Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by Pharzeone:


Agents, may try to take the approach that their clients won't be working out against competition until they find out that their stock is falling. Bayless is the prime example of that last season. Watching players like Griffin go against somebody else is a little useless since most scouts and GMs had plenty of opportunities to scout them in games for years. That is the difference from drafting a known prospect vs. an unknown.

Will you be upset if the Knicks take Rubio without seeing him in a workout against U.S. prospects?

Yes, that's why I stated, "I hope they take scouting serious this year."

The biggest issue with you- and a legitimate one- is whether Gallinari was injured prior to the draft and whether or not this might have showed up during more elaborate workouts.

I'm confident that the Knicks knew of pain issues concerning his back which Donnie wrote off as "growing pains" on draft night. I don't hear about "growing pains" anymore, just disc issues and pain relating to it. Kiki just confirmed what I and others believed.

I think that pre-draft workouts will be important proving grounds for a lot of prospects this year, since they all seem to have specific weaknesses, and few of them have separated themselves from the pack, but I think the Knicks would have no problem taking Rubio without the kind of workouts you would like to see take place.

I have less issue with Rubio going on a one and none workout then Gallinari since he is a more known prospect and has already displayed abilities in real time games against quality NBA players. I would still like to see the Knicks put him through a real workout.



By the way- I don't think anyone has done a Jason Thompson thread on UK. Bayless, Gordon, Lopez, Randolph, and Augustin have all had threads, but I don't think anyone has looked back on the draft and started a thread about how we should have taken Thompson last year.

I clearly recall a Jordan vs. Speights vs. Thompson debates prior to the draft and there are a couple of Thompson threads early in the season. Especially, around the time when the Knicks went on their first west coast trip and played SAC.

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Well I hope the Knicks hold serious workouts this year for all their participants rather than that one on none garbage they granted Gallinari.

I think that a lot of that is determined by the players and their agents. If I remember correctly, a number of the top picks had agents who got their clients the type of workout that Gallinari got.

I agree, however, that I would rather have contending prospects playing against each other in front of team evaluators.

I wonder if fans would care about workouts, though. I seem to recall reading that Jason Thompson had destroyed (perhaps too strong of a word) Anthony Randolph and some other big men in some pre-draft workouts last year and that Nelson wanted to take him over Randolph- but I just can't picture the many people on UK who had hard-ons for Randolph because of some spectacular highlights turning against their boy because of some workouts where he was dominated by Thompson, a solid, but unexciting 4 year player who was not a YouTube darling and who they had never had a chance to watch on TV because of the school he played at.

How many Knicks' fans were crying out for Thompson to be picked last year? If the Knicks had held workouts where Thompson looked better than Randolph I can guarantee you that guys would have been coming up with excuses for taking Randolph anyway and ridiculed a pick of Thompson over Randolph by the Knicks.

Fans have their own favorites, and will go out of their way to defend them when comparisons are made, and I doubt if they would care how players were evaluated by their teams if their favorite came up short in the evaluations.

MDA had a chance to watch Rubio play against a team he coached, by the way, and Rubio, like Gallinari, has been one of the most watched Euro-stars of his day. I wonder if Rubio's agent will allow him to play in workouts with other prospects. I would expect his agent to ask for the same special workouts that Rose (I'm pretty sure that he had a special workout), Gallinari, and others had last year.

A decision to refuse to do workouts with other prospects doesn't make Rubio any less of a prospect.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by TMS:

hope u got this one bookmarked Bip.

i think rubio will angle himself here. it's easy enough to do - particularly with internationals. you don't work out for a team, are they going to pick you blind?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by TMS:

hope u got this one bookmarked Bip.

i think rubio will angle himself here. it's easy enough to do - particularly with internationals. you don't work out for a team, are they going to pick you blind?

the buyout complications work in our favor, but our lottery placement doesn't... is Rubio gonna give up millions in guaranteed rookie scale dollars to come to the Knicks?

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Ira:

If we're lucky enough to get the pick that gets us Rubio, he immediately becomes the best passing guard the Knicks have ever had (yes, I've seen Clyde). He also becomes one of the top ten passing guards in the history of the league - I'm including Kidd, Magic, Stockton, Nash, Cousy and Robertson. In addition to that, he's a pretty good defender and has an improving outside shot. And the kid is 19.

Why not just call him a Hall of Famer right now. Don't stop. If you are going to make a fool out of yourself then go for the gusto. I mean does he really have to play a game. He's better than Magic, Kidd, Stockton, West, Cousy and Clyde combined. His defense is 2nd to none. Jordan only wished that he had this kid's potential. Tell Jerry his days on the face of everything is over. Just put Rubio's image on all things NBA and be done with it.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Well this conversation is done

Maybe Derozan will fall to us