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Paladin55
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12/12/2010  3:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2010  5:56 PM
I think his 1/1 D has really improved since the SL. He has become pretty good at recovering when beaten off the dribble, and gets a hand in his opponent's face, even if he is beaten.

I think you can actually make a case that he is a better fit on a Knicks team with Melo than Chandler and Gallo because he has shown he can play the 2, is a more aggressive rebounder than those two, and he does not need the ball as much to be a contributor.

If he can become consistent with his J he will be a perfect complimentary player on a team with Felton, Melo, and Amare as your big 3.

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12/12/2010  3:40 PM
VDesai wrote:Landry Fields is the player that most NBA teams don't realize that they need.

The more other teams see him the more your statement is going to be out of date.

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12/12/2010  5:45 PM
New poster here, originally from Chicago, graduated from 'Cuse in 1999, relocated to NY for work in 2003 and have been a Knicks fan through the bad in the last decade. Not as long-suffering as most of you, but still a diehard none the less. I'm obviously IN for this thread.
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12/12/2010  6:16 PM
my new favorite player. so unselfish and such a high bball iq.
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12/15/2010  10:02 AM

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

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12/15/2010  10:18 AM
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

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If they are willing to take Fields only and a draft pick and Curry's contract I'd do the deal. But we must keep Gallo and Chandler. I'd rather keep this unit in place. Unless we have a secret deal with Carmelo that he is coming hear no matter what! We just sit and wait. I would not give up both Gallo and Chandler. The proof of the pudding will be tonights game with Boston and Friday against Miami. If we win both games and look real good at doing it. I say don't break up this unit just get a big 7 ft defensive player. Get Camby or Nene. Carmelo will then sign with the Nets.

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12/15/2010  10:49 AM
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

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So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

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12/15/2010  10:59 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

Ever

So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

no he's not.

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12/15/2010  11:09 AM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

Ever

So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

no he's not.

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12/15/2010  11:11 AM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

Ever

So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

no he's not.

So why would Gallo and Chandler be in a deal that he is referencing if they are not on the table?

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12/15/2010  11:11 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

Ever

So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

no he's not.

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bip said twits are on the phone again.
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12/15/2010  11:14 AM
Marv wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

Ever

So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

no he's not.

Twitter is like the telephone game

bip said twits are on the phone again.

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12/15/2010  11:21 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

Ever

So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

no he's not.

So why would Gallo and Chandler be in a deal that he is referencing if they are not on the table?

Tommy is just responding to ESPN reports and what could and won't happen. The above quote is out of context.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/12/15/espn-nets-out-knicks-reluctant-to-move-fields/

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12/15/2010  11:30 AM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:

Tommy Dee: "Here’s what I continue to hear. The Nuggets obviously prefer Fields because of his talent and his contract, but the Knicks are completely against moving him in a deal that includes both Gallinari and Chandler. And if it’s me, based on all the little things he’s shown the ability to do, I’d be hesitant to include him at all. Do-it-all glue players are not very easy to find, but, to be fair, are easier to find than offensive superstars."

No more trade talk of Landry Fields.

Ever

So Tommy Dee is reporting the Knick offer as Gallo, Chandler, Pick(Randolph), and Filler for Melo. If that is true then Im siked. Too bad I dont trust Tommy Dee.

no he's not.

So why would Gallo and Chandler be in a deal that he is referencing if they are not on the table?

Tommy is just responding to ESPN reports and what could and won't happen. The above quote is out of context.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/12/15/espn-nets-out-knicks-reluctant-to-move-fields/

Thanks for the posting the source article.

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12/23/2010  6:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/23/2010  6:42 AM
The amazing Landry Fields is the subject of a Wall Street Journal article by David Biderman.  For those who have not been paying attention, Fields was the 39th player chosen in the 2010 draft.  Despite being drafted in the second round, Fields has started every game for the Knicks this season.  He has also been the most productive player on the Knicks this season (by a fairly wide margin).  Furthermore, he has been the most productive rookie (by a very wide margin).

As Biderman notes, Fields is not a productive scorer.  As the following table indicates (above average numbers in red), though, Fields may be considered a classic Wages of Wins player.

The Wins Produced metric (detailed in both The Wages of Wins and Stumbling on Wins) argues that wins in the NBA are determined by shooting efficiency (the ability to put the ball in the hoop) and the ability to gain and keep possession of the ball (i.e. rebounds and turnovers).  As I noted in my sports economics class this week, this observation about wins in the NBA should be fairly obvious.  But because player evaluation in the NBA is dominated by scoring totals, it seems hard for many fans to accept the notion that a player like Fields – who has below average scoring totals – is producing wins in very large quantities.

Relative to an average shooting guard, Fields has been amazing with respect to shooting efficiency and Net Possession (rebounds + steals – turnovers). 


What may be surprising is that Fields’ projected productivity eclipses the combined first year production of all players selected with the 39th pick in the draft since 1977 (as Biderman notes, these players combined to produce 4.0 wins since 1977).  Furthermore – as the following table notes (which reports the most productive rookie in each draft class in the season following the draft where the players were selected)– Fields projected Wins Produced is only eclipsed by seven rookies since 1977.


Of course the big question is whether Fields can continue to produce at this rate.  Again, Fields has only played 12 games, and that is a very small sample.  Then again, Arturo Galletti has argued that small samples in the NBA do tell us something.  So maybe Fields is for real.  And if that is the case, the Knicks might have found the productive star they sought in the 2010 free agent market in the second round of the NBA draft.

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2/18/2014  10:16 AM
just a litle perspective in Knick land... as THjr has taken over Landry's status of next superstar.

Fields may yet get his groove back and be a good NBA player, but between the injuries and ineffective play he's making Shandon Anderson consider a comeback.

we all liked him... but perspective.

This team will continue to be a sloppy mess until we get a floor general. We need a PG above all else.

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2/18/2014  10:36 AM
There are plenty of threads you can bump where a rookie did turn out to be outstanding.
Granted, you'd probably have to go to other teams' forums to find them though!
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Bonn1997 wrote:There are plenty of threads you can bump where a rookie did turn out to be outstanding.
Granted, you'd probably have to go to other teams' forums to find them though!
thats my point. Knick fans are so desperate for a drafted star they pretend everyone they draft can be that guy. Its not the case. THjr is a great pick. Cant ask for more... but an untouchable skill set? A build around player?

I dont see THjr has having more upside than Gallo or Will Chandler. When he's playing starter minutes and performing we will see.

Fields shot 40% from 3, played 81 games and 30 minutes per game his rookie season.

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2/18/2014  11:10 AM
fishmike wrote:just a litle perspective in Knick land... as THjr has taken over Landry's status of next superstar.

Fields may yet get his groove back and be a good NBA player, but between the injuries and ineffective play he's making Shandon Anderson consider a comeback.

we all liked him... but perspective.

This team will continue to be a sloppy mess until we get a floor general. We need a PG above all else.

They have very different skills, what are you trying to say, that any player that seem a to have potential can become a scrub? THJR is a bright spot in a horrid season, so people like to talk about him, I don't think expectations are that ridiculous for him.
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fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:There are plenty of threads you can bump where a rookie did turn out to be outstanding.
Granted, you'd probably have to go to other teams' forums to find them though!
thats my point. Knick fans are so desperate for a drafted star they pretend everyone they draft can be that guy. Its not the case. THjr is a great pick. Cant ask for more... but an untouchable skill set? A build around player?

I dont see THjr has having more upside than Gallo or Will Chandler. When he's playing starter minutes and performing we will see.

Fields shot 40% from 3, played 81 games and 30 minutes per game his rookie season.


Fields had a great rookie season, and it would have been a bad philosophy to trade him for a guy with Lowry's history. It would have worked out but been a bad philosophy.
There's a big difference between shooting 40/50 (2 and 3 pointers) with low volume like Fields and higher volume like TH Jr. When you can do it a high volume it's more impressive. Obviously he's not untradeable though. But I'd trade him for someone about to be on an 8 figure salary for a long time only if that player was a chronic all-star (not saying superstar - just all-star).
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