crzymdups wrote:iverson is the best case scenario for this team right now - he is talented with the ball in his hands, looking for redemption and to save his reputation and happy to sign a short term deal.

his reputation as a malcontent is completely overblown. he's never been in marbury's league in that department. iverson is a career winner who plays hard every night.

sign iverson, donnie. do it.

Completely agree here. He has become a malcontent all of a sudden just because he believes he should be a starter? It is ridiculous. The only way to get the most out of Iverson is to feature him on offense. He knows that and it seems like a lot of people still don't know it. AI can still have a ton of value to a team if he is used properly. He is a perfect fit for our team because we are a team full of role players that needs a leader/star player/go-to guy.

This a low-risk/high-reward scenario and I'm glad to see that it looks like Donnie agrees.

He isn't perfect, I don't think anyone is even saying he is a good character guy. What we are saying is he can help turn the culture around this season. I don't care what you say, losing doesn't breed a good team culture. What exactly are we building right now? Yes, we have some good character guys but losing over 55 games won't help move us forward.

McK1 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Cosmic wrote:
It's a no brainer that Billups makes any team better than Iverson can. Not even a debate.

So we have to cater to Iverson and it'll be okay?

No practice: "Cause they know what I can do I dont gotta practice."
Start him and let him do everything he wants: "Cause I know what I can do."

Then what? We watch our youth regress and pick up garbage habits from this perennial loser?

Allen Iverson has been a DISASTER since he left Philly and the only reason he was good in Philly was because a once in a lifetime roster was put together where you had 14 two-way high IQ hard working team oriented defenders who could make good of his gunning away.

Iverson is a has been...and has been for years. This guy is NOT:

you are delusional.

AI and Melo carried that team to 50 wins. AI avg'd 26 pts and 7 assists. Nene missed the whole season and Martin was in and out of the line-up.

Billups could not do what AI did for that team minus those 2. As we seen in the first few games in Detroit b4 he go traded, if there is noone there to rebound his stupid ass 5-6 contested momentum breaking 3's he really stinks and his team looks awful.

WHAT?! Sure, 50 wins, 26 poitns, 7 assists, WOW GREAT THINGS.

But they sucked and flamed out when it mattered most. Billups instantly righted the ship and now the Nuggets are CONTENDERS IN THE WEST AND MELO IS IN MVP RUNNING.

Anyone defending AI, at all, should be in a mental hospital.

righted the ship? so you don't believe having a healthy Nene and Martin was the true cause of Denver being more successful?

"Medic...we're losing him!"

Add a top 10 center and one of the best defenders at the 4 in the game and even NY will look like they can win it all.

+1 Bingo!....man in the middle please. Boys need not apply.

Just remember, all of youz guys were all for kicking out Marbury unceremoniously even though he had something to contribute last season. Now the Knicks are so desperate they want to obtain one of the few players that outdoes Marbury in poor behavior. Do you see the irony? really, why can't you stick to your guns? One little crappy season and you sell your souls!

Seriously, what does Iverson bring to this team that changes their fortunes? If the Knicks are not going to threaten to make the playoffs, the best he will do is make it so Utah gets the #3 pick instead of the #1 pick. The Knicks won't be good with him or without him. The season is already finito!

What happened to all the talk of developing the youth? Not gonna happen with Iverson! Of Character? Iverson's won't improve! You do realize that Iverson has quit on 2 teams in 2009? What makes you think that he will behave any better here?

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Like somebody mentioned above, it really does seem to be true that you can't rebuild in New York, you guys don't have the stomach for the plan that you seem to want.

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Sigh, well at the very least it might be entertaining, Iverson drops 50 one night while the Knicks lose, then he and D'Antoni get into it, and we can argue and read about the soap opera.

The Knicks can't play basketball very well, but they sure know how to produce a first class Novella!

oohah

TMS wrote:oohah, if Marbury were still a 20+ ppg calibre player, people would not have been in such a rush to ship his ass out of NY... u telling me AI can't put up 20+ playing on this team in this system dominating the offense? u telling me that wouldn't be preferable to watching Duhon go 1 for 90 shooting this season?

the plan is for 2010 that we're being patient for... 2009 is a throw away season... if u can bring in AI to entertain the fans for a year w/o sacrificing the 2010 plan, what do u have to lose?

It simply goes against all the principles the Knicks and many of our friends on this board were purporting to espouse. Good character on the team, team concept, develop the youth etc.

You sign Iverson and it becomes all about Iverson, I hope that is not in dispute. I guess at this point it is all about entertainment. Pull up a seat a grab the popcorn Broseph!

All I am saying is I don't want to hear about Galinari not getting enough shots etc.

What do the Knicks have to lose? Nothing I guess, their self-respect is already "Swayze"!

oohah

TMS wrote:right now Duhon is not looking to get Gallinari shots in the least... all he's concerned about is running the P&R with Lee, at least that's how it seems every time he's penetrating into the lane... IMO having a penetrating G like AI who commands respect in the lane will open up many more open shooting opportunities for Gallinari, Chandler & Harrington... AI will average 7-8 assists in his sleep playing on this team, which is an upgrade over what Duhon's giving us right now.

Iverson gets assists because he has the ball all the time. It has always been that way. Lots of assists doesn't mean good passing. He only passes when he totally runs out of crappy shots to shoot. He's not going to be LOOKING for Galinari, or anyone else for that matter, the way a certain star rookie PG would have been.

oohah

TMS wrote:how the hell would Jennings be any different than AI? he looks for his shot first & foremost... hell, he's averaging less APG than Duhon for that matter.

Jennings would be on a rookie contract in the beginning of his career, not on his second 1 year contact in one of his last seasons... next five years vs next 5 months.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

TMS wrote:how the hell would Jennings be any different than AI? he looks for his shot first & foremost... hell, he's averaging less APG than Duhon for that matter.

Jennings would be on a rookie contract in the beginning of his career, not on his second 1 year contact in one of his last seasons... next five years vs next 5 months.

that's not the point i was alluding to... in terms of style of play, oohah suggested Jennings would be looking to set up teammates in a way that AI wouldn't... how do u come to that conclusion? Jennings has the ball in his hands all the time too, & he takes his fair share of crappy shots.