Childs2Dudley wrote:

eViL wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:No.

Don't give me that BS.

Team sucks, end of story.

I'll wait till they prove me otherwise.

k bro. let's hope they prove you wrong.

Hanging my ass...Prediction: 4-14 to start the season.

Papabear Says

This surely won't bring Mello here. Specialy if the Net have a much better record. The Knicks still don't defend the 3 point line. Amear is making too many turnovers. Chandler is the one who is keeping us in the game and we want to trade him.

nixluva wrote:Crushalot and Childs2Dudley I think you guys need to keep in mind the fact that this is early in the season and this is a completely new team. You both talk as if this is a finished product that should be running perfectly right now, including the coach. The players are trying to learn each other and the coach's system. The coach is trying to learn his players and set rotations. Overall MOST of the things we need to happen are happening, but you can't expect perfection at this point.

Given that there are still lapses on D, there are MORE good and consistent defensive plays than bad. You can't try to make it seem like any good that the team is doing has nothing to do with Mike and all the bad is directly associated with his poor coaching. This team looks remarkably good early on and that's a testament to Mike getting these guys prepared. Answer me this, based on how the team looked in preseason did any of you expect them to look this good and competitive against 2 of the better teams in the league right off the bat? The Blazers aren't scrubs they're a very good team that is undefeated so far. The Celts we know how good they are.

Childs2Dudley you can't say this is the same ole team and that we suck when you know we would've been blown out in both games last year!!! We actually should've won this game and the reasons we lost are correctable. Try to be a bit more reasonable in your assessment of the team so you don't lose all credibility.

Papabear Says

Nixluva you must understand that the Celtics played down to our level and so did Portland. When ever they wanted to make a run they did. They toyed with us. Yes this team is better than last year but remember how much better? We don't seem to be a team with a plan with the exception of shooting 3s.I'm sick and tired of this run and gun. Now what I say is bad coaching is when a team keeps going on the back door on us all through the game and the coach does nothing to correct it. When a team is on offense running up the court and their only plan is pick and roll or shoot the 3. The team are just waiting for us. We can't even rely on a mid range jump shot. Gallo is caught up in the New York party experience. Maybe he needs to change his hair style. Word is Gallo party too much. Give Gallo a drug test.

scoshin wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's so early and really I didn't expect the team to be playing this well so soon. But it is still very early and they aren't all the way there in every facet yet. I just don't wanna hear how a coach that OTHER coaches ask for help with offense, can't draw up a play. PLEASE! Go read SSOL and look at the plays and you'll see that we're still not using most of what the guy tries to run. We need more time to allow this team to absorb all of this stuff.

There's no reason that Felton should stink so bad at PnR except that he's not comfortable playing in traffic. He seems to avoid getting into the teeth of the defense unless he's barreling to the hoop. And when he does he's not looking for teammates or simply can't see them. He's only 6' tall and seems to have a problem seeing the court when he gets in the middle of the bigs. I just don't think he has a natural feel for what you need to do in a PnR offense, but he's got to learn.

Excellent analysis as always. You're right, we gotta give this a little more time before it gets better..But I agree about Felton. He seems to be able to pull off some amazing things (that baseline drive with the 360 spin and finish underneath was awesome -- when's the last time we had a PG who could do something like that?) but then he struggles with less difficult things -- delivering the ball on the P&R, improvising quickly when option #1 is taken away (swing the damn ball if you can't get it to Amar'e, don't shoehorn it in or waste 10-15 secs. waiting for it to develop--if it's not there, it's not there), utililizing all his teammates, etc..TD's guilty of the same things...I'm confident it'll improve though. At least 2 big things I see that are correctable:

1 - Can Amar'e put it on the deck and get to the rim from 20' out? Yes he can and not many bigs 6'10" & over can but as we've seen now after a couple of games, it's pretty risky. Amar'e awesome and plays very hard but he's gotta cut down on these turnovers. Part of it isn't his fault --- Felton or TD can't simply give him the ball on the run 25' from the basket in traffic and expect the guy to do something with it there. There's hitting a guy on the break in transition for a layup or dunk and then there's giving up your dribble way too early as if the rock's a hot potato and giving the ball to your main big way too far out with little or no chance he'll be able to execute from there. Amar'e's had a ton of TOs so far but some of those I put on Felton & TD. They should begin to see what works with Amar'e and what really doesn't. He needs it in better position. Giving it to him way out on the perimeter 20-25' out where he'll have to take 5-6 dribbles to get to the basket is asking a lot -- STAT needs to be taking 1 or 2 dribble before a shot attempt. This should improve once they look at tape in practice and adjustments are made.

2 - Swing the ball if option 1 isn't there and get other teammates involved. Specifically I wanna see Fields getting more shot attempts. At least more touches because you know this kid will do the right thing with the ball if the shot isn't there for himself..He's gone for double figures in every game so far and I'm telling ya, he could've went for 20 every game if he only got the damn ball more. Easily..I know he's a rookie but I like everything I see so far in ever facet of the game. Bottom line is I trust him completely and I wanna see us feature him much more..It was a good decision to start him -- in his limited time he's shown me that he should be able to handle a little more of the scoring load -- yet Felton and TD aren't looking for him nearly enough. He's a weapon at our disposal that's been way underutilized so far..Right now until AR gets back and Gallo figures it out on offense, they gotta give the ball to Fields more and let him operate. Much more stuff should be running through Fields and I think it will as time goes on..Too much offensive ability from this kid that we can definitely use right now that's being ignored. I actually wouldn't mind Fields taking 15 shots a game right now.

What it comes down to with Felton is he either has limited court vision, or is too hesitant to thread the needle with a pass. I mean, he's done a great job penetrating, against some of the better interior defenses in the league, and against ZONE defenses...yet when Felton drives, he's looking to score, he doesn't look to dish off.

Papabear Says

Don't blame Felton when guys are just hangin around. I saw no set plays to help free Amear so Felton could get the ball to him. Amear could not get down in the paint. Portland new what we wanted to do and they had a plan to stop us. Until we have gus that can knock down shots you will always see 2-3 men on Amear and there is nothing that Felton can do.

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:Crushalot and Childs2Dudley I think you guys need to keep in mind the fact that this is early in the season and this is a completely new team. You both talk as if this is a finished product that should be running perfectly right now, including the coach. The players are trying to learn each other and the coach's system. The coach is trying to learn his players and set rotations. Overall MOST of the things we need to happen are happening, but you can't expect perfection at this point.

Given that there are still lapses on D, there are MORE good and consistent defensive plays than bad. You can't try to make it seem like any good that the team is doing has nothing to do with Mike and all the bad is directly associated with his poor coaching. This team looks remarkably good early on and that's a testament to Mike getting these guys prepared. Answer me this, based on how the team looked in preseason did any of you expect them to look this good and competitive against 2 of the better teams in the league right off the bat? The Blazers aren't scrubs they're a very good team that is undefeated so far. The Celts we know how good they are.

Childs2Dudley you can't say this is the same ole team and that we suck when you know we would've been blown out in both games last year!!! We actually should've won this game and the reasons we lost are correctable. Try to be a bit more reasonable in your assessment of the team so you don't lose all credibility.

Papabear Says

Nixluva you must understand that the Celtics played down to our level and so did Portland. When ever they wanted to make a run they did. They toyed with us. Yes this team is better than last year but remember how much better? We don't seem to be a team with a plan with the exception of shooting 3s.I'm sick and tired of this run and gun. Now what I say is bad coaching is when a team keeps going on the back door on us all through the game and the coach does nothing to correct it. When a team is on offense running up the court and their only plan is pick and roll or shoot the 3. The team are just waiting for us. We can't even rely on a mid range jump shot. Gallo is caught up in the New York party experience. Maybe he needs to change his hair style. Word is Gallo party too much. Give Gallo a drug test.

The Celts and Blazers didn't play down to us!!! You don't let a team go up 9 with like 5 minutes to go on the road and think you can just turn it on. We BLEW that game with bad offense and missed FT's. Were they lettin us win when our D was blockin their shots and forcing them into TO's?

We really needed to steal one though before we face Orlando, cause that may very well be an ugly blowout.

AnubisADL wrote:Good game for us. Only issue I see is Amare being forced to try to create for himself which is leading to TO's.

no such thing as a good loss... celebrating moral victories is a loser's mentality... u can celebrate personal individual performances but whenever the team loses it's a negative.

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Good game for us. Only issue I see is Amare being forced to try to create for himself which is leading to TO's.

no such thing as a good loss... celebrating moral victories is a loser's mentality... u can celebrate personal individual performances but whenever the team loses it's a negative.

I projected us winning 33 games this year. So these losses dont surprise me.

TMac wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Is there any video for this game anywhere, missed it entirely.

There is a highlights clip of it here.. http://video.msg.com/Home/Highlights-Analysis-10-30-Knicks-Loss-to-Portland

Danke.

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Good game for us. Only issue I see is Amare being forced to try to create for himself which is leading to TO's.

no such thing as a good loss... celebrating moral victories is a loser's mentality... u can celebrate personal individual performances but whenever the team loses it's a negative.

I projected us winning 33 games this year. So these losses dont surprise me.

You have to admit that this team could easily have won any of these 2 games! Don't try to make it seem like this team just isn't good enough and that's why they lost. I'm going to enjoy the silence from you and a few others when the team is playing well. 33 wins? OK we'll see.