This is Grunwald's way of getting even with Morey because of the offer sheet detail changes Morey made.

The 3 day deadline to match hasn't started yet since the Knicks haven't technically received it yet. NY gm Grunwald knows Morey has a pending trade with Orlando so they're resorting to delaying tactics as retaliation.

It's annoying an very unprofessional.

From the Rocket's board - This I like, serves them right.

Lots of crappy player have good per 36-minute stats when they barely play.

loweyecue wrote:

This is Grunwald's way of getting even with Morey because of the offer sheet detail changes Morey made.

The 3 day deadline to match hasn't started yet since the Knicks haven't technically received it yet. NY gm Grunwald knows Morey has a pending trade with Orlando so they're resorting to delaying tactics as retaliation.

It's annoying an very unprofessional.

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From the Rocket's board - This I like, serves them right.

I agree, the way their GM handled the Lin offer sheet was very anoying and unprofessional.

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

This is Grunwald's way of getting even with Morey because of the offer sheet detail changes Morey made.

The 3 day deadline to match hasn't started yet since the Knicks haven't technically received it yet. NY gm Grunwald knows Morey has a pending trade with Orlando so they're resorting to delaying tactics as retaliation.

It's annoying an very unprofessional.

From the Rocket's board - This I like, serves them right.

What is he getting even for? The Rockets did nothing wrong or unfair. Is it unfair every time an employer tries to outbid other employers?

Certainly not wrong, but putting an offer out is something you do in good faith. Then if you renege on it or change the parameters after others have assumed it to be your intention and acted on it - I would call it unfair. Now Morey has no need to be fair to us, so I get it that he is doing what is best for Houston, but I do think he is also trying to get us out of the CP3 sweepstakes. IF he had made this offer the first stime I would not have called it unfair, but the fact that he did it in two shots lends me to believe he was trying to dupe us. We led with our chin - shame on us.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Lots of crappy player have good per 36-minute stats when they barely play.

Like who? He played about 300 min that year. What other examples do you have in mind? I'm not saying that's a huge sample but it has to count for something. It's not smart to ignore the data from that season and look at only last year.

Last season Toney Douglas put up 12.9 pts, 4 ast, 3.9 reb, and 1.6 stl per 36 minutes. Really, you can pick any random bench warmer from any team and they'll have good per-36 numbers. Partially because they're only playing a few minutes a game, partially because they're usually playing garbage minutes in blowouts.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Lots of crappy player have good per 36-minute stats when they barely play.

Like who? He played about 300 min that year. What other examples do you have in mind? I'm not saying that's a huge sample but it has to count for something. It's not smart to ignore the data from that season and look at only last year.

Last season Toney Douglas put up 12.9 pts, 4 ast, 3.9 reb, and 1.6 stl per 36 minutes. Really, you can pick any random bench warmer from any team and they'll have good per-36 numbers. Partially because they're only playing a few minutes a game, partially because they're usually playing garbage minutes in blowouts.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's really a 64 game sample since his #s were pretty good his rookie season too. 10 points, 5 assists, 4 rbs, 4 steals and 2 turnovers per 36 min as a rookie.
I'm doing a google search now but I still can't find anything saying the Knicks could offer only 3 yr, 15 mil.

dude, you post so much on and about stats and you just took a guy who played a hair under 10 minutes a game and stretched it to show what his stats would be at a 36 min clip as if that were some telling and relevant point?

Yes, a slightly relevant point. I'd give it about as much weight as a sample of playing starters minutes for 8 or 9 games. No one has provided any evidence that it makes more sense to discard the data from those 300 minutes.

you also always talk about sample sizes being too small. that makes it kind of ridiculous to blow up an extremely small sample size to a per 36min lie and treat it like reality.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's really a 64 game sample since his #s were pretty good his rookie season too. 10 points, 5 assists, 4 rbs, 4 steals and 2 turnovers per 36 min as a rookie.
I'm doing a google search now but I still can't find anything saying the Knicks could offer only 3 yr, 15 mil.

dude, you post so much on and about stats and you just took a guy who played a hair under 10 minutes a game and stretched it to show what his stats would be at a 36 min clip as if that were some telling and relevant point?

Yes, a slightly relevant point. I'd give it about as much weight as a sample of playing starters minutes for 8 or 9 games. No one has provided any evidence that it makes more sense to discard the data from those 300 minutes.

you just mish-mashed 25 games as a starter who averaged > 27 minutes with a rookie season average of 9 minutes per game across 25 games that were all trash time?

you lost me at hello. if your gut instinct doesn't kick in to say that those rookie minutes didn't equate to much and you should not try to meaningfully extrapolate to 36 min, that is pathetic.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Lots of crappy player have good per 36-minute stats when they barely play.

Like who? He played about 300 min that year. What other examples do you have in mind? I'm not saying that's a huge sample but it has to count for something. It's not smart to ignore the data from that season and look at only last year.

Last season Toney Douglas put up 12.9 pts, 4 ast, 3.9 reb, and 1.6 stl per 36 minutes. Really, you can pick any random bench warmer from any team and they'll have good per-36 numbers. Partially because they're only playing a few minutes a game, partially because they're usually playing garbage minutes in blowouts.

Well sure, then he screwed up his shoulder and his #s went down. Injuries affect anyone's numbers; that's a separate issue from the discussion here. The bold part is definitely false.

Here are Jackie Butler's per-36 numbers his last year with us: 14 ppg, 8.8 reb, and 1.6 blocks.

MinsHeartsReezy wrote:
Well, I think from today's developments it's fair to assume that Grunwald wasn't avoiding anyone's deliveries but he was working on getting the Felton & Thomas deal done. That sounds like more tabloid crap. But it's not as though the Rockets were in any rush to finalize OR get the offer sheet signed so as far as them being frustrated about not being able to deliver the contract...sucks for them and you reap what you sow.

I don't get that considering what's happened since. The only thing I can think is that he was stalling for time to try and convince Dolan to match the offer sheet instead of dumping Lin for Felton?