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Gallo looks like the best in his draft class
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CrushAlot
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12/10/2009  11:10 PM
I watch both the Knicks and the Nets but if the Knicks are on I watch the Nets when the Knicks go to commercial break. Trust me, Lopez is very good. He is on a bad team and should benefit from Harris, Lee, and Dooling being back but would really benefit from a serious three point threat. I think the Nets gave up alot when they traded Anderson. Gallo has shown flashes and sometimes is very exciting to watch. I don't know if that will translate to the 'it' quality you talk about or the 'level of upside' other posters are writing about. What I do know is that Lopez has tremendous size, and is a very good center who puts up consistently good numbers. There are not many guys like him in the league right now. Numbers on a team with 32% winning percentage aren't that different from numbers on a team as bad as the Nets.
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tkf
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12/10/2009  11:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I really do not get the 'level of upside' comparison between Lopez and Gallinari. I also do not get the Zo/Shaq comparison. Shaq was the most physically dominant player of his era and his numbers were better than Zo's right away. If the comparison between Lopez and Gallo has Gallo represented by Shaq I think that it is minimally a bad example. Both Gallo and Lopez have shown growth in their second year and the increase in their numbers almost mirrors the other. The biggest difference is one guy increased his blocks to over 2, his points to just below 20 and his rebounds to 9. I must be missing something but I still think having a franchise type center who consistently shoots a high percentage from the field and the free throw line, rebounds, and blocks shots and isn't injury prone is a positive step toward building a championship team and a rarity.

It really wasn't a zo/ shaq comparison.. what i am trying to say is that some guys peak early. I am sure when zo came into the league averaging 21/10 that a lot of people thought that his upside was endless.. I can even remember some saying that shaq was not that much better.... despite shaq being a physical force, you still could see the room for growth in his game...

what I think most people see with gallo is a lot of growth physically and a lot of skills that can be refined even more, skills with a lot of room to grow.....

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12/11/2009  12:36 AM
fishmike wrote:
Juice wrote:If we drafted Lopez and he produced like he has the past several, several, several games would we as Knick fans honestly be capping his potential? I think not!!!
I would be yes thrilled to have gotten Lopez where he was picked. Especially with Lee already in the mix. What nice tandem to have!

The point of this thread was to make fun of the snap judgements people come to around here. Many many posts have been dedicated to how bad a pick Gallo was. We had to listen all summer long about Anthony Randolph's summer league games while Gallo rehabbed from surgery. Its silly.

The Lopez drama is just that. I think Gallo's skills set, size and athleticism gives him a higher ceiling than Lopez. I think the same things that help Lopez back in school are holding him back now and thats not going to improve because those things rarely do. I also said Lopez is ahead of Gallo right now developmentally. No doubt. Both are good picks. Who will be better has yet to be determined.

I have also said that people often complain about the Knicks taking low ceiling players (Frye over Bynum and Hill over Jennings come to mind.)

So what do you think Gallo's ceiling is now? Quite a lot higher than what was thought this summer no?


This is what I see, too. For folks like me, who were happy with the pick, or did not see him as a foolish choice, it was hard to sit back and defend Gallinari without gameplay evidence for support. At this point in the season we have some evidence, though. Still too early to reach final judgement about where he stands in this draft or how good he will end up becoming, but supporters of the Italian have a lot more to feel good about. I could have seen myself starting this kind of thread the middle of next year, if he continues to evolve, in response to the guys who have constantly attacked him as a player while having wet dreams about the ones who got away. It seemed like every day there was another "We should have taken this guy instead of Gallo" thread. Don't see many of these now.

Compare him to anyone in his draft at this point, and he is in the conversation about who might end up being the best player in his class. You can make legitimate cases at this time for picking Lopez or Gordon, but you can now defend Gallo without being laughed at.

Quite a turnaround, IMO, and quite worthy of a thread like this one, even if it is a bit premature.

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12/11/2009  8:14 AM
What I like most about Lopez is, for a second year center, he's shown a lot of consistency. He'll still have an occasional bad game, but mostly you can depend on him to get his points, rebounds and blocks. Gallinari hasn't developed that kind of consistency yet - probably because his injury last season set him back a lot. When Gallinari does develop some more consistency, it will be easier to make this comparison.
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12/11/2009  9:07 AM
Ira wrote:What I like most about Lopez is, for a second year center, he's shown a lot of consistency. He'll still have an occasional bad game, but mostly you can depend on him to get his points, rebounds and blocks. Gallinari hasn't developed that kind of consistency yet - probably because his injury last season set him back a lot. When Gallinari does develop some more consistency, it will be easier to make this comparison.

For what it is worth, Lopez is looked for much more by his teammates than Gallinari is at this point, and the only major thing he has to do to get the ball is establish his position in the post. Lopez, like Lee, also benefits from the pick and role.

I like Lopez, though. He is hard working with a surprisingly soft shot. I don't think his foot speed will ever increase that much, and he needs to become a better passer when he is double teamed, but the guy is solid.

The teams who really missed on him are Miami and Minny, though. Wade would have had a solid center and not a 6'7" "PF" who is a potential head case, and Minny would have been able to move Jefferson to PF, where he should be playing.

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12/11/2009  11:52 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Juice wrote:If we drafted Lopez and he produced like he has the past several, several, several games would we as Knick fans honestly be capping his potential? I think not!!!
I would be yes thrilled to have gotten Lopez where he was picked. Especially with Lee already in the mix. What nice tandem to have!

The point of this thread was to make fun of the snap judgements people come to around here. Many many posts have been dedicated to how bad a pick Gallo was. We had to listen all summer long about Anthony Randolph's summer league games while Gallo rehabbed from surgery. Its silly.

The Lopez drama is just that. I think Gallo's skills set, size and athleticism gives him a higher ceiling than Lopez. I think the same things that help Lopez back in school are holding him back now and thats not going to improve because those things rarely do. I also said Lopez is ahead of Gallo right now developmentally. No doubt. Both are good picks. Who will be better has yet to be determined.

I have also said that people often complain about the Knicks taking low ceiling players (Frye over Bynum and Hill over Jennings come to mind.)

So what do you think Gallo's ceiling is now? Quite a lot higher than what was thought this summer no?


This is what I see, too. For folks like me, who were happy with the pick, or did not see him as a foolish choice, it was hard to sit back and defend Gallinari without gameplay evidence for support. At this point in the season we have some evidence, though. Still too early to reach final judgement about where he stands in this draft or how good he will end up becoming, but supporters of the Italian have a lot more to feel good about. I could have seen myself starting this kind of thread the middle of next year, if he continues to evolve, in response to the guys who have constantly attacked him as a player while having wet dreams about the ones who got away. It seemed like every day there was another "We should have taken this guy instead of Gallo" thread. Don't see many of these now.

Compare him to anyone in his draft at this point, and he is in the conversation about who might end up being the best player in his class. You can make legitimate cases at this time for picking Lopez or Gordon, but you can now defend Gallo without being laughed at.

Quite a turnaround, IMO, and quite worthy of a thread like this one, even if it is a bit premature.


excellent post.. it was tough for me as well. I remember defending gallo the same way I do hill, and that is just give him a chance.. the problem I had is that some posters were just ruthless and unreasonable.. it went beyond personal choice to just bashing him, because they can... So now, I am really happy he is doing well and look forward to the future for sure...

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Gallo looks like the best in his draft class

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