orangeblobman wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

JesseDark wrote:One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.

Why the heck would you like something like that? A hard intentional foul? That's the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

He could have done a hard "legal" foul and not been called for the flagrant, but the concept of making an opponent "pay" with a hard foul has long been accepted as a way to make the opposition more wary of driving on you. It was a cornerstone of the Ewing/Oakley years.

The team is playing D now, for goodness sake- don't hear folks ranting about MDA not being able to teach defense anymore, do we. Guys are buying into it, and it shows in the number of points we are letting up.

That whole concept from the Ewing/Oakley years, it's very evil, because it can lead to injury. Injury is the only reason I am against it. Is so bad!

The goal of a hard foul is not to injure, but to serve as a reminder to the opposition that you are not going to let opponents get to your basket with impunity.

Every major competitive team sport has a similar play- a hard tackle on a receiver coming over the middle to make a catch in FB, a pitcher coming in high and inside on a batter in BB, or hard hitting along the boards in hockey.

Jeffries, Chandler, Gallo, and now Bender give us a little shot blocking toughness on the inside. We are finally putting out some guys who care about keeping guys from scoring, and are willing to make the effort to do so. Something for you to applaud, not be appalled by.

Q. Franco12 - How do we know if Jordan has earned his minutes?

A. As long as he is on the Pine, he hasn't earned minutes

Q. Franco12 - Is there any chance that Hill has earned minutes, but isn't getting them?

A. Nope. Unless you subscribe to the theory that D'Antoni is a despised, vindictive head coach with a spiteful agenda. Then again, Bill Parcells was a despised, vindictive head coach with a spiteful agenda and he got results.

Q. Franco12 - if JJ is getting minutes so he can be traded, has he earned them?

A. JJ has earned minutes because he can defend both guards and centers.

Q. Franco12 - And Curry getting his weight down to below 300, doesn't that show some kind of desire, some level of motivation that would reflect on someone 'earning minutes'?

A. No, losing the weight only shows the desire to fit into his uniform jersey.

Q. TMS - u mean to tell me a guy we picked up who hasn't played in 4 years & has had all of 2 practices w/the team is more ready than Jordan Hill?

A. Yep. Bender obviously made excellent use of his time on the practice court in Houston against other pros. Those games at the athletic club are legendary.

Q. Franco12 - Is Hill one the players to build around?

A. Perhaps

Q. Franco12 - Is Douglas?

A. Yes, until a better guard comes along. Nothing is guaranteed.

Q. Franco12 - outside of Gallo, who is staying long term?

A. Long term? You mean who will be here in five years? Okay, I'll play along. Jordan Hill because he is raw 6'11 and energetic and will be 26 in five years... David Lee because he seems to be getting better and will be 30 in five years, The Mayor because he is only 22 and is just recently working his way into rhythm after a summer of rehab and will only be 27 in five years, Jon Bender because seven footers who can bust a three or dribble/ drive are as rare as diamonds and he will only be 32 in five years... and still in his prime.

knicks1248 - did you notice Harrington on the bench down the stretch last night?

I think the gradual turnover to the Walsh/ D'Antoni Knicks is apparent.

This weeks results as follows:

IN - Bender, Chandler, Gallo, Duhon, Lee, Jeffries, Douglas

ON THE BUBBLE - Harrington, Hughes

YOOTS GOT NEXT - Hill, Landry

PINE BROTHERS - Curry, Nate

IN EXILE - Darko

ROSTER SPOT TO BE OR NOT TO BE - Mobley

nixluva wrote:Why should we be clamoring for Hill to play at this point? The kid is likely gonna be here for a long time and he's gonna be able to practice with a guy like Bender and learn from him. I see no real reason to just give the kid minutes if we're winning games with more dependable vets. He's a kid that still has a lot to learn.

Let's not forget that he's NEVER been used the way MDA is looking to use him. He has to learn the game from a much deeper level than he's used to playing. Let's just assume that MDA has seen enough in his time to know when a player is ready. He wants to win and if he was hands down above anyone else he'd be playing.

dude, ur talking nonsense... he played off the P&R a lot w/Nic Wise at Arizona & provided the shotblocking that alot of you are praising Bender for bringing (dude blocked 1 shot during a game & he's Dikembe Mutombo all of a sudden?)... Jordan Hill is a tenacious rebounder & would provide some much needed interior toughness... we've already seen him come in & hold his own against someone like Andrew Bynum when he was completely owning guys like D Lee & Fishlips on the inside all game long... Hill also has a very nice midrange J that is effective when teams play off on D to clog up the cutting lanes... he is a perfect fit for what MDA wants to run here... just cuz he doesn't launch up 3 pointers doesn't mean he wouldn't be effective in the sets MDA likes to run... sorry but playing Bender for short stretches won't effect Wins & Losses any more than playing Hill those minutes would... Bender comes out & hits 2 baskets & all of a sudden he's the answer to our problems at C? so i guess when Jordan Hill came out vs. GS & scored 10 points on 5 of 5 shooting & grabbed 3 boards in 14 minutes he wasn't ready then? that's nonsense.

Paladin55 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

JesseDark wrote:One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.

Why the heck would you like something like that? A hard intentional foul? That's the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

He could have done a hard "legal" foul and not been called for the flagrant, but the concept of making an opponent "pay" with a hard foul has long been accepted as a way to make the opposition more wary of driving on you. It was a cornerstone of the Ewing/Oakley years.

The team is playing D now, for goodness sake- don't hear folks ranting about MDA not being able to teach defense anymore, do we. Guys are buying into it, and it shows in the number of points we are letting up.

That whole concept from the Ewing/Oakley years, it's very evil, because it can lead to injury. Injury is the only reason I am against it. Is so bad!

Is this an attempt at humor on your part? Can't figure you out. Have you played the game at any level?

The goal of a hard foul is not to injure, but to serve as a reminder to the opposition that you are not going to let opponents get to your basket with impunity.

Every major competitive team sport has a similar play- a hard tackle on a receiver coming over the middle to make a catch in FB, a pitcher coming in high and inside on a batter in BB, or hard hitting along the boards in hockey.

Jeffries, Chandler, Gallo, and now Bender give us a little shot blocking toughness on the inside. We are finally putting out some guys who care about keeping guys from scoring, and are willing to make the effort to do so. Something for you to applaud, not be appalled by.

I can't figure you out. Hell yea I've played...at the park growing up and most recently rec league (B-league) in my town; we were winless in our last season.

But I'm just saying that flagrant fouls are horrible, like tackling a guy in mid air. There is a difference between that and a good hard foul. I am against pushing a person in mid air, which is what Bender did. To me, a hard foul is coming down really hard on someone's arms as they're going up or something.

Bender said that would not have been a flagrant foul four years ago.

"Definitely not," Bender said. "When Gordon goes to the rack, he bumps into you. I just put my arm out."

11 points in 11 minutes

3-3 from three point range

orangeblobman wrote:Imagine what he could do with cartilage?

I thought you were killing yourself if Bender ever got minutes. Welcome back