knickscity wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Put Lebron on the Knick last year and he doesn't get out of the first round with Landry Fields, Tony Douglas and a broken down Baron Davis in the backcourt, Put Melo on the Heat with Bosh and Wade and he wins a championship as well in my opinion, give Melo a break already look at the crap he team he has played with the last 2 years with Amare being hurt.

This is false on both ends.

I'm glad Melo is here, but leBron is a gamechanger.

LeBron took less to the finals than what the Knicks had last year.

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Put Lebron on the Knick last year and he doesn't get out of the first round with Landry Fields, Tony Douglas and a broken down Baron Davis in the backcourt, Put Melo on the Heat with Bosh and Wade and he wins a championship as well in my opinion, give Melo a break already look at the crap he team he has played with the last 2 years with Amare being hurt.

This is false on both ends.

I'm glad Melo is here, but leBron is a gamechanger.

LeBron took less to the finals than what the Knicks had last year.

+∞

I'm a big Melo fan but give me a break. Melo is a very good player who will probably make the Hall of Fame when he retires; Lebron is historically great and will be discussed with Jordan, Magic, Bird and the other all time great players. And that's not a knock on Melo, Lebron blows everyone away and is easily the best player since Jordan retired; that includes Shaq, Kobe, Duncan and anyone else you want to name.

I wouldn't say Lebron is easily the best player. Maybe more talented but those 3 guys you mentioned have strong cases as being better players than him. 1 championship won and a couple seasons of MVPs doesn't place him there.

Matter of fact it's real simple....

If you rank your All-Time list of greatest players does Lebron finish ahead of Shaq/Kobe/Duncan?

3G4G wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Put Lebron on the Knick last year and he doesn't get out of the first round with Landry Fields, Tony Douglas and a broken down Baron Davis in the backcourt, Put Melo on the Heat with Bosh and Wade and he wins a championship as well in my opinion, give Melo a break already look at the crap he team he has played with the last 2 years with Amare being hurt.

This is false on both ends.

I'm glad Melo is here, but leBron is a gamechanger.

LeBron took less to the finals than what the Knicks had last year.

+∞

I'm a big Melo fan but give me a break. Melo is a very good player who will probably make the Hall of Fame when he retires; Lebron is historically great and will be discussed with Jordan, Magic, Bird and the other all time great players. And that's not a knock on Melo, Lebron blows everyone away and is easily the best player since Jordan retired; that includes Shaq, Kobe, Duncan and anyone else you want to name.

I wouldn't say Lebron is easily the best player. Maybe more talented but those 3 guys you mentioned have strong cases as being a better players than him. 1 championship won and a couple seasons of MVPs doesn't place him there.

Matter of fact it's real simple....

If you rank your All-Time list of greatest players does Lebron finish ahead of Shaq/Kobe/Duncan?

He's already better than Kobe as far as I'm concerned; Kobe only won 1 MVP and I would argue that it should have gone to KG or CP3 that year, Lebron has won 3 and will win more before he's done; Kobe's won 5 championships, sure, but he was the second best player for 3 of them and I could argue that he was the second best player on all 5 teams, Lebron has never been the second best player on his team; finally, if you swapped Kobe and Lebron I believe LA is at least as good and they probably win several more championships. On the other hand, we've already seen what Kobe plays like and what his teams are like when he doesn't have one of the best post players in the league playing next to him so those Cleveland teams probably aren't going anywhere and he most likely ends up with the same kind of reputation as Tracy McGrady.

As for Shaq and Duncan, Lebron might not be at their levels quite yet but I believe he'll get there. At worst, I think Lebron will go down as the 4th best player of all time behind MJ, Magic, and Bird. In all likelihood though, I think there will be a lot of arguments in bars across the country about who the greatest player of all time is, Jordan or Lebron.

VCoug wrote:

3G4G wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Put Lebron on the Knick last year and he doesn't get out of the first round with Landry Fields, Tony Douglas and a broken down Baron Davis in the backcourt, Put Melo on the Heat with Bosh and Wade and he wins a championship as well in my opinion, give Melo a break already look at the crap he team he has played with the last 2 years with Amare being hurt.

This is false on both ends.

I'm glad Melo is here, but leBron is a gamechanger.

LeBron took less to the finals than what the Knicks had last year.

+∞

I'm a big Melo fan but give me a break. Melo is a very good player who will probably make the Hall of Fame when he retires; Lebron is historically great and will be discussed with Jordan, Magic, Bird and the other all time great players. And that's not a knock on Melo, Lebron blows everyone away and is easily the best player since Jordan retired; that includes Shaq, Kobe, Duncan and anyone else you want to name.

I wouldn't say Lebron is easily the best player. Maybe more talented but those 3 guys you mentioned have strong cases as being a better players than him. 1 championship won and a couple seasons of MVPs doesn't place him there.

Matter of fact it's real simple....

If you rank your All-Time list of greatest players does Lebron finish ahead of Shaq/Kobe/Duncan?

He's already better than Kobe as far as I'm concerned; Kobe only won 1 MVP and I would argue that it should have gone to KG or CP3 that year, Lebron has won 3 and will win more before he's done; Kobe's won 5 championships, sure, but he was the second best player for 3 of them and I could argue that he was the second best player on all 5 teams, Lebron has never been the second best player on his team; finally, if you swapped Kobe and Lebron I believe LA is at least as good and they probably win several more championships. On the other hand, we've already seen what Kobe plays like and what his teams are like when he doesn't have one of the best post players in the league playing next to him so those Cleveland teams probably aren't going anywhere and he most likely ends up with the same kind of reputation as Tracy McGrady.

As for Shaq and Duncan, Lebron might not be at their levels quite yet but I believe he'll get there. At worst, I think Lebron will go down as the 4th best player of all time behind MJ, Magic, and Bird. In all likelihood though, I think there will be a lot of arguments in bars across the country about who the greatest player of all time is, Jordan or Lebron.

I won't argue that, it is simple for me.. MJ... mike said something that really got my attention.. He said what will seperate him from the others is that he never lost in the finals..6-0, Magic, Bird, hakeem, shaq,all lost in the finals. now Duncan I think hasn't lost in the finals, but I don't think he is on MJ's level and he doesn't have 6 rings as well...

How could anyone NOT want to trade Melo for any pile of steaming crap?

Sheehit, I'd trade Melo and his 25ppg or so for any three NBDL rejects right this second!!! Who wants to score baskets, anyway? Scoring points is always soooooooooooooo overrated. I seen statistics that show 9 times out of 10, that the team that scores the least points all the time, but has a better FG%, wins it all anyway!

Why, I'd trade Melo if only to get MDA to back out of his 4 year with the Lakers, to get Gallo back, to get the Mayor back, to get Moz back, and to finish next to last in the basement so we can build a team the PROPER way, by stockpiling high first rounders for a few years and creating CAP SPACE!!! Maybe even Walsh would come back! Maybe...just maybe...[could I even dream] Lin would demand a trade to come back home!!!

Who the FUHUCK wants to watch playoff basketball games anyway???

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

Bingo... great post.... you pretty much nailed it. We gave up a lot of options. And really didn't end up with a True star player... we could have kept the kids, and still signed a jason kidd, marcus camby,etc....

look at guys like Bynum, dwight and Cp3 moving teams... we lost our flexibility and a chance to get that true franchise talent or be in position to add multiple high end players...

water under the bridge I guess.. this has been beaten to death of course , but as you said.. typical troll thread...

You can put Lebron on anyteam in the league he gets them to the playoffs.

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

You know if the Knicks didn't make the Melo trade Lin never ends up in NY and Felton never leaves.

I can agree with this line of thinking. I don't believe D'AnToni would have been this desperate looking for a backup point. Probably no Novak or J.R. although at least 1 fit D'AToni's bill. Regardless the principle remains such players could have been acquired if needed had the trade not taken place.

The 2 questions marks are....

does Amar'e break down(probably not absolute)

does Gallo and/or Will get injured(probably not absolute)

is Shumpert healthy (possibly)

What would offset those potential negative situations is the depth and flexibility to acquire players to fill in.

Knixkik wrote:

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

This post is very incorrect. We would get a legit star other than Melo? Who? These guys aren't waiting until free agency anymore. Vets like Kidd may not have come here if they didn't feel this team had a legit chance to compete. And Lin would not be here because we would have Felton. We would also not be under the salary cap because players like Gallo and Chandler would have needed to be paid. Saying these things is like saying we would have won the lottery and drafted a instant star player. People here are living in the "best case scenario world" assuming these things would have happened if we never traded for Melo. Dolan has not been a good owner, but i won't hold this against him just because of a 5% chance of some of these things coming true if he didn't make the trade. Very high likelood we would be overpaying role players and being well over the cap if we never got Melo. We would not be 4-0 right now, we would just be a .500 ball club with a chance to get to the playoffs, but not do anything when we get there. But everyone would be happy because we have draft picks that can hopefully turn into decent players right? And cap space that can hopefully turn into another star player right? SMH.