JrZyHuStLa wrote:

rp wrote:

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Any of the two players mentioned whether it be Gallo and AR Gallo and Chandler AR and chandler--both combined in ANY set>Melo and they will want all 3 ++= lol

anyone want to argue that Chandler and Randolph combined cant do more for one team than just anthony?

Look how much better we are on the D with Randolph and chandler--its not even a comparison. rebounds blocked shots combined scoring --I mean look at it!!!!!! with enough minutes both guys will avg 16-18 a game EZ

Anthony Randolph is not going to average 16 ppg next season. And this is not Fantasy Basketball. You NEED Stars to win. Combining two average players doesn't equal one Star!!

Carmelo + Amare will not buy you a championship with mediocre support. If you enjoyed the knicks getting to playoff and that's it I respect that...

So are you saying the Knicks don't make the playoffs with Amare and the guys we have now? If so, that's probably a fair assessment.

I didnt put those words you did.

New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.8 ppg, -13.1 rpg, and -1.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Carmelo Anthony
6-8 SF from Syracuse
28.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.2 apg in 38.2 minutes
J.R. Smith
6-6 SG from St. Benedict's Prep (HS)
15.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
New York's 2013 1st rd pick
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Ronny Turiaf
6-9 C from Gonzaga
4.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.1 apg in 20.8 minutes
Kelenna Azubuike
6-5 SG from Kentucky
13.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.7 minutes
Wilson Chandler
6-8 SF from DePaul
15.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 35.7 minutes
Anthony Randolph
6-10 PF from LSU
11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 22.7 minutes

Denver Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +5.8 ppg, +13.1 rpg, and +1.0 apg.
Incoming Players
New York's 2013 1st rd pick
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Ronny Turiaf
6-9 C from Gonzaga
4.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.1 apg in 20.8 minutes
Kelenna Azubuike
6-5 SG from Kentucky
13.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.7 minutes
Wilson Chandler
6-8 SF from DePaul
15.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 35.7 minutes
Anthony Randolph
6-10 PF from LSU
11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 22.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Carmelo Anthony
6-8 SF from Syracuse
28.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.2 apg in 38.2 minutes
J.R. Smith
6-6 SG from St. Benedict's Prep (HS)
15.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.7 minutes

Denver excepts that package because it provides them with youth, cap room and a 1st rd pick.
C. = NENE
PF = RANDOLPH
SF = CHANDLER
SG = AZUBUIKE
PG = LAWSON ( trade Billups in a separate deal for more youth or picks. Thats how they rebuild cheap )
Plus a future 1st rd pick.

New York excepts deal even though they give up a future 1st plus youth in Randolph ( still unproven ), Chandler and Azaubukie who has a history of being injuried in exchange for a superstar in Melo and a solid SG who is still young in JR Smith who is in the last year of his contract. If he doesn't pan out, don't resign him next year.

C. = STATS
PF = GALLO
SF = MELO
SG = JR
PG = FELTON

Fields / Walker / Mason / Rautins / Douglas / Timo / Turiaf / JJ

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I honestly dont care what it takes to get this done. Call me a starphuckr but I'm sick and tired of waiting. I'm officially out of patience and money for season tickets to a 30 win team.

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Now-Carmelo-Anthony-wants-to-join-the-New-York-K?urn=nba-263015

The Denver Post's Mark Kiszla nails it:

There is no way Denver can afford to lose the face of its franchise for nothing as a free agent.

The Nuggets are now considering a strategy to part ways with their 26-year-old star forward, according to a league source.

After quietly gauging trade interest in Anthony for weeks, the team's consternation has only risen as he has made no move to accept a $65 million offer for a three-year contract extension that was formally presented more than a month ago.

The Nuggets don't want to get LeBron'd.

LeBron James(notes) toyed with anxious minds in Cleveland before ripping out the hearts of Cavaliers fans by announcing a departure from his home state on live television. As was first reported by The Denver Post in June, the Nuggets are prepared to trade Anthony rather than watch him opt out of his contract next summer.

I think some should take a peak at Denver's financial situation. They have almost 25 million in expiring contract to play with. Denver makes a deal to bring Carmelo some help and he is happy again.

if you believe the talk & rumors that are out there, it seems like Melo wants out

If the Rockets or Nets can present an offer that is agreeable to the Nuggets, Carmelo Anthony is open to being traded to, and signing a long-term extension with, one of these two clubs.

The story was reported by Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated, citing multiple league sources familiar with the situation.

The Knicks are believed to be Anthony's top choice.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68748/20100818/sources_melo_also_interested_in_rockets_nets/#ixzz0wzMzy5g0

They want AR Gallo Chandler Fields +picks--and of course there will be stiff competition---and its saying that he will sign--so that ups the ante right? So the deal is this you either trade your whole team away with nothing left to build with or you continue the process that we are on.

BRIGGS wrote:You see what is going on?

If the Rockets or Nets can present an offer that is agreeable to the Nuggets, Carmelo Anthony is open to being traded to, and signing a long-term extension with, one of these two clubs.

The story was reported by Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated, citing multiple league sources familiar with the situation.

The Knicks are believed to be Anthony's top choice.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68748/20100818/sources_melo_also_interested_in_rockets_nets/#ixzz0wzMzy5g0

They want AR Gallo Chandler Fields +picks--and of course there will be stiff competition---and its saying that he will sign--so that ups the ante right? So the deal is this you either trade your whole team away with nothing left to build with or you continue the process that we are on.

I recall the days of the win now :) attitude. I will be dissapointed if that is true Briggs.

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You see what is going on?

If the Rockets or Nets can present an offer that is agreeable to the Nuggets, Carmelo Anthony is open to being traded to, and signing a long-term extension with, one of these two clubs.

The story was reported by Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated, citing multiple league sources familiar with the situation.

The Knicks are believed to be Anthony's top choice.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68748/20100818/sources_melo_also_interested_in_rockets_nets/#ixzz0wzMzy5g0

They want AR Gallo Chandler Fields +picks--and of course there will be stiff competition---and its saying that he will sign--so that ups the ante right? So the deal is this you either trade your whole team away with nothing left to build with or you continue the process that we are on.

citing "multiple league sources" means about as all the rest of the rumors that are floating around out there.

No its reality---Denver will ship him to the team that gives the best package. We don't want to get into that type of battle. Herschel Walker was a very good player too.

Marv wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You see what is going on?

If the Rockets or Nets can present an offer that is agreeable to the Nuggets, Carmelo Anthony is open to being traded to, and signing a long-term extension with, one of these two clubs.

The story was reported by Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated, citing multiple league sources familiar with the situation.

The Knicks are believed to be Anthony's top choice.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68748/20100818/sources_melo_also_interested_in_rockets_nets/#ixzz0wzMzy5g0

They want AR Gallo Chandler Fields +picks--and of course there will be stiff competition---and its saying that he will sign--so that ups the ante right? So the deal is this you either trade your whole team away with nothing left to build with or you continue the process that we are on.

citing "multiple league sources" means about as all the rest of the rumors that are floating around out there.

No its reality---Denver will ship him to the team that gives the best package. We don't want to get into that type of battle. Herschel Walker was a very good player too.

why would you expect any team to give up a lot for him without getting a sign-and-trade scenario first?

Obviously a team trading for him will talk to his agent to make sure he will resign.

Marv wrote:there's no way you can make sure unless you have him signed before you trade for him.

If an agent doesn't have his word what does he have? Leon Rose isnt going to destroy his relationship with teams around the league.

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:there's no way you can make sure unless you have him signed before you trade for him.

If an agent doesn't have his word what does he have? Leon Rose isnt going to destroy his relationship with teams around the league.

melo can end up hating the team. his wife can end up hating the city. cp3 can say to him, "it's on. we're goin' to new york." the man's gonna commit 6 years of his professional prime and his legacy to this. he gets to make whatever decision he wants, even at the last second. just like lebra.

This is a very intereting perspective on whats potentially going to happen ..

There are also several reasons why Anthony’s blackmailing of the Nuggets and forcing a trade to New York would be bad news for the NBA at large.

Such a move would constitute collateral damage from the LeBron/Bosh signing with Miami. Like Cleveland, the Denver franchise would be decimated for the foreseeable future. And if teams like Cleveland, Denver and Toronto failed to keep their heroes at home, then future blue-chip free agents would be understandably reluctant to play in these talent-short ghost towns. (Kevin Durant is the exception that might prove the rule.) This would be the case no matter how much cap room might be available.

No defense
Reuniting Amar'e and D'Antoni is an idea as bad as the Knicks. Charley Rosen
Since the best players would undoubtedly seek to play in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Miami and Boston, the future of the NBA could easily consist of a handful of exceptional teams along with two dozen or so bottom-feeders. Not only would there be a boring lack of competitive balance throughout the majority of the regular season, but also small-market teams would be in jeopardy.

Franchises like Memphis, Sacramento, Charlotte, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota and New Orleans eventually could be forced to relocate. But to where?

Another alternative might be to consolidate several of the teams that would be at risk — retract instead of expand.

Considering any possible projection — and hot on the heels of “The Decision” — allowing Anthony to strong-arm the Nuggets would be ruinous for professional basketball as we know it.