NYKBocker wrote:WTF? This better not be true. Hill and a 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder. Did Isiah just took over Donnie's body?

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Knicks in serious talks for McGrady

By Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports 4 hours, 59 minutes ago

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The New York Knicks are getting closer to reaching the Houston Rockets’ demands for Tracy McGrady(notes) and his $23 million expiring contract, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Knicks and Rockets have designed the framework of a deal that would unload New York’s Jared Jeffries(notes), Jordan Hill(notes) and either Al Harrington(notes) or Larry Hughes(notes) for McGrady, Joey Dorsey(notes) and Brian Cook(notes).

As talks stood on Monday, the price of dumping the burdensome contract of Jeffries – who is owed $6.9 million next season – comes with the Knicks and Rockets exchanging 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round choice going to Houston. New York also might include a 2010 second-round pick.

The Utah Jazz own the Knicks’ first-round pick in 2010.

The discussion on potential draft picks changing hands remains fluid.

The completion of the deal isn’t imminent, but sources involved in the discussions are increasingly confident that after months of back and forth, which intensified over All-Star weekend, an agreement is within reach. TNT’s David Aldridge first reported that talks between the teams had picked up.

One of the hang-ups in the deal, sources said, could be the Knicks’ inclusion of either Harrington or Hughes. There are slight variations of the trade that would change depending on which of the two veteran Knicks’ expiring contracts are included. With Harrington over Hughes in the deal, the Rockets wouldn’t need to include Cook.

For the Knicks, the trade would accomplish two important things: First, it would get Jeffries’ salary cleared out, something general manager Donnie Walsh has tried to do since taking the job. This would give the Knicks even more flexibility to be a major player in this summer’s free-agent market. Also, the Knicks want to take a good look at McGrady and let him play as much of a role as he can handle the rest of the season. They may consider re-signing him for next season, based on his performance.

Rockets GM Daryl Morey would get Hill, the untested eighth pick in the 2009 draft, and first-round picks that could prove valuable. This will get the Rockets a significant measure of value for McGrady, who they exiled in December. McGrady, sources said, is excited about the possibility of joining the Knicks

This would definitely be an Isiah like trade. Giving up Hill AND these draft picks just to trade Jefferies? I don't agree with this at all.

Curry
Fishlips
Darko
Jordan Hill
2011 swap rights
a future lottery protected pick
James Dolan

for

T-Mac
Kyle Lowry
Joey Dorsey

If this is real....u will just never gonna feel bad when u can rob Knicks like that.
Morey is the man.

Guys...I still can't believe that we could possibly get this kind of return for McGrady.

This is very bad for the Knicks - if they fail to land Lebron AND one of Wade/Bosh/Johnson then this trade - essentially 2 Knicks first rounders and the higher of two first round pics - will be seen as something that could severely hurt the franchise for years to come.

If the Knicks couldn't sign a top tier talent in the offseason, the 2011 draft swap could potentially be HUUUUGE.

Dude, if they don't sign one (or two) of the top tier free agents this summer then they'll have sacrificed their 2009 first rounder, their 2012 first rounder and will have the lower of two selections in 2011. Add in the fact that they don't have a 2010 first rounder and that will be a long drought on quality draft picks.

If this Happens - Praise Morey for his divine talents then...

PPPPPAAAAAARRRTRTTTYYYYYYTYY! - For all you drinkers - At the expense of the Knicks Franchise

- This is for Morey. You sir Are A King!

- Drink, Drink Drink!

- why the Knicks would do this IDK

PARTY LIKE A ROCKSTAR!

THANK YOU MOREY - MOREY IS ON FIRE!

Allanfan20 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:WTF? This better not be true. Hill and a 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder. Did Isiah just took over Donnie's body?

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Knicks in serious talks for McGrady

By Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports 4 hours, 59 minutes ago

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The New York Knicks are getting closer to reaching the Houston Rockets’ demands for Tracy McGrady(notes) and his $23 million expiring contract, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Knicks and Rockets have designed the framework of a deal that would unload New York’s Jared Jeffries(notes), Jordan Hill(notes) and either Al Harrington(notes) or Larry Hughes(notes) for McGrady, Joey Dorsey(notes) and Brian Cook(notes).

As talks stood on Monday, the price of dumping the burdensome contract of Jeffries – who is owed $6.9 million next season – comes with the Knicks and Rockets exchanging 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round choice going to Houston. New York also might include a 2010 second-round pick.

The Utah Jazz own the Knicks’ first-round pick in 2010.

The discussion on potential draft picks changing hands remains fluid.

The completion of the deal isn’t imminent, but sources involved in the discussions are increasingly confident that after months of back and forth, which intensified over All-Star weekend, an agreement is within reach. TNT’s David Aldridge first reported that talks between the teams had picked up.

One of the hang-ups in the deal, sources said, could be the Knicks’ inclusion of either Harrington or Hughes. There are slight variations of the trade that would change depending on which of the two veteran Knicks’ expiring contracts are included. With Harrington over Hughes in the deal, the Rockets wouldn’t need to include Cook.

For the Knicks, the trade would accomplish two important things: First, it would get Jeffries’ salary cleared out, something general manager Donnie Walsh has tried to do since taking the job. This would give the Knicks even more flexibility to be a major player in this summer’s free-agent market. Also, the Knicks want to take a good look at McGrady and let him play as much of a role as he can handle the rest of the season. They may consider re-signing him for next season, based on his performance.

Rockets GM Daryl Morey would get Hill, the untested eighth pick in the 2009 draft, and first-round picks that could prove valuable. This will get the Rockets a significant measure of value for McGrady, who they exiled in December. McGrady, sources said, is excited about the possibility of joining the Knicks

This would definitely be an Isiah like trade. Giving up Hill AND these draft picks just to trade Jefferies? I don't agree with this at all.

OK... Is this NYC or what?
This organization cannot be run without trades like this.
You like it or you dont - NYC is the DRAMA; and if you want some San-Atonio/Utah type ways, just forget it.
This is just a continuation of the All-in move we are in.
The old man has nothing to lose and no time to wait.
If we end up on losing site and the FA cards will not work for us - we will leave the table with nothing. So what???!!! - we are NOTHING anyways.
Lets gamble!!!!

arkrud wrote:OK... Is this NYC or what?
This organization cannot be run without trades like this.
You like it or you dont - NYC is the DRAMA; and if you want some San-Atonio/Utah type ways, just forget it.
This is just a continuation of the All-in move we are in.
The old man has nothing to lose and no time to wait.
If we end up on losing site and the FA cards will not work for us - we will leave the table with nothing. So what we are NOTHING anyways.
Lets gamble!!!!

Russian Roulette with a six shooter loaded with 5 bullets.

AnubisADL wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:everything about walsh's run in indiana shows he's not stupid - you may not think he was the best GM in the league, but he proved to put together solid teams. you have to think that if he's giving up a guy that he selected 8th in the previous draft that he has a plan on whats to come. whether it be guys he knows that will sign here or whatever the case may be.

you can say im wearing rose-colored glasses, but doesn't his reputation precede him?

This has Dolan's finger prints all over it. David Lee makes the all star team and now we may move Hill with Jefferies.

i have no problem with moving hill though.. if we can get lowery back in this trade, i actually like it. i would just have to think lowry has to be included in this deal in the end.

to me getting a 23y/o PG who can actually create for others and play defense + ridding jeffries contract which would allow us to get 2 max FA is a big plus to me. i understand we are giving up a guy that we selected 8th in the draft, but im not fond of him. so that part of the deal really doesn't matter to me. the draft picks scare me, but ill wait til the trade is official to judge those, too often rumored draft picks end up being wrong rumors.

now as allanfan said, if donnie ends up striking out in FA then this was an absolute horrid deal, but im going on the fact that donnie has to know SOMETHING to keep trying to clear more and more capspace. the guy was a very solid GM for 20 years in indiana, he's not stupid. i have my faith in donnie.

tkf wrote:everything about this deal stinks.. Just stinks... the need to get rid of jeffries is so overplayed. For me, if we don't get lebron, use the money wisely, wait till jeffries and curry drop of the following year and make another FA move.. giving up hill and a Pick, plus a swap is assinine!!!

Its adult time. The electric company is going to turn the lights out if we don't get the bills paid, so its time to sell your lawnmower to keep your family warm this winter.

Yeah, it will suck to give up Hill and a #1 pick twenty-five months from now.

Here's what the reality is, we need to have room to get two of the MaxFA's in order to get one. Once you accept that reality, then you understand that you need to cut more cap. There are only a couple of ways left to do that. Probably the least ugly way to do that is to include Hill in a deal to get rid of one of our remaining veteran deals. Dropping Wilson would be the worst because that would cripple us even further down the road.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

tkf wrote:everything about this deal stinks.. Just stinks... the need to get rid of jeffries is so overplayed. For me, if we don't get lebron, use the money wisely, wait till jeffries and curry drop of the following year and make another FA move.. giving up hill and a Pick, plus a swap is assinine!!!

Its adult time. The electric company is going to turn the lights out if we don't get the bills paid, so its time to sell your lawnmower to keep your family warm this winter.

Yeah, it will suck to give up Hill and a #1 pick twenty-five months from now.

Here's what the reality is, we need to have room to get two of the MaxFA's in order to get one. Once you accept that reality, then you understand that you need to cut more cap. There are only a couple of ways left to do that. Probably the least ugly way to do that is to include Hill in a deal to get rid of one of our remaining veteran deals. Dropping Wilson would be the worst because that would cripple us even further down the road.

25 months goes by very quick now. If we do this and have no free agents to show for it (More like, at least LeBron, Bosh, Wade) then everyone should be fired. We hired D'Antoni for this reason. Walsh said the goal was to get free agents. Now we're making even more sacrifices for this. After this trade, there is no plan B. Without this trade, at least we still have capspace and a draft pick if we strike out.

Assumption is the mother of all f' ups.