Melo didn't have a particularly bad scoring game if you take into account that this was a road game and the refs swallowed their whistles on a lot of drives where he made contact with defenders. And of course Melo was bound to be swatted a couple of times with Duncan roaming the paint.

Honestly, there's no winning for Carmelo with some of you. He forces shots over that defense and has a bad shooting night, he gets crucified and the Knicks lose, causing him to get further blame. He gets the ball, studies the defense and swings the ball around to his teammates, initiating further ball movement and creating better shot opportunities, and blind NBA fans say he made no impact on the game. Melo's been racking up hockey assists like crazy this year and when he only has 1-2 assists on the stat sheet, blind fans still want to call him a black hole. The Knicks finally have players that strive to make the extra pass; the offense is very much fluid despite Melo getting his iso touches and that's because it's Melo that is facilitating the offense from the post due to the attention he receives from opposing defenses.

You wanna call JR our MVP? Felton? Kidd? whatever

But this team doesn't do squat without opposing defenses gameplanning for Melo, freeing up JR, Felton and the pick-and-roll to strive in lesser defensive coverage.

tkf wrote:really I didn't bother reading all of this..

tkf wrote:but from I am reading, when carmelo plays bad, I need to point out the flaws of gallo and lin everytime..

tkf wrote: truth is, you guys talk about gallo more than I do.. your post is prime example..

tkf wrote: Again, what is the point of posting the knicks record and carmelo stats, the trade is so much bigger than that for me

tkf wrote: Do you think for one minute that I just don't like carmelo at all?

tkf wrote: My so called hatred should be of no concern to you..

tkf wrote:Your constant kool aid drinking and homerism makes it hard to have enjoyable dialouge when everything leads back to carmelo..

And I'm pretty sure that your personal pride and/or Melo hatred has made it hard for you to admit the fact that Melo's our franchise leader and the center piece of a potentially great Knicks team here in 2012-2013. Melo has led us to a 6-0 record. Without Melo, none of this is possible.

airchibundo507 wrote:The Spurs have a very predictable way of guarding Carmelo. Every time he touches the ball in his sweet spot on the elbow, the ENTIRE defense reacts and takes a step or two towards him. Is it a blatant double team? No. Not unless Melo puts the ball on the floor and gets in the paint, where a big man will be waiting for him and daring him to shoot.

Melo didn't have a particularly bad scoring game if you take into account that this was a road game and the refs swallowed their whistles on a lot of drives where he made contact with defenders. And of course Melo was bound to be swatted a couple of times with Duncan roaming the paint.

Honestly, there's no winning for Carmelo with some of you. He forces shots over that defense and has a bad shooting night, he gets crucified and the Knicks lose, causing him to get further blame. He gets the ball, studies the defense and swings the ball around to his teammates, initiating further ball movement and creating better shot opportunities, and blind NBA fans say he made no impact on the game. Melo's been racking up hockey assists like crazy this year and when he only has 1-2 assists on the stat sheet, blind fans still want to call him a black hole. The Knicks finally have players that strive to make the extra pass; the offense is very much fluid despite Melo getting his iso touches and that's because it's Melo that is facilitating the offense from the post due to the attention he receives from opposing defenses.

You wanna call JR our MVP? Felton? Kidd? whatever

But this team doesn't do squat without opposing defenses gameplanning for Melo, freeing up JR, Felton and the pick-and-roll to strive in lesser defensive coverage.

Don't sweat it....For me, I didn't even notice Melo was having a bad shooting night until the announcer said he was...The only thing I saw was Melo trying to make the right play when SA doubled and clog the lane...I was thinking, who the heck is this guy making the extra pass...Nice quick looks...Refs were letting them play last night so players had to adjust...I'll take 3-12 the rest of the season if we keep winning...This is about the win...TEAM...If he goes 12-12 and loses who the hell cares....The basketball world is shook up now because we beat SA in SA...Winning!!!!!!

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:really I didn't bother reading all of this..

Yea, right, because the truth hurts.

tkf wrote:but from I am reading, when carmelo plays bad, I need to point out the flaws of gallo and lin everytime..

No, but you could at least admit that you've been wrong in regards to the Gallo for Melo trade and/or apologize to our fan base for the two (plus) years that you've stated that our future was "bleak" with Melo as our center piece moving forward, that Denver got the "better end of the trade", how Melo would "hold our franchise/team back" etc, etc. Let's not act like you haven't either, because I can always dig those post's up (right after the Melo trade) in order to prove just how wrong you've been and really were, but would rather not.

tkf wrote: truth is, you guys talk about gallo more than I do.. your post is prime example..

I myself personally pretty much never talk Gallo. I've rarely even mentioned Gallo's name since he's been in Denver. During the times I have talked about Gallo, it's because of posters such as yourself. Gallo has been replaced by a scoring phenom in Melo (an upgrade). Wilson Chandler has been replaced by a 6th Man of the Year type of contneder/talent in J.R Smith (an upgrade). A Russian project in Timofey Mozgov has since been replaced by our reigning Defensive Player of the Year in Tyson Chandler (another upgrade). A Championship winning Center at that. Felton, a big piece of the Melo trade (in which you hated) has now returned back to the Knicks (as if he never left). The joke is on you man. Your personal pride and/or hatred for Melo won't allow yourself to admit that you've been wrong. You're like the Charles Barkley of Knick fans.

tkf wrote: Again, what is the point of posting the knicks record and carmelo stats, the trade is so much bigger than that for me

You should ask yourself that very same question. It's because dating back to the Melo addition, you've since acted as if our franchise took a step in the wrong dirrection (due to the loss of Gallo). But yet, now you're trying to act as if the past never happened and/or the talking up of Gallo over Melo never happened? We should stop talking talking about the Knicks record with Melo as both our center piece and franchise player? It's not that easy TKF. It'll become very difficult to take your thoughts and/or basketball insight serious unless/until you admit that you've been wrong in regards to the trade.

tkf wrote: Do you think for one minute that I just don't like carmelo at all?

That's my point. Exactly. Do you think for a second, that as a fan base, we don't know you have a strong dislike for Melo? Then, why state the obvious 24/7? Why tell us something that we already know? Why remind us of the fact you can't stand Melo each and every chance you get? You digg. You dig some more. And you'll dig until you can no longer dig in regards to Melo. Instead of enjoying Melo as our franchise leader who's led us to a 6-0 start for the first time since 1993-1994, you just had to dig up his numbers from last night because of a bad performance, but yet, you hide under a rock when Melo explodes. You refuse to post his box score numbers during his strong nights. It's getting really old.

tkf wrote: My so called hatred should be of no concern to you..

But it is a concern TFK. You make it a concern. You've always made Gallo vs Melo a big time Knicks topic of discussion. It's a concern when I'm a new poster here, have never even visitied this forum in years past, and in less than 3-4 days notice how Knick fans, just like over at RGM, are calling you out as a Gallo fanboy. You talked up Gallo in order to harp over Melo at RGM. And now I see it's happening here. This my friend, is no coincidence.

tkf wrote:Your constant kool aid drinking and homerism makes it hard to have enjoyable dialouge when everything leads back to carmelo..

And I'm pretty sure that your personal pride and/or Melo hatred has made it hard for you to admit the fact that Melo's our franchise leader and the center piece of a potentially great Knicks team here in 2012-2013. Melo has led us to a 6-0 record. Without Melo, none of this is possible.

But it is a concern TFK. You make it a concern. You've always made Gallo vs Melo a big time Knicks topic of discussion. It's a concern when I'm a new poster here, have never even visitied this forum in years past, and in less than 3-4 days notice how Knick fans, just like over at RGM, are calling you out as a Gallo fanboy. You talked up Gallo in order to harp over Melo at RGM. And now I see it's happening here. This my friend, is no coincidence.

it shouldn't be, there are a lot of other feel good threads in here you can participate in.. I made a comment about carmelo, not gallo. what does my comment have to do with gallo.. It is funny, you say they call me out as a gallo fanboy.. I call them melo fanboys.. whats the difference? Now show me since you have been here, where I have talked up gallo? Again, you are just picking up on the melo fanboys and repeating their drivel... if anything I talked down the trade, I talked down letting lin go..... Your argument is without any merit and you are just trying to piggy back on other people's problem with me not liking the direction of this team.. Just admit it..

No, but you could at least admit that you've been wrong in regards to the Gallo for Melo trade and/or apologize to our fan base for the two (plus) years that you've stated that our future was "bleak" with Melo as our center piece moving forward, that Denver got the "better end of the trade", how Melo would "hold our franchise/team back" etc, etc. Let's not act like you haven't either, because I can always dig those post's up (right after the Melo trade) in order to prove just how wrong you've been and really were, but would rather not.

LOL you have to be kidding.. apologize my azz... the future is bleak.. no picks, no young players to build with. do you call our future bright? our window is short, and if we don't win a ring over the next year or two, which most fans on this site, pro melo or not don't feel we have the team to beat the heat.. then tell me, how am I wrong?

I myself personally pretty much never talk Gallo. I've rarely even mentioned Gallo's name since he's been in Denver. During the times I have talked about Gallo, it's because of posters such as yourself. Gallo has been replaced by a scoring phenom in Melo (an upgrade). Wilson Chandler has been replaced by a 6th Man of the Year type of contneder/talent in J.R Smith (an upgrade). A Russian project in Timofey Mozgov has since been replaced by our reigning Defensive Player of the Year in Tyson Chandler (another upgrade). A Championship winning Center at that. Felton, a big piece of the Melo trade (in which you hated) has now returned back to the Knicks (as if he never left). The joke is on you man. Your personal pride and/or hatred for Melo won't allow yourself to admit that you've been wrong. You're like the Charles Barkley of Knick fans.

you are assuming all of these things happened because of the trade.... NO!! we could have added pieces to the team we had without the trade.. again, what you are stating here is useless, unless you feel that the old knick team was never going to make another move...

nstead of enjoying Melo as our franchise leader who's led us to a 6-0 start for the first time since 1993-1994, you just had to dig up his numbers from last night because of a bad performance, but yet, you hide under a rock when Melo explodes. You refuse to post his box score numbers during his strong nights. It's getting really old.

enjoy him? there is nothing about him I enjoy as a fan... and actually when do I ever really post box scores?

Melo's our franchise leader and the center piece of a potentially great Knicks team here in 2012-2013. Melo has led us to a 6-0 record. Without Melo, none of this is possible.

without JR smith, felton and Kidd none of this is possible as well.. so what is your point?

In the end, we put our future at risk and nothing short of a ring will be worth such actions...IMO, regardless of what you say....

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

airchibundo507 wrote:Honestly, there's no winning for Carmelo with some of you.

wrong. Its been spelled out 100000000 times, and 50000000 times after that.

Win some playoff games.

Some here really dont seem to understand or grasp this simple concept. But yea... Melo's the best player in the league and Knics are lucky to have him.

We've now gone .505 in games Melo has played in. That should be good enough for everyone.

Mister .505 and counting!

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:The team not needing Carmelo to win only makes his case to be an MVP candidate more strong, since the award goes to a player on a team with a high number of wins.

Don't fool yourselves, there were plenty of nights when previous MVPs hurt their teams a little more than they helped, but the rest of the team was strong enough to grind out wins.

This has been mentioned too. The best player on a winning team will win by default regardless of what the stats say.

Case in point I'll mention another team....The Clippers

De'Andre Jordan is a vastly improved player this year. CP3 has contributed to him evolving as a player but most of Jordan's improved play this season has to do with his ability to post up, makes moves, and convert around the basket at a very high percentage. Which has very little to do with CP3... unless it was CP3 the one delivering post entry passes on every single one of his conversions(he hasn't).

Another player on their team Jamal Crawford, who's averaging like 20pts off the bench. Well he plays most of his minutes along side Bledsoe....CP3's not even on the court and Jamal converts the majority on 1 on 1 plays..... once again not involving CP3.

We all know if the Clippers top the West/League with a great reg season record CP3 will be right in the thick of discussion for MVP. Now being CP3 is a point guard and has the ball in his hands quite a bit yes it can be said he's the reason for their success but looked at deeper, it's primarily because the Clippers are an overall well rounded better basketball TEAM.

If we can go 6-0 IN SPITE OF MISSING....Amar'e and Shump who are pretty darn good basketball players then it's not farfetched to say we've won games this year IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION...actually factual.

No need to prop up or overhype Melo unnecessarily. Yes Melo is our best player no one can argue this. Game impact this season ummmmmm Kidd/Smith/Felton have more than proved to be right there with Melo if not more so in some cases.

good post, but it is evident that some only want to see the knicks win if carmelo is instrumental to the winning, what does it matter if he is a MVP if the knicks win... Honestly, lebron is on pace to not only win MVP but they will have to make up an award for him this year it seems...

does every time the knicks win has to come to carmelo "playing the factor" in them winning... it is really so over the top..

Whaddya know - TKF is talking about Melo again.

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:On a sidenote bum ass Gallo shot an air ball in the clutch costing Denver a shot at beating Miami

it was a bad shot, i was screaming at the TV, but it happens, he will learn, denver will be fine.. Keep trying to validate the carmelo trade.... I am sure you were saying carmelo just shot 3-12....but........ " he was a great decoy"..

The season is long... comments like this tend to haunt people...

nah it wasn't Melo's night but he was in a similar situation Gallo was in. He got the ball on the wing with his team down and drove instead of jacking up an air ball, hit Felton who hit JR and gave us the lead for good.

thats enough for me to know we made the right move

Carmelo currently #3

3G4G wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt6a

Carmelo currently #3

This is Sekou's list but

Okay so from the list I made and the one provided in this link...there are likely 10+ other players in the mix. I figure few would have had Brandon Jennings in their top 10 or even Tony Parker

Interesting

I know its someone's opinion and its impossible to formulate this award especially in an era where stats>eye test but hey who knows right now