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FistOfOakley
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12/18/2010  10:07 PM
46 points in the paint.

against the CAVS!!!! wtf??!?!?!
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12/18/2010  10:09 PM
O well. Cavs were due? That's what I'm going to tell myself so I don't start needlessly panicking and loose all of these new recent warm fuzzy vibes for these guys.
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12/18/2010  10:09 PM
Even with Amar'e not being able to dominate Verajao, we missed a ton of shots from our other players and that has to also be taken into account. This is a game that if we shoot our normal %'s we win. Plus we were very Sloppy, committing too many TO's. This wasn't a loss due to our Roster composition. It was just a bad game.
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12/18/2010  10:10 PM
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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12/18/2010  10:11 PM
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

Its an obvious lack of killer instinct and maturity. A veteran team would have come out with guns blazing and put up a 20 pt lead by end of fist half and iced the game.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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12/18/2010  10:11 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:46 points in the paint.

against the CAVS!!!! wtf??!?!?!

D'Antoni = protecting the paint is overrated.

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12/18/2010  10:12 PM
loweyecue wrote:
PresIke wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:Just when I thought the MIami game was a bad loss... this is not good at all... How the hell can we lose to them????

bad decision making down the stretch.

And no defense played in the 4th Q. We let them walk in and score.

true.

problem here is we can't fix our 3 big problems at once, and which do you address 1st?

1) some want a big defender to help amar'e, but there are not a lot of guys we can get like this who can score, or shoot. plus, what do we have to give up to get? someone mentioned verajao, but i ain't blowing our assets on him.

2) backup pg to help felton. this is more doable, but some out there might leave us with a worse outside shooter than we have in TD.

3) legit #2. well, i see melo and he's available, clearly. so we blow our roster. so what. he plays no d. well, where is this #2 player we can get who d's up and can put us with a real chance of challenging for the title while amar'e is still able to perform at this level? get the star, then the other pieces will WANT to play here.

i guess y'all know where i stand on these 3 options.

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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12/18/2010  10:13 PM
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Knicks aren't good enough to be even thinking about trap game situations. Trap games are for elite teams and Knicks are not that.
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12/18/2010  10:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2010  10:20 PM
AR and Moz couldn't get any PT even when the Cavs had mostly bench players on the floor. I see trades on the horizon because its going to reach a breaking point. Either Walsh makes a deal or D'Antoni gives more time to AR and Moz. They can't have this tight a rotation for much longer and expect to be healthy in the playoffs, if they make the playoffs.
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12/18/2010  10:20 PM
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.
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12/18/2010  10:21 PM
Vmart wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Knicks aren't good enough to be even thinking about trap game situations. Trap games are for elite teams and Knicks are not that.


I know that, but it's not about being Elite, but just natural for a team to look at a team with a 10 game losing streak and just not get up for them. We just got finished facing 3 very good teams and this wasn't a big motivational game. I mean come on, you know that's true of almost all teams!
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12/18/2010  10:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2010  10:24 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.
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12/18/2010  10:27 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.

Starters was being lazy today except for fields and stat so I can't see why you blame the coach? Human nature showed that some of the players we got think they can just let it flow.

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12/18/2010  10:30 PM
Travla wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
PresIke wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:Just when I thought the MIami game was a bad loss... this is not good at all... How the hell can we lose to them????

bad decision making down the stretch.

Looks that way, man. I'm just kinda disgusted right now.

The Knicks need to make a move... for Melo, for a backup PG and a solid defensive C. If not all this season, then it's MUST this offseason.


If they lose the next game or two...they will make a move.

With the upcoming schedule knicks can lose 9 of 10. A move is needed soon
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12/18/2010  10:31 PM
nixluva wrote:
Vmart wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Knicks aren't good enough to be even thinking about trap game situations. Trap games are for elite teams and Knicks are not that.


I know that, but it's not about being Elite, but just natural for a team to look at a team with a 10 game losing streak and just not get up for them. We just got finished facing 3 very good teams and this wasn't a big motivational game. I mean come on, you know that's true of almost all teams!

nixluva, you have a way about you that gives of such a positive spin. You turly are a Knicks lover. Knicks know all to well that they were once the desperate team just a few weeks ago. This loss was attributed to poor game management by the coach who is adamant in his ways lack of bench use cost the Knicks tonight. The Kicks simply can not continue to play small ball. It is just to easy to get points in the paint and guys like Verajao have a field day with it. MDA has to get back to the conventional way of thinking.
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12/18/2010  10:33 PM
rp wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.

Starters was being lazy today except for fields and stat so I can't see why you blame the coach? Human nature showed that some of the players we got think they can just let it flow.

I think you answered the question right there, that is why he needed to go deeper into the bench.
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12/18/2010  10:34 PM
no need to panic but we could be in for a long losing streak.
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knickslions wrote:
Travla wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
PresIke wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:Just when I thought the MIami game was a bad loss... this is not good at all... How the hell can we lose to them????

bad decision making down the stretch.

Looks that way, man. I'm just kinda disgusted right now.

The Knicks need to make a move... for Melo, for a backup PG and a solid defensive C. If not all this season, then it's MUST this offseason.


If they lose the next game or two...they will make a move.

With the upcoming schedule knicks can lose 9 of 10. A move is needed soon

with noah out, they should be able to beat the bulls, pacers/suns i think they should win as well. the rest are some tough games, however i think they can pull some of those out. i hope they can beat okc to start this 10 game stretch.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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12/18/2010  10:39 PM
Vmart wrote:
rp wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.

Starters was being lazy today except for fields and stat so I can't see why you blame the coach? Human nature showed that some of the players we got think they can just let it flow.

I think you answered the question right there, that is why he needed to go deeper into the bench.

Our bench is not that good. If you are tight in the game do you go to your bench??

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12/18/2010  10:43 PM
rp wrote:
Vmart wrote:
rp wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:
nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.

Starters was being lazy today except for fields and stat so I can't see why you blame the coach? Human nature showed that some of the players we got think they can just let it flow.

I think you answered the question right there, that is why he needed to go deeper into the bench.

Our bench is not that good. If you are tight in the game do you go to your bench??

Please don't believe that. Our bench is as good as anyone's bench. Its up to MDA to utilize it, this type of thinking is plain wrong. MDA is losing the trust factor and determining the players to be useless, which is wrong on his part.
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