Allanfan20 wrote:I am agreeing with people who say don't trade Shumpert for Riddick(Ill join in on this with Holfresh bc it's fun.) Are we really saying that JJ is going to allow us to beat the Heat by trading Shumpert for him? I am thinking this isn't true.

If we are going to trade Shumpert, would it not make sense to let his value at least increase over the Summer? Riddick, Josh Smith and Jared Dudley aren't taking us over the top.

Talk about people who give up so easy.

Bonn1997 wrote:We're talking about a guy who averaged 9 points on 9 shots last year. Against college level competition, he was a sub 40% shooter too. Flashy skills like a euro step or good ball-handling don't matter if they don't help you put the ball in the basket. We just need to find a GM who buys into Shumpert's potential to the extent that many of the fans here do (or even half as much as they do).

So no chance he improves his perimeter shot? He's yet to play a full nba season btw

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Bonn1997 wrote:There's nothing great about shutting down your opponent if the opponent shuts you down even worse. I don't see anything from Shumpert's college or NBA career to indicate that he will ever be a good offensive player. Trading for Redick is a possibility although I don't see a way of making the salaries match and doing a trade I would support. But if we can find a GM who overrates Shumpert even half as much as most fans do here, we need to get the trade talks going with him.

Sounds like Chapter 1, Verse 1 of MDA's basketball bible...If we add Redick to Melo and Amare we still aren't outscoring the Heat or any of the top teams in the playoffs...Our only chance is to play the defense we did at the beginning of the season...Shrump has changed games with his defense...Redick is a bench player at best and highly overrated on this board...With all the explosive guards in the East, Redick and Kidd at the 2 will only get destroyed and no offense they can muster will cover any deficiencies our back court has...I opt for defense over offense, we tried it the other way the last 4 years...Again, why would the Knicks give up the best talent in a trade??

No, it's just basic mathematics. I don't overrate Redick. I see him simply as an average NBA shooting guard, but that's a big upgrade from what we have now. Redick's definitely not my first choice, even among reasonable options.

Calling him the average shooting guard is over rating him...
Here are a few:

Bradley Beal
DeMar DeRozen
OJ Mayo
Westley Mathews
Courtney Lee
Arron Afflalo
Klay Thompson
Tony Allen
Mota Ellis
JR Smith
JCrossover
Jason Richardson
Iamn Shrumpert
Marcus Thorton
Jordan Crawford
Gerald Henderson
Jason Terry
Kevin Martin
Avery Bradley
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Ray Allen
Paul George
Joe Johnson
Manu
Wade
Kobe
Harden
Iggy

I'm sure I could dig up another 5 or 7 if I put my mind to it...

Nick Young
Gordon Haywood
Danny Green
etc...

You know there are about 70 shooting guards in the league, right?

Ah...You are right..Why would I think you are talking about players who are relevant and gets playing time...When u throw in guys at the end of the bench on 10 day contracts, I guess Redick is a hot commodity...He is easily a NBA top 50 SG then..

Well that means he's at a higher level than Shumpert ever has been.

How do you figure that??..Shrump's first year numbers 9.5 pts per is more than Redick's seven year career average 9.2..U wanna compare their defensive games, which is why we drafted Shrump..Redick is in contract year avg 15 per on a lottery 15 win team...So he is going for his, jacking up more shots than his career totals..What's his numbers and game like playing alongside playoff caliber players?..I think we have seen that...Six year sample size not good enough??

gunsnewing wrote:Shump would easily average 15[ts on the lottery 15win Magic and he's still a Rook

Right.. U put a healthy Shrump on ORL and he easily put up those numbers as a rookie..

Bonn1997 wrote:We're talking about a guy who averaged 9 points on 9 shots last year. Against college level competition, he was a sub 40% shooter too. Flashy skills like a euro step or good ball-handling don't matter if they don't help you put the ball in the basket. We just need to find a GM who buys into Shumpert's potential to the extent that many of the fans here do (or even half as much as they do).

It's not a flashy skill Bonn. We are obviously not on the same page here and until you get your eyes out of the stat sheet, we never will. Lets just hope our gm isn't thinking like you.

Allanfan20 wrote:I agree his fg% needs to improve (one of the stats I do value) but unlike you, I think that will improve. I see no reason why it can't.