - and predictably inconsistent

hahaha - IVERSON

You mean the IVERSON that averaged 25ppg/7ast/3reb/2stl shot 46%/35%/80% career highs in Denver? You mean that IVERSON. Now take those numbers and stack them against todays comp he'd be in the SCUSSIN right?

Ironic enough the 2yrs Melo played with IVERSON those were Melo's 1st and 3rd best seasons of his career shooting from the floor overall

But since this hurts Melo's stance of actually playing with somebody now it's time to STAMP down Iverson along with all the rest of the players who pose a threat at how good Carmelo has been over the course of his NBA career. As I've maintained and still maintain...... players around Melo make him a better player not the other way around, same goes for Amar'e

Uh... Iverson wasn't on the Nuggets team that went to the WCF. The Nuggets traded Iverson to the Piston to get Billups. And yeah playing with another HOF'er will do wonders for any players game wouldn't you say? There isn't a player in the NBA that doesn't need help...ask Lebron.

You're only making this worse...

First of all Lebron went to the Finals beating a POTENT Pistons team and these were some of his teammates

Larry Hughes
Donyell Marshall
Sasha Pavlovic

Let That Marinate On You For A Second Or Three

Just Stop It...Like Cut It Out...Freeze! I Don't Want You To Do Anything Else But To Stay Motionless

The Nuggets traded IVERSON for BILLUPS you know the guy with CHAMPIONSHIP PEDIGREE and a FINALS MVP and TOP 10 MVP finisher multiple times in 2000, which means Melo actually played with some great ballers. It helped that the Nuggets drew a somewhat feebled Hornets team in the 1rst round and were 1 of the better seeds in the West.

Hey Glen Robsinson made it to an ECF....SO WHAT?

3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.

I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...

IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.

first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?

second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.

Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.

Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.

This statement is so Oscar Meyer

Why do the Nuggets have a better record than the Warriors?

The Nuggets have won only 3 more wins than the Warriors. Denver plays really really well at home but not so much on the road. G.S. has played the Nuggets tough all 3 times they played but neither team was at full strength when they played.

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.

I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...

IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.

first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?

second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.

Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.

Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.

This statement is so Oscar Meyer

Why do the Nuggets have a better record than the Warriors?

The Nuggets have won only 3 more wins than the Warriors. Denver plays really really well at home but not so much on the road. G.S. has played the Nuggets tough all 3 times they played but neither team was at full strength when they played.

were you not suppose to freeze? stay motionless? ???

then how did you write this post?

bad boy!

mrKnickShot wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.

I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...

IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.

first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?

second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.

Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.

Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.

This statement is so Oscar Meyer

Why do the Nuggets have a better record than the Warriors?

The Nuggets have won only 3 more wins than the Warriors. Denver plays really really well at home but not so much on the road. G.S. has played the Nuggets tough all 3 times they played but neither team was at full strength when they played.

were you not suppose to freeze? stay motionless? ???

then how did you write this post?

bad boy!

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If it's comical then why did you use the term?

"Top echelon" could mean "top 1%" or "top 10%" or something else. That's why I wasn't sure what to say.

Who introduced this term?

stop dancing

Are you serious? You introduced the term before I did. Scroll up buddy. I was repeating your term. Your quote:

So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?

yup you are right - sorry about that.

But to my point, you pretty much stated that very few superstars had supporting casts as good as he did. Right?

Do you really believe that?

Very few? Yes. Some have better supporting casts like Duncan had Parker and Ginobili. But he has had a better supporting cast than most "superstars." How many superstars do you think have supporting casts that could play at the .600 level for 59 games?

lets name a/the few

Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Allen
Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Shaq, Kobe, PJax
Shaq, Wade, PJax
Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Pop
Stockton, Malone, Sloan
Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, PJax
Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Riley
Bird, McHale, DJ, Ainge, Parish ...
Durant, Westbrook, Harden

I guess the very few that actually have the supporting cast that is better than Melo's actually won.

IVERSON - hahahahaha. Funny how people can hate Melo for the way he plays but defend Iverson because he had one good season in Denver. Agenda's much?

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

hahaha - IVERSON!!

too funny - and predictably inconsistent

hahaha - IVERSON

You mean the IVERSON that averaged 25ppg/7ast/3reb/2stl shot 46%/35%/80% career highs in Denver? You mean that IVERSON. Now take those numbers and stack them against todays comp he'd be in the SCUSSIN right?

Ironic enough the 2yrs Melo played with IVERSON those were Melo's 1st and 3rd best seasons of his career shooting from the floor overall

But since this hurts Melo's stance of actually playing with somebody now it's time to STAMP down Iverson along with all the rest of the players who pose a threat at how good Carmelo has been over the course of his NBA career. As I've maintained and still maintain...... players around Melo make him a better player not the other way around, same goes for Amar'e

Uh... Iverson wasn't on the Nuggets team that went to the WCF. The Nuggets traded Iverson to the Piston to get Billups. And yeah playing with another HOF'er will do wonders for any players game wouldn't you say? There isn't a player in the NBA that doesn't need help...ask Lebron.

You're only making this worse...

First of all Lebron went to the Finals beating a POTENT Pistons team and these were some of his teammates

Larry Hughes
Donyell Marshall
Sasha Pavlovic

Let That Marinate On You For A Second Or Three

Just Stop It...Like Cut It Out...Freeze! I Don't Want You To Do Anything Else But To Stay Motionless

The Nuggets traded IVERSON for BILLUPS you know the guy with CHAMPIONSHIP PEDIGREE and a FINALS MVP and TOP 10 MVP finisher multiple times in 2000, which means Melo actually played with some great ballers. It helped that the Nuggets drew a somewhat feebled Hornets team in the 1rst round and were 1 of the better seeds in the West.

Hey Glen Robsinson made it to an ECF....SO WHAT?

So how does this hurt my statement that all NBA players need help? Lebron is the best in the game and we all know that Melo is not Lebron. Obviously when Melo plays on a team with ballers he's going to do better. Put down the hateraide.

There is no Hatorade....stop trying to put Melo in the same breath as Lebron and then when evidence presents itself he's not.... backpedal and say well Melo isn't Lebron.

You said Lebron teamed up with Wade as in needing help...No Lebron went to the Finals without Wade and went to an ECF without Wade. You brought up Lebron

FACT Lebron and Iverson went to the Finals with pretty much zero stars and/or no All-Stars and both have been further than Melo multiple times with less help. I think Iverson played with Motumbo but it was an old Motumbo

FACT Melo has played with some perennial All-Star/MVP/DPOY/All-NBA Caliber players

FACT Melo is a career Post-Season Failure

So once it again it hurts your argument and what you said wasn't well said.

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mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,

I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,

They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.

Thats the way I remember it.

Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.

Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.

and you know this.. how?

carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...

This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..

hahaha - IVERSON!!

too funny - and predictably inconsistent

hahaha - IVERSON

You mean the IVERSON that averaged 25ppg/7ast/3reb/2stl shot 46%/35%/80% career highs in Denver? You mean that IVERSON. Now take those numbers and stack them against todays comp he'd be in the SCUSSIN right?

Ironic enough the 2yrs Melo played with IVERSON those were Melo's 1st and 3rd best seasons of his career shooting from the floor overall

But since this hurts Melo's stance of actually playing with somebody now it's time to STAMP down Iverson along with all the rest of the players who pose a threat at how good Carmelo has been over the course of his NBA career. As I've maintained and still maintain...... players around Melo make him a better player not the other way around, same goes for Amar'e

Uh... Iverson wasn't on the Nuggets team that went to the WCF. The Nuggets traded Iverson to the Piston to get Billups. And yeah playing with another HOF'er will do wonders for any players game wouldn't you say? There isn't a player in the NBA that doesn't need help...ask Lebron.

You're only making this worse...

First of all Lebron went to the Finals beating a POTENT Pistons team and these were some of his teammates

Larry Hughes
Donyell Marshall
Sasha Pavlovic

Let That Marinate On You For A Second Or Three

Just Stop It...Like Cut It Out...Freeze! I Don't Want You To Do Anything Else But To Stay Motionless

The Nuggets traded IVERSON for BILLUPS you know the guy with CHAMPIONSHIP PEDIGREE and a FINALS MVP and TOP 10 MVP finisher multiple times in 2000, which means Melo actually played with some great ballers. It helped that the Nuggets drew a somewhat feebled Hornets team in the 1rst round and were 1 of the better seeds in the West.

Hey Glen Robsinson made it to an ECF....SO WHAT?

So how does this hurt my statement that all NBA players need help? Lebron is the best in the game and we all know that Melo is not Lebron. Obviously when Melo plays on a team with ballers he's going to do better. Put down the hateraide.

There is no Hatorade....stop trying to put Melo in the same breath as Lebron and then when evidence presents itself he's not.... backpedal and say well Melo isn't Lebron.

You said Lebron teamed up with Wade as in needing help...No Lebron went to the Finals without Wade and went to an ECF without Wade. You brought up Lebron

FACT Lebron and Iverson went to the Finals with pretty much zero stars and/or no All-Stars and both have been further than Melo multiple times with less help. I think Iverson played with Motumbo but it was an old Motumbo

FACT Melo has played with some perennial All-Star/MVP/DPOY/All-NBA Caliber players

FACT Melo is a career Post-Season Failure

So once it again it hurts your argument and what you said wasn't well said.

DUDE! STOP! HANDS OUT OF YOUR POCKETS! FREEZE!

You obviously know nothing about the Iverson Sixer team (or about Iverson)

How old are you? Seriously. Did you watch Iverson throughout his career? If not, and you just glanced at his stats, anything arch a brow?