dk7th wrote:

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote:"gave denver the heads up" is half an argument.

what melo did harmed the knicks. the essence of unethical behavior is that it does harm to others. ethics and morals differ in that morality is related to ones values, which may coincide with harming others or it may not. i am almost certain you disagree with that opinion so we will have to agree to disagree.

garnett did something that can be considered immoral but in fact harmed nothing and noone save melo's feelings. of that i believe we can agree. or not.

i suspect that melo's wife lala was a major factor in impelling carmelo to not honor his contract with denver. ironic. now it looks as though karma may be insinuating itself, as it usually does, into ones life.

sure i have been critical of melo's game and i have also given praise when he has done something praiseworthy. too bad you missed that entire half of my analysis of his season thus far. as to my wishing failure on any knick that's an assumption that has no weight at all since i want the knicks to win. can you provide evidence that i want the knicks to lose? if not then i suggest you tone down the personal insults and attacks. there is no need for that kind of behavior.

What??? Are you on meds bro? What the hell is this?

In a free market framework, Melo was going to "harm" someone --- either the Nuggets or knicks by either leaving the nuggets as a free agent (didnt lebron become a pariah for this) or having the knicks pony up talent to acquire him. Thats lending far more credence to your ridiculous assertion than I should in the first place, given that this is a free market, not slavery, where entities operate on their own volition in order to maximize personal utility. How on earth can Melo be unethical, when he was simply operating within the business confines of the NBA, not to mention that, if anything, he was helping his former employer out? Pathetic take.

Im not even going to get into what you said next... this very weird and creepy tangent about Melo and his wife, somehow trying to excuse whatever KG may have said about his wife, because of some crazy hang up you have over the Den/knicks trade. You come across as extremely disturbed, given the reality free-conclusions you draw. You're obsessed with darkening every and anything Melo. I dont know why you have been tolerated around here for so long.

you remind me an awful lot of a number of posters on the realgm knick forum. one guy in particular named moocow especially. he was a moderator or a global mod and enjoyed throwing his weight around with impunity. i was not a fan. i was eventually banned from there but decided to keep the same username as i have nothing to hide and have nothing to be ashamed of, contrary to your regrettable and repeated attempts at character assassination.

i suggest you commiserate with moocow and godshamgod and the other fine fellows on realgm. you'd fit right in.

meantime i doubt very much that i will suffer a similar fate here as i have no intention of hurling personal insults at other posters or make bullying posts.

as to the actual content of your post: an employee should honor his contract. maybe you disagree with that idea. multimillionaires qua employees on contracts are not different in kind but in degree. lebron honored his contract and then decided to leave, harming the team he left behind but helping the team he was heading to. that was unfortunate but not unethical.

melo didn't do that. it's illogical to harm the team you are going to just as it is to not honor your contract. in essence he harmed two parties. and of course the only thing that trumps logic is selfishness. as to operating within the confines of the nba, your statement sounds very similar to mitt romney's explanation of paying 14% in taxes. not a good look. but of course neither romney nor melo can be accused of being in touch with the real world. in essence your take on matters is backwards in my opinion.

you see how i responded without any personal attacks and insults?

Since you brought up that other site...I have a question for you. I read that site from time to time but never post there. Anyway, someone quoted you over there and siged it. It reads, "If this deal goes down,this is my final post." Curious, what deal went down that enticed you to stop posting on a Knick forum???

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote:
you remind me an awful lot of a number of posters on the realgm knick forum. one guy in particular named moocow especially. he was a moderator or a global mod and enjoyed throwing his weight around with impunity. i was not a fan. i was eventually banned from there but decided to keep the same username as i have nothing to hide and have nothing to be ashamed of, contrary to your regrettable and repeated attempts at character assassination.

i suggest you commiserate with moocow and godshamgod and the other fine fellows on realgm. you'd fit right in.

meantime i doubt very much that i will suffer a similar fate here as i have no intention of hurling personal insults at other posters or make bullying posts.

as to the actual content of your post: an employee should honor his contract. maybe you disagree with that idea. multimillionaires qua employees on contracts are not different in kind but in degree. lebron honored his contract and then decided to leave, harming the team he left behind but helping the team he was heading to. that was unfortunate but not unethical.

melo didn't do that. it's illogical to harm the team you are going to just as it is to not honor your contract. in essence he harmed two parties. and of course the only thing that trumps logic is selfishness. as to operating within the confines of the nba, your statement sounds very similar to mitt romney's explanation of paying 14% in taxes. not a good look. but of course neither romney nor melo can be accused of being in touch with the real world. in essence your take on matters is backwards in my opinion.

you see how i responded without any personal attacks and insults?

You personally attack Melo and his character, and even include his wife in that invective --- so how you going to turn around and whine now when its boomeranged back at you? Im not interested in that real gm story you are martyring yourself over, but perhaps you might want to take a step back and ask yourself why you are so unpopular on the message boards you frequent.

Once again, your conclusions are completely disconnected from truth. Melo was honoring his deal --- he simply informed the Nuggets of his plans once the contract was up, and in the environment of the NBA, trades are a natural part of day-to-day operations. What are you trying to argue? Funny you bring up Romney (im shocked you are left in political orientation), because your posts read like a Fox News board. Instead of Obama being painted as the anti-christ, its Melo whom you obsessively attack and ridicule with twisted logic. Its terribly annoying to read on a Knick fan page --- if that bothers you, so what.

i hold an unpopular opinion. i have been plainspoken-- i have never like anthony's game and i don't approve of the way he got himself in a knick uniform, upsetting a plan and displacing lots of people. both his game and his actions translate to a vain and selfish person. as far as i am concerned the clock has been ticking on anthony since february 2011. he and his wife got exactly what they wanted and on their terms-- big money and a more glamorous address. i don't wish ill on him and his wife but you reap what you sow. i don't know why you have a problem with that.

he has a coach who has removed the burden of leadership from melo's shoulders. this coach also allows him to control the ball 34% of the time while he is involved in an assist 12% of the time. very atlanta-esque and a cause for concern. thank goodness he is hitting the 3 but look out if he starts missing those. he's defending better, making a few hustle plays, and occasionally making a pretty assist. still not my kind of player.

invective, martyr, whine, disconnected, obsessive, twisted

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote: the clock has been ticking on anthony since february 2011. he and his wife got exactly what they wanted and on their terms-- big money and a more glamorous address. i don't wish ill on him and his wife but you reap what you sow.

something is wrong with you

I have to agree. "Reap what you sow"?? Really? Just because you didnt like that trade?

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote: the clock has been ticking on anthony since february 2011. he and his wife got exactly what they wanted and on their terms-- big money and a more glamorous address. i don't wish ill on him and his wife but you reap what you sow.

something is wrong with you

I have to agree. "Reap what you sow"?? Really? Just because you didnt like that trade?

i don't approve of unethical people and unethical actions. at the same time it isn't unreasonable to assume that there are consequences to unethical actions.

hence my not liking the trade has nothing to do with the consequences of unethical actions.

You not liking the trade seems to be the reason you associate Melo's rumored marital problems with his "unethical" actions though

You spoke of "reaping what you sow". Truer words were never spoken. If you only post about the things you don't like about about this squad, the negatives, you shouldn't be surprised if you get nothing but negativity in return.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote: the clock has been ticking on anthony since february 2011. he and his wife got exactly what they wanted and on their terms-- big money and a more glamorous address. i don't wish ill on him and his wife but you reap what you sow.

something is wrong with you

I have to agree. "Reap what you sow"?? Really? Just because you didnt like that trade?

i don't approve of unethical people and unethical actions. at the same time it isn't unreasonable to assume that there are consequences to unethical actions.

hence my not liking the trade has nothing to do with the consequences of unethical actions.

You not liking the trade seems to be the reason you associate Melo's rumored marital problems with his "unethical" actions though

i didn't like the trade because i don't like melo's game or melo the player. his game is not unethical it's just not a winning brand of ball and i want winners on the knicks.

off the court i don't like unethical people and unethical actions. so i didn't approve of the WAY in which the trade occurred. i believe that there are consequences to unethical actions. maybe his marital issues are the karmic repercussions.

dk7th wrote:i believe that there are consequences to unethical actions. maybe his marital issues are the karmic repercussions.

You need help, doggy.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote: the clock has been ticking on anthony since february 2011. he and his wife got exactly what they wanted and on their terms-- big money and a more glamorous address. i don't wish ill on him and his wife but you reap what you sow.

something is wrong with you

I have to agree. "Reap what you sow"?? Really? Just because you didnt like that trade?

i don't approve of unethical people and unethical actions. at the same time it isn't unreasonable to assume that there are consequences to unethical actions.

hence my not liking the trade has nothing to do with the consequences of unethical actions.

You not liking the trade seems to be the reason you associate Melo's rumored marital problems with his "unethical" actions though

i didn't like the trade because i don't like melo's game or melo the player. his game is not unethical it's just not a winning brand of ball and i want winners on the knicks.

off the court i don't like unethical people and unethical actions. so i didn't approve of the WAY in which the trade occurred. i believe that there are consequences to unethical actions. maybe his marital issues are the karmic repercussions.

Ok in a previous post with sebstar, you stated that you thought it was unethical that Melo didnt honor his contract - right? You're now saying that karma has gotten to not - only Melo - but his wife? In being consistent with this logic, Chris Paul must have some bad karma coming his way too? He didnt honor his contract and become a free agent either. What about Amare? He did honor his contract and hes been through a crap load of stuff since he got here. DK what im trying to say is this whole things is subjective

Nalod wrote:Seb,

This had nothing to do with Lin or Gallo.

Try not to clump all posters in the same subset of "hate".

I said I like the guy. If you don't believe me theres not much sense typing some kind of proof. I don't get why he was afforded worship status right away. But thats my thing.

You know, If Melo lost it and went after him during the game thats understandable. But when you go to the locker room, then get dressed and wait at the bus its premeditated. so the suspension is justified. If he fought him he gets suspended also, maybe KG also but not if melo the only one to throw a punch.

Glad there was no fight. Not saying I agree, but I understand.

You dont have to prove anything to me --- based on what you wrote earlier you admitted to a certain animus towards Melo, and I think that influences your response to events involving him. This one in particular. Yes, I believe that if this incident had involved someone else, your reaction would be different. My opinion.

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:DK7th what about is it about this team that you do like? Is there anything that you enjoy about watching this team or is Melo all you want to talk about?

You spoke of "reaping what you sow". Truer words were never spoken. If you only post about the things you don't like about about this squad, the negatives, you shouldn't be surprised if you get nothing but negativity in return.

let me be clear: if other posters-- not you-- believe that i don't want the knicks to win then any fruitful dialogue is impossible. seems to me there are a lot of guys who believe i root for the knicks to fail. hence my critique is often spun. take a good close look at my signature if you want to see where my heart is.

i have spoken glowingly of jason kidd this season but oftentimes people want to stress the negative of what i write, forgetting that a critique will sometimes be critical.

i am a big fan of sheed and kidd. i love shumpert and can't wait to have him back. i admire chandler and hope he and camby get more time together. can't not like thomas. all these guys have various degrees of old school about them and i am a big fan of old school.

i am kind of indifferent to brewer and novak and copeland. prigioni is growing on me.

not a fan of felton, smith, or melo.

not a big fan of woodson either.

People believe that you're only focused on being negative by the sheer volume of posts regarding your dislike of Melo which far outweighs your posts on anything else. I'm glad there are things about this squad you do like. I'm not suggesting that you change your opinion of Melo or stop posting about him altogether. I am suggesting that there are 11 other players on this squad and I believe that you have made more than clear to everyone that you don't think much of him.

Your time spent here and your interactions with other posters might be more enjoyable if you spend more time sharing your enthusiasm for the rest of the team or at least what players you do like. Its your call.