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3/19/2011  8:41 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
“I thought our defense was solid,” D’Antoni said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/sports/basketball/19knicks.html?_r=1&ref=basketball

Exactly why he needs to get fired ASAP.


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3/19/2011  8:56 AM
Were we really doing that well? Post our early season hot streak we were running well below 0.500.
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CrushAlot wrote:Where are the guys that were saying that D'Antoni's 236th game should conince people that he is the right coach for this team? The Pistons are a lost cause. The coach is done after this season. The players do not respect him and have revolted. The Knicks lost the sixth spot tonight against this team. Unbelievable.

when it rains, it pours. It would be hard for me to get rid of MDA this summer, it would be unfair to him as he never had a true team. You could argue that this was his first season with a decent squad who was playing well, then we just trade it away. It was like when they traded Zach Randolph and Crawford. Chemistry was developing and then they blew it up. Only way I get rid of MDA now is if I am brining in a Hall of Fame Coach to lead these guys. They need leadership, who that is? I don't know.
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3/19/2011  8:59 AM
Please. How stupid is this? For the bulls this is an aberration for us it's business as usual.
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?
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3/19/2011  8:59 AM
nykshaknbake wrote:Were we really doing that well? Post our early season hot streak we were running well below 0.500.
Michael6835 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Where are the guys that were saying that D'Antoni's 236th game should conince people that he is the right coach for this team? The Pistons are a lost cause. The coach is done after this season. The players do not respect him and have revolted. The Knicks lost the sixth spot tonight against this team. Unbelievable.

when it rains, it pours. It would be hard for me to get rid of MDA this summer, it would be unfair to him as he never had a true team. You could argue that this was his first season with a decent squad who was playing well, then we just trade it away. It was like when they traded Zach Randolph and Crawford. Chemistry was developing and then they blew it up. Only way I get rid of MDA now is if I am brining in a Hall of Fame Coach to lead these guys. They need leadership, who that is? I don't know.

yeah. we were 5 under .500 for the rest of the way. there's a lot of emotional attachment to that team. there's also a lot of varying opinion on how much potential they had.
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3/19/2011  9:14 AM
Just a question. Are you mda or do you know him in some way? I've just never seen such an impassioned defense of a failed coach.
nixluva wrote:At what point do the players just come ready to play D from the start on their own. Forget about the Media, Fans or coaches for a second. They know to a man that their one big flaw is that they tend to play with less than the necessary intensity on D. After all the attention given to this, why should any coach have to say or do anything more to get the players to give more effort? The only thing I see is that they have huge parts of each game where they just don't play hard. If you and I know what the problem is and we're not at practice or in film sessions, why is it so hard for these players?

When they meet just before the game the coaches are preaching D. When they come back to the bench the coaches are screaming for them to dig in on D. It's obvious by the fact that the other team is scoring that they need stops. Yet the best players on this team aren't leading the way in that regard. TD seems to get the message. Williams is playing hard. Turiaf and Jared always seem to give great effort. Are they the only ones who are getting coached up on D?
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3/19/2011  9:45 AM
nykshaknbake wrote:Please. How stupid is this? For the bulls this is an aberration for us it's business as usual.
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Bulls are thought of as one of the strongest defensive teams in the league. I don't care about aberrations. This is the NBA and each win or loss counts the same. You think the Bulls wanted to lose to Indiana with a half game lead for the #1 seed? Now they're the #2 seed again. You think they wanted that? So why didn't they defend better? Because the Pacers beat them.

And the Bulls have a whole season of playing together, years more for a lot of their guys.

New Knicks have a handful of games. I admit they're not showing good things right now... but there is time to right the ship by the playoffs.

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3/19/2011  10:04 AM
Yeah the Pacers are an offensive juggernaut. You may not care about aberrations but because it is for the bulls and it isn't for us they are a good defensive team and have the wins and seeding as a reward. It's the exception rather than the rule for bad and really bad defensive teams to flip a switch in the playoffs. Nothing from this team tells me that will be the case.
crzymdups wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:Please. How stupid is this? For the bulls this is an aberration for us it's business as usual.
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Bulls are thought of as one of the strongest defensive teams in the league. I don't care about aberrations. This is the NBA and each win or loss counts the same. You think the Bulls wanted to lose to Indiana with a half game lead for the #1 seed? Now they're the #2 seed again. You think they wanted that? So why didn't they defend better? Because the Pacers beat them.

And the Bulls have a whole season of playing together, years more for a lot of their guys.

New Knicks have a handful of games. I admit they're not showing good things right now... but there is time to right the ship by the playoffs.
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3/19/2011  10:12 AM
nykshaknbake wrote:Please. How stupid is this? For the bulls this is an aberration for us it's business as usual.
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Maybe because IT IS business as usual with us, or you think we will ever be confused as the best defensive team in the league? That IS an aberration from the Bulls and maybe the Pacers are picking up steam too, but its no use to mention other teams' unusual nights to compare with the Knicks usual lack of D.

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3/19/2011  10:18 AM
Marv wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:Were we really doing that well? Post our early season hot streak we were running well below 0.500.
Michael6835 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Where are the guys that were saying that D'Antoni's 236th game should conince people that he is the right coach for this team? The Pistons are a lost cause. The coach is done after this season. The players do not respect him and have revolted. The Knicks lost the sixth spot tonight against this team. Unbelievable.

when it rains, it pours. It would be hard for me to get rid of MDA this summer, it would be unfair to him as he never had a true team. You could argue that this was his first season with a decent squad who was playing well, then we just trade it away. It was like when they traded Zach Randolph and Crawford. Chemistry was developing and then they blew it up. Only way I get rid of MDA now is if I am brining in a Hall of Fame Coach to lead these guys. They need leadership, who that is? I don't know.

yeah. we were 5 under .500 for the rest of the way. there's a lot of emotional attachment to that team. there's also a lot of varying opinion on how much potential they had.

Point should be that either team has underachieved with D'Antoni. People miss the pre-trade Knicks because they were young, balanced and exciting but they had trouble closing teams and defending, so its not like we changed a lot. Now we have a team that even with two super stars are less exciting and also have trouble closing teams and defending. Back then we had our amazing nights were we won with shooting and we had our many more horrible losses to worse teams than us. That still happens now. So in the end, that may be D'Antoni's basketball in a nutshell and Im tired of it.

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3/19/2011  10:21 AM
Its amazing how things change. After the trade it was all excitement and hope. Now? I don't know about you, but I didn't follow this game and just checked the score in my cellphone an hour after the game, only to find out another bad team beat the Knicks. My reaction? Meh

I don't like this team anymore and unlike many that believe we are so close, the hard truth is that we are a long way to go, as we need lots of talent on the bench and a coach that isn't stubborn enough to play it and make the team care more about defense. This team isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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3/19/2011  10:48 AM
That was my point. Which was why I thought the other post made no sense.
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nykshaknbake wrote:Please. How stupid is this? For the bulls this is an aberration for us it's business as usual.
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Maybe because IT IS business as usual with us, or you think we will ever be confused as the best defensive team in the league? That IS an aberration from the Bulls and maybe the Pacers are picking up steam too, but its no use to mention other teams' unusual nights to compare with the Knicks usual lack of D.
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3/19/2011  12:02 PM
Why does Mike D'antoni ALWAYS think the defense is solid?

I mean, how dumb can you be?
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3/19/2011  1:26 PM
“I thought our defense was solid,” D’Antoni said. “We just turned the ball over in crucial moments and let them back in.”
Why is it always about the offense? I think it is troubling that Stoudamire is saying that not everyone is buying into D'Antoni's offense.
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nixluva wrote:
Michael6835 wrote:
matt wrote:The just can't beat bad teams

and we expect to beat the good ones?
gotta say, we better make the playoffs!

We are a .500 team post trade, realistically, I don't think many experts had us any different. The problem though, is that we are losing to bad teams and winning the other games. So that shows me guys are just slacking off.

It's the players. They're taking the foot off the pedal when they see a bad team. That much is clear when you see how they play against good teams. This team just thinks it can win with a halfass effort. It's not like Mike is not saying they need to be focused and playing hard. NO COACH just gets off the bus and doesn't try to fire up his team in some way. I have to believe it's an attitude the players are taking on themselves. They think they're better than they are and that they can just turn it on. Let's hope they can one day soon learn their lesson and stop doing this. How many times are they gonna do this against bad teams before they as players say enough is enough? If i'm a player, it won't take a coach to make me get mad and get up for a bad team. I only know one way to play and that's hard. I've never gone into anything with less than a 110% game face and attitude.

When is not the players? Also, if D'Antoni is saying the right things and the players are not listening then he has lost the team.
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