tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:One of my favorite highlights of Gallo in a Knicks uniform:

gotta love this one as well.

Nice block!

This one is just ridiculous on so many levels. Mozgov's career highlight!

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:DUDE HOLD your own battles, trying to piggyback isn't cute.... funny you give him props on an issue we have agreed on before, actually this very issue right here.. I am sure he will verify that.....

nice try tho...

True while we are split about 65/35 on D'AnToni philosophically we were in agreement over his mismanagement of players, in particular our youth.

Yeah you guys can try and clown Moz for getting dunked on by Griffin now but that's not what you were feeling then. Typical..... all of you keep this in consideration should he ever reach free agency again and we contemplate his availability

yea, I agree dantoni didn't do the best job handling the kids, he was not perfect, and we don't claim that he is... we do agree on some things, others we don't when it comes to dantoni, but that is cool...

and yea, now it is time to clown moz.. typical knick fan behavior tho.... I can never understand how you can defend your players till the end when they are here.. once they leave, they are bums.. go figure..

is there just anything wrong with saying.. Yea, we may have given up a lot of talent lately, but we are happy with what we got back and are willing to roll with whatever happens.. instead of trying to belittle every single player that left here in order to justify extremely questionable moves...

I don't like the move so I am going to express how I feel.. and note, I only point out the facts about carmelo, never said the guy was a scrub, just that he isn't what people have made him out to be. his resume backs that up..

Case in point it took fans a year and a half to flip-flop on Felton. Let's chronicle the typical behavior here...

- Felton went from being near as good as Derrick Rose as a "point guard"(yes there was this kind of talk when he was here up to about January of 2011)

to

- Traded him to Denver and fans completely blacked out on him, started big upping Billups

to

- Felton leaves Denver after not being able to grab the starting role from Lawson. Some fans said his attitude stunk and mocked his threat he wouldn't return. Signs with Portland and fans don't have much to say about him until Portland starts falling apart... then we started seeing pics showing up of him eating Cupcakes back half of season and videos mocking his point guard play

- We whiff on Nash but make a drop Felton could be in the cards. We end up signing Kidd and fans wanted Lin retained but Lin goes and finds a lucrative deal and we move HEAVY on Felton. Fans lathering up bringing him back

- Now Felton is better than Lin(which wasn't he already almost as good as Rose?(rolling eyes)) and we big up his mental state of having something to prove this year posting constant pics of his weight/conditioning

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:DUDE HOLD your own battles, trying to piggyback isn't cute.... funny you give him props on an issue we have agreed on before, actually this very issue right here.. I am sure he will verify that.....

nice try tho...

True while we are split about 65/35 on D'AnToni philosophically we were in agreement over his mismanagement of players, in particular our youth.

Yeah you guys can try and clown Moz for getting dunked on by Griffin now but that's not what you were feeling then. Typical..... all of you keep this in consideration should he ever reach free agency again and we contemplate his availability

yea, I agree dantoni didn't do the best job handling the kids, he was not perfect, and we don't claim that he is... we do agree on some things, others we don't when it comes to dantoni, but that is cool...

and yea, now it is time to clown moz.. typical knick fan behavior tho.... I can never understand how you can defend your players till the end when they are here.. once they leave, they are bums.. go figure..

is there just anything wrong with saying.. Yea, we may have given up a lot of talent lately, but we are happy with what we got back and are willing to roll with whatever happens.. instead of trying to belittle every single player that left here in order to justify extremely questionable moves...

I don't like the move so I am going to express how I feel.. and note, I only point out the facts about carmelo, never said the guy was a scrub, just that he isn't what people have made him out to be. his resume backs that up..

Case in point it took fans a year and a half to flip-flop on Felton. Let's chronicle the typical behavior here...

- Felton went from being near as good as Derrick Rose as a "point guard"(yes there was this kind of talk when he was here up to about January of 2011)

to

- Traded him to Denver and fans completely blacked out on him, started big upping Billups

to

- Felton leaves Denver after not being able to grab the starting role from Lawson. Some fans said his attitude stunk and mocked his threat he wouldn't return. Signs with Portland and fans don't have much to say about him until Portland starts falling apart... then we started seeing pics showing up of him eating Cupcakes back half of season and videos mocking his point guard play

- We whiff on Nash but make a drop Felton could be in the cards. We end up signing Kidd and fans wanted Lin retained but Lin goes and finds a lucrative deal and we move HEAVY on Felton. Fans lathering up bringing him back

- Now Felton is better than Lin(which wasn't he already almost as good as Rose?(rolling eyes)) and we big up his mental state of having something to prove this year posting constant pics of his weight/conditioning

YEA, SHORT memories..... and you know what, the sad thing is, felton is not a bad guy or player..carmelo is a good player.. what I think upsets most of us is that management (dolan) again, meddled and tried to see his tearing walsh work apart as prudent moves.. fans are not stupid... and had melo signed here as a FA, I bet the ill feelings toward him would not be as high. I still would not like him, but I could tolerate him.. carmelo worked hand in hand with dolan in making this mess.. and now we are trying to be sold that these moves are in the best interest of the team? please....

again, I think the fan base would not be as salty if they were not being lied and not trying to be sold fools gold...

I don't dislike felton at all, but we know what he is, and for people to sit here and call him better than lin, then fat, close to derick rose, then fat, borderline all astar, Fat.. is just flip flopping to support whatever dolan has put on his nasty plate...

dk7th wrote:i agree that d'antoni did not have the right idea with chandler and gallinari. i advocated bringing gallinari off the bench because he seemed to be a more creative player when released from the corner and allowed to work above the foul line. and while chandler wasn't as creative as gallinari in my opinion, he had been working on that short three from the corner and i seem to recall he wasn't all that bad from the right corner. he was also better suited to rebounding the ball although his perimeter defense was not great. d'antoni loved floor spacers and gallinari was misutilized as such since he hurt his wrist that preseason he kind of lost his shooting form and the arc on his shot seemed flat to me.

d'antoni just was a stubborn guy who did not like to play young players. i thought he could have done a better job that 2010-2011 season. i don't hold it against him that he slogged through his prior two season of roster flush as he did.

i did not know he told fields to stop cutting. if true that's a shame.

and you know what dk, this is why as a player, you still play hard. it makes it easier for a team to evaluate the situation. I think at some point with walsh still here , he would have realized that dantoni probably could take this team only so far, and we knew this because the guys on the team were giving max effort.... but when you have players who sabotage, and then some undrafted kid comes in and makes the coach look like a genius again, it makes it hard to evalute what the problem really is...

I liked dantoni's offensive style, but I also knew he had his flaws. He was stubborn and that bothered me, but he also had a system that worked, and I liked having an identity, was hoping we would find a coach that would pick up where he left off and improved upon it.. instead we did a complete and unecessary flush.. and IMO didn't take a step forward..

dk7th wrote:i agree that d'antoni did not have the right idea with chandler and gallinari. i advocated bringing gallinari off the bench because he seemed to be a more creative player when released from the corner and allowed to work above the foul line. and while chandler wasn't as creative as gallinari in my opinion, he had been working on that short three from the corner and i seem to recall he wasn't all that bad from the right corner. he was also better suited to rebounding the ball although his perimeter defense was not great. d'antoni loved floor spacers and gallinari was misutilized as such since he hurt his wrist that preseason he kind of lost his shooting form and the arc on his shot seemed flat to me.

d'antoni just was a stubborn guy who did not like to play young players. i thought he could have done a better job that 2010-2011 season. i don't hold it against him that he slogged through his prior two season of roster flush as he did.

i did not know he told fields to stop cutting. if true that's a shame.

I believe it was a few weeks before Amar'e went on his scoring spree. Felton and Amar'e had a bad month of getting the Pick and Roll down, so coach vented on Fields and his cutting in the lane.

There were a few times Fields did this and it got things out of wack. He probably was going off his college training instincts but it had more to do with Felton and Amar'e simply not executing.

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Never fear, tkf will then come up with quotes, tweets, pics and vids that actually show Melo sticking pins in Lin's meniscus.

Nothing can withstand the evil that is Darth Melo! He killed Qui Jon Lin!

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

But but it is a ridiculous contract!

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

rofl.. carmelo suggesting anything to dantoni..

pretty much equivalent to the crows chanting for the 12th man to come into a blow out game..

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

lin ended up being a bit better than garbage time player melo thought.. linsanity made everyone forget about "i'm coming home".. LOL that whole production was the biggest crock of dog crap I have ever seen msg put together..

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:You know what's ironic for tkf?

If his supposed cancer bonehead lazy thuglife chuckfest enemy Carmelo doesn't suggest to D'Antoni to play Jeremy Lin in the New Jersey game, Lin doesn't fulfill his prophecy and become the chosen one.

How you like them apples?

Which shows when Melo wants to speak up in favor of teammates(people in his circle) he can and will. Just like he did for his boy Josh Selby but in this case the organization decided to go with Shump, only for Melo to follow up with an immature tweet about it. Guess what Shump and the Knicks made Melo get over Selby

The question is when it came time to speaking up for Lin again when it involved money and team import....Melo decided I'm speaking differently on it now this time without full support of a fellow teammate. The persona of Lin proved to be too much for Melo

Melo's quote regarding Lin's contract offer was presented and explained in context during the summer league game the day before things blew up about his words when they were taken out of the context in which he said them. Nothing wrong with what he said if its taken in context.

Also, several posters keep suggesting that the Knicks should have waited for free agency to sign Melo. Remember that the owners had told the players they were locking them out and that big changes were coming. Melo was going to get his before the more player friendly cba expired. If the Knicks didn't make the trade for Melo he goes somewhere else at the deadline.

No that was damage control at it's FINEST

But let's take what he said in context...He's still an idiot for saying it publicly especially since no contract had been agreed to at the time of him speaking on it.

And to continue...

Lin's contract breaks down to $8.3mil/yr. That's what his cap hit will be for Houston each year. 2yrs ago we paid Felton 2yrs/$13.5mil that's $6.5mil/$7mil respectively if you add another year that's $7.5mil in yr 3. 2yrs prior to we paid Duhon 2 yrs $11.5mil that's $5.5mil/$6mil respectively if you add another year that's $6.5mil in yr 3.

Which by comparison Lin received a contract that was fiscally richer by $4mil and $7mil in total value based on what Felton's/Duhon's pay scale would have been in progression. Is it really that "RIDICULOUS"

Okay but the contract breaks down differently with Lin

1yr $5mil
2yr $5.25mil
3yr $14.75mil

In year 1 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 2 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(could prove to be well underpaid)

In year 3 the contract isn't "RIDICULOUS"(because it's an "EXPIRING YEAR" what Knick fans have claimed is always valuable to have to facilitate trades in particular larger one's right?)

So what the hell was Melo really trying to say that would make what he said make sense? You can't clean up or clarify what was said and if you need to do this after the fact, then maybe just maybe the comment was OUTERSPACE to begin with.

Just because we had Lux Tax issue doesn't mean Lin's offer per what the market value suggested pgs were signing for this off-season, was "RIDICULOUS."

I tell you what is "RIDICULOUS"......anyone trying to defend Melo over what he said