fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:research. Yea... its like researching the negative impact abolition of slavery has caused this nation. There are lot of white supremicist orgs happy to provide detailed info. Or we could pick the jews who control the nations money (and movies!). Or I could offer you good 'research' that Islam is ruining the world. If you decide what you believe first, the research to prove it is pretty easy to come by, not matter how ridiculous or in poor taste.

Yes... Playa... please let me go back to sleep and you go back to posting videos of people claiming Obama's tears are fake because he knew and had a hand in this attack. nighty night fishy.

Do be careful, stumbling upon this info might get you dead. They are watching.

Not sure why playa makes you so exited.
He thinks that live is simple as a Comic book... not a biggy... a lot of people in US were raised on this.
Good guys... bad guys... boom...bamm...good guys beat the sheet of bad guys... happy endings!!!!

he doesnt usually. Ive posted here 10 plus years and have seen him banned for this stuff like once every 2 years.

I found posting a youtube video claiming Obama was fake crying as he had a part in the killings to be beyond bad taste. I found it blasphemy. Twisting facts around for attention. Horrible. There's poor taste and then there is something wrong. Honestly believing that is a red flag in itself.

First you think Obama is fake crying and had a part in the killings.
Next you organize and use propaganda.
Get some guns and shoot some lawmakers. Like that nice lady in Arizona Gifford(?) who was a dedicated public servant and was shot by some lunatic who no doubt did his own 'research'

Stay safe playa and dont hurt anyone please man. You want to find evil in the world there are better places to look.

He will be OK. He is from the bunch who are talking. But there are some who are listening... be careful playa. You never know how you word will echo.

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:Making guns illegal is a solution but I do not think it is a possibility in US.
It is possible to do and was done in totalitarian countries because to make it work you need a total control of people lives.
It was done in countries which are advanced enough to reject violence. US is surrey not - we embrace it in movies, comic books, video games, sports, entertainment. So we collectively get what we are asking for.
In US this ban will only lead to creation of all-powerful gun mafia same as it did with boos and drags.
Mafia will get the biggest gains from this ban.
Every kid can get drugs from drug dealers any time he want in any place in this country. He just need money and sometimes he will get drugs for free to make him an addict and a "good customer" in the future.Why this will be different with guns?
We need to stop glorify violence even if violence is done by "good guys" and "superheros". Can we?
I am not sure. It is much more difficult that just ban the guns.

ahhh... no, no they cant. Again, more totally fabricated notions to support an opnion.

You want drugs you have to look and ask, and that looking and asking alone may lead to you getting caught. Yes, in high school (80s) weed and beer were mostly available if you knew someone with an older sybling or connection. Anything harder was rare, and if you got desperate for weed and had go buy off the street you were at pretty big risk of getting caught, getting your ass kicked or getting ripped off. So no, any kid that says "lets get high" cant just go out and do it. Sorry.

Mentall illness is a much bigger issue.

Its not the mafia and drug guns that are the problem. Those are mostly used on other mafia and drug gangs/dealers.

I agree that this small provincial places have less drag availability but in NY, NJ, LA... you go to certain place and you will find drug dealer at every corner.
Yes you can get in trouble by asking... but with guns when somebody determined to go on shooting spree... he will take chance to ask.
Guns are banned in Russia but terrorist came to school in Beslan and killed hundreds of people, mostly kids.
There are better solutions but they are costly.
For example with all the endless Jihad and Islamic terror attacks that hit Israel, kids in schools are safe because every school has armed guards at points of entry. People never barge into schools in Israel and start a shooting rampage. They would be shot and killed immediately. You cannot murder children in Israeli schools because the adults treat them like the priceless treasures they are.
We do have guards in NYC schools especially in bad neighborhoods so why not to make it a requirement. It will be a good use of Army and Reserve to serve the society and will create a lot of jobs in security firms.

agree... but your examples are not good because they have little relevence here. The Russian attack came in an area of a hundred years of ethnic hate and violence. The Israeli school example also doesnt fit as they are a military state and under constant attack of that nature.

And I live in NJ, and if you dont know someone you have to go to an area of very high risk if you want to buy drugs off a street. There's a damn good chance that dopey rich kids driving around slummy areas in nice cars asking random dudes where they can get some hooch are gonna get caught and fast. It *seems* easy but its not that easy and its high risk. The deterent works (breaking the law).

Its got to be harder to get these types of weapons. They were all legally aquired. You cant stop this crime, but the laws work and the evidence cant be refuted. There is no solution, but it doesnt mean there cant be progress. (assuming fake crying Obamo doesnt order more attacks on children to push his legislation)

Israel is not a military state. You probably never visited otherwise you will now that this is liberal propoganda nonsense.
Israely people are bearing arms to protect their state and their people from enemies who cannot accept their existence.
Is it the same as we Americans are stand for and were made of?
There is no middle ground here - or we all have rights to protect themselves with guns or nobody has.
Instead we as society want to come up with some "politically correct" solution to please everybody.
Time to stop this bs and make a decision what is more important and essential - freedom or security.

no... never been to Israel. Have some friends who have an and served in the army as that is mandatory. It is a 100% a military state. Just check the population vs the size of the army and military resources. Yes, its for their protection for the reasons you mention. My point is simply they have a threat the US does not.

There's always a middle ground. Concessions can be made by both sides. Its legal to drink and drive right? Its legal to look at porn right? Its legal to own a firearm right? But can I get loaded and drive? Can I look at porn of 14 year old girls? Can I leave my firearm loaded in the glove comp just in case? Yes to all, but I face the law, and those laws catch people and work. Nothing will ever stop folks from doing what they want, but a guy with 50 guns was just taken into custody, kiddie porn trafficers are jailed and those who look at the material are at risk and often caught and drunk drivers are caught and those deaths have dropped since those laws took place.

Military state is not the state where everybody have to and by the way like to join the army but state which is controlled by military
commanders. Israel is democratic state controlled by elected government. Army is what they must use to exist.
Cannot agree more - the lows are working but they cannot prevent every shooting and every crime. To have a low is not enough.
The society must change to stop promoting and commercializing violence. People with weak minds cannot stop playing the computer game or watch action movie and take or to the street or to the school. You cannot bun all of this by creating new lows and bans.
It's a good old thing - "All we need is Love, Love is all we need"

Agree 100% on the love part also man. Understanding and compassion is where it must start, but those are not gov instilled values, they are community. I dont have the answer there, except as parent I take responsibility for my kids. I was lucky to grow up in a house free of racism and hate. Im passing that along. Some are not so lucky, and some are just broken. Action is always important though, even if its effectiveness is in question.

Anji wrote:All things equal I'd rather live in playas world then under some government controlled marshal law.

Like I on the first day, I don't think this anything to do with guns or entertainment.

You look at the situation and you have a person wanting to inflict pain, a forum for pain and a place to maxim the pain dealt.

Basically the reason why these people go to these schools and such to inflict the pain they feel they have endured is because they know there will be many people their that can't fight back.

Logic dictates that in response you turn the entire population of law abiding citizens into a zone where people can't fight back???

Makes little sense to me.

This has nothing to do with guns? It obviously has something to do with guns because guns were attainted and used by someone not fit to carry them to carry out a crime, and a gun allowed him to escape capture and trial via suicide. Come on.

Equating the desire for gun control with martial law is hyperbole. And again, if you believe that trope about needed an armed citizenry to protect ourselves against a government capable of all the dastardly things it has actually done and folks playa references is accusing it of doing... sounds like they are gonna win no matter what. Good luck defending your homestead with your Bushmaster against a drone strike.

Now these people are so sick , they will use children to get your guns away from even you law abiding citizens.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote:I never said President Obama was in on it , Fishmike your getting desperate trying to twist words trying to paint me as a Anti -American. I served my country proudly and was willing to die for it. Let's agree to disagree my friend. Just by studying the history of our country on we have ran false flag events for a greater agenda. Ever heard of Operation northwoods ? I bet not ! Google it and get a clue.

Now these people are so sick , they will use children to get your guns away from even you law abiding citizens.

Again: what is the threat of even a large cache of civilian weapons in the hands of competent amateurs versus the United States Armed Forces? I'm not sure the Government is out to do everything you think it is, but if it is, I say they've already won. If they would kill kids to accomplish your goals, why would they be scared of small arms?

And I don't even need much more than COINTELPRO to imagine what the US Government has done and is capable of in terms of counterintelligence against US citizens. But if all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail. If you have a fundamental distrust of this country's government, everything is a conspiracy.

If you have worked for the government(military) , you know what they are capable of ,most civilians wouldn't understand. I will guarantee one day unfortunately we will have a civil war in this country.

Men and women will not surrender their guns even if they pass a law, it will be a blood bath in the streets of America all in the name of control.

This was a trial run of confiscation of weapons in America after Hurricane Katrina.

This was just a test to see if there would be any resistance.

You're talking about people that have devolve into predators.
A person kills his mother and young kids, the problem goes deep then what he used. These are things that go against humanity. Goes deeper to me than disarming normal people. Even criminals kill for a

And predators go for the easiest kills, sad to say, but it would have been quicker for this guy to go door to door and make his point. But he went some place where he knew he would have the upper hand. This sicko doesn't know if there is a gun on the other side of this door.

You see these guys coping each other, seeming one uping each other for the attention too.

Columbine is basically a holiday, you don't think the next person on the brink doesn't see the attention this senseless attack has given.

"Arm every school", why not??? The gunmen go to gun free areas to prove their point for a reason.

And when it comes to the government, as a black person, I never can forget Black wall street. The question isn't if the government will attack it's own citizens, but when.

skeng wrote:It's still somewhat unclear what your point is playa? The government set up all the shootings since Columbine? What is the gain in those?

And the video you just posted is called "NRA: The Untold etc.". That doesn't hint at any bias?

Anji wrote:Affluent or well off young males looking to deal with mental anguish by dealing physical pain on the defenseless, has nothing to do with guns or entertainment.

You're talking about people that have devolve into predators.
A person kills his mother and young kids, the problem goes deep then what he used. These are things that go against humanity. Goes deeper to me than disarming normal people. Even criminals kill for a

And predators go for the easiest kills, sad to say, but it would have been quicker for this guy to go door to door and make his point. But he went some place where he knew he would have the upper hand. This sicko doesn't know if there is a gun on the other side of this door.

You see these guys coping each other, seeming one uping each other for the attention too.

Columbine is basically a holiday, you don't think the next person on the brink doesn't see the attention this senseless attack has given.

"Arm every school", why not??? The gunmen go to gun free areas to prove their point for a reason.

And when it comes to the government, as a black person, I never can forget Black wall street. The question isn't if the government will attack it's own citizens, but when.

If the US government start a full on war with it's own citizens, then you probably have the stupidest government in the world. Also, World War 3 would probably ensue shortly after that.

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote:I never said President Obama was in on it , Fishmike your getting desperate trying to twist words trying to paint me as a Anti -American. I served my country proudly and was willing to die for it. Let's agree to disagree my friend. Just by studying the history of our country on we have ran false flag events for a greater agenda. Ever heard of Operation northwoods ? I bet not ! Google it and get a clue.

Now these people are so sick , they will use children to get your guns away from even you law abiding citizens.

Again: what is the threat of even a large cache of civilian weapons in the hands of competent amateurs versus the United States Armed Forces? I'm not sure the Government is out to do everything you think it is, but if it is, I say they've already won. If they would kill kids to accomplish your goals, why would they be scared of small arms?

And I don't even need much more than COINTELPRO to imagine what the US Government has done and is capable of in terms of counterintelligence against US citizens. But if all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail. If you have a fundamental distrust of this country's government, everything is a conspiracy.

If people believe everything the media tells them along with the govt talking heads, then they have you right where they want you (Scared & Naive)

...and buying whatever it is they are hawking during the commercial breaks.

You see a sinister top-down conspiracy amongst us, it seems. You are part of the enlightened. Those around you are the scared, blinded, naive sheep. You know what another word for enlightened is? Illuminati. I find it funny how those who see this light seem to act like this.

I see a multitude of motives, largely lead by profit and power motives. But if you think I going to feel safer having a large cache of weapons in the hands of a veteran who feel the need to arm themselves against the very same government they served for... you actually just gave me another thing to worry about. No offense intended. But if it was the olden days, I probably would have just ended up a Quaker.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote:I never said President Obama was in on it , Fishmike your getting desperate trying to twist words trying to paint me as a Anti -American. I served my country proudly and was willing to die for it. Let's agree to disagree my friend. Just by studying the history of our country on we have ran false flag events for a greater agenda. Ever heard of Operation northwoods ? I bet not ! Google it and get a clue.

Now these people are so sick , they will use children to get your guns away from even you law abiding citizens.

Again: what is the threat of even a large cache of civilian weapons in the hands of competent amateurs versus the United States Armed Forces? I'm not sure the Government is out to do everything you think it is, but if it is, I say they've already won. If they would kill kids to accomplish your goals, why would they be scared of small arms?

And I don't even need much more than COINTELPRO to imagine what the US Government has done and is capable of in terms of counterintelligence against US citizens. But if all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail. If you have a fundamental distrust of this country's government, everything is a conspiracy.

If people believe everything the media tells them along with the govt talking heads, then they have you right where they want you (Scared & Naive)

...and buying whatever it is they are hawking during the commercial breaks.

You see a sinister top-down conspiracy amongst us, it seems. You are part of the enlightened. Those around you are the scared, blinded, naive sheep. You know what another word for enlightened is? Illuminati. I find it funny how those who see this light seem to act like this.

I see a multitude of motives, largely lead by profit and power motives. But if you think I going to feel safer having a large cache of weapons in the hands of a veteran who feel the need to arm themselves against the very same government they served for... you actually just gave me another thing to worry about. No offense intended. But if it was the olden days, I probably would have just ended up a Quaker.

Money profits ? They already have that, when people have enough money for themselves and their grand kids kids. The only motivation they have is controlling people's lives.

Let Brooklyn native Aaron Russo tell ya why they think this way !