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1/5/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

How do you all feel about Bellinelli being the center of a trade instead of Bayless? Bayless is really an unknown quantity being a rookie and a PG who is probably better as a SG. With Bellinelli you get someone who has height (6'5") can shoot and defend. He would also fit this system (as would Bayless). We need another guard, SG moreso, in the worst way, so perhaps we should go for that...

Bellinelli is a horrific defender. One of the worst in the league. I dont where the idea came from that he can actually defend.

Its been stated in this thread before, so let me add to the chorus: A package involving lee must have either Fernandez or Bayless coming back in return. I'm not sold on Rodriquez at all. He has skill, but I haven't seen much evidence that he will develop into a player that can significantly contribute to a winning squad. That's too big a risk to take.

Wouldnt take any Portland offer seriously that didnt involve either of those two.

Bayless or fernandez is not enough... we are getting so much smaller in this deal, it's not funny...
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1/5/2009  3:17 PM
if the blazers are not trading roy, alrdige or oden, they would be stealing lee from the knicks.

all those parts in portland ain't all that. imho, they need to cash in all those mediocre swing men for a vet player.
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1/5/2009  3:19 PM
Portland is going to get rid of some dead weight and bring in a player and then have money for free agency.
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1/5/2009  3:23 PM
The knicks also have Nate as a restricted free agent who'll garner some attention around the league. I always thought Golden State was a good fit for Lee.

So I think a trade of Lee&Nate for Bellini&Randolf would work.
We are sending better talent but they're restricted free agents. The Warriors have a bunch of players locked up long-term so re-signing Lee & Nate is something they would do.
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1/5/2009  3:24 PM
The knicks also have Nate as a restricted free agent who'll garner some attention around the league. I always thought Golden State was a good fit for Lee.

So I think a trade of Lee&Nate for Bellini&Randolf would work.
We are sending better talent but they're restricted free agents. The Warriors have a bunch of players locked up long-term so re-signing Lee & Nate is something they would do.
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1/5/2009  3:33 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

How do you all feel about Bellinelli being the center of a trade instead of Bayless? Bayless is really an unknown quantity being a rookie and a PG who is probably better as a SG. With Bellinelli you get someone who has height (6'5") can shoot and defend. He would also fit this system (as would Bayless). We need another guard, SG moreso, in the worst way, so perhaps we should go for that...

Bellinelli is a horrific defender. One of the worst in the league. I dont where the idea came from that he can actually defend.

Its been stated in this thread before, so let me add to the chorus: A package involving lee must have either Fernandez or Bayless coming back in return. I'm not sold on Rodriquez at all. He has skill, but I haven't seen much evidence that he will develop into a player that can significantly contribute to a winning squad. That's too big a risk to take.

Wouldnt take any Portland offer seriously that didnt involve either of those two.

Bayless or fernandez is not enough... we are getting so much smaller in this deal, it's not funny...

Oh for sure...but the package must include one of those two, or one of their higher end players....I'm not trying to hear this shyt about just taking a flyer on Rodriquez, who hasnt shown that he is capable of producing anything consistent at this level, Frye and a weak draft pick. I dont know why people around here are willing to give up Lee for practically anything other GM's just want to get rid of.
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1/5/2009  3:51 PM
I think Rodriguez will always be the good passing point guard who just can't shoot. Bayless is the guy I wanted in the draft, but he hasn't looked good in limited minutes, so I think you either have to get Fernandez or Bayless and a first.
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1/5/2009  3:53 PM
Posted by TLover:

The knicks also have Nate as a restricted free agent who'll garner some attention around the league. I always thought Golden State was a good fit for Lee.

So I think a trade of Lee&Nate for Bellini&Randolf would work.
We are sending better talent but they're restricted free agents. The Warriors have a bunch of players locked up long-term so re-signing Lee & Nate is something they would do.

Nate and lee are really good and I dont think Bellinelli is going to amount to much in the league, so I hope Briggs is right on Randolph cause thats a steep price.
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1/5/2009  4:04 PM
Bellinelli can shoot but I am not sure he can do much else. Randoplh is supposed to be really good but I have watched him play only once and he looked more like a project (with potential) rather than an up and coming star. Dude has hops though. Bellinelli and Randolph for Nate and Lee is a huge risk. The only benefit to that deal is that you would not have to pay Bellinelli and Randolph until after the summer of 2010, so if they developed, you could have good players on our team and still have more than enough cap space to sign two max players. Although Randolph is intriguing, I would NOT do that deal.
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1/5/2009  4:11 PM
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1/5/2009  4:12 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

How do you all feel about Bellinelli being the center of a trade instead of Bayless? Bayless is really an unknown quantity being a rookie and a PG who is probably better as a SG. With Bellinelli you get someone who has height (6'5") can shoot and defend. He would also fit this system (as would Bayless). We need another guard, SG moreso, in the worst way, so perhaps we should go for that...

Bellinelli is a horrific defender. One of the worst in the league. I dont where the idea came from that he can actually defend.

Its been stated in this thread before, so let me add to the chorus: A package involving lee must have either Fernandez or Bayless coming back in return. I'm not sold on Rodriquez at all. He has skill, but I haven't seen much evidence that he will develop into a player that can significantly contribute to a winning squad. That's too big a risk to take.

Wouldnt take any Portland offer seriously that didnt involve either of those two.

Thanks for the reply. I was reading the Golden State board last night and they were saying he was the only guard there who could defend. They were talking him up not unlike how we talk our players up. I've been watching the box scores and he is not playing bad, not great, hitting at a Crawford like pace right now, but he is only in his second year and his size to play the SG, though D'Antoni doesn't seem bothered by mismatches. I was hoping to pry Randolph along with him as the guy has talent and can block shots. But we still would be missing someone in the middle.
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1/5/2009  4:26 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

How do you all feel about Bellinelli being the center of a trade instead of Bayless? Bayless is really an unknown quantity being a rookie and a PG who is probably better as a SG. With Bellinelli you get someone who has height (6'5") can shoot and defend. He would also fit this system (as would Bayless). We need another guard, SG moreso, in the worst way, so perhaps we should go for that...

Bellinelli is a horrific defender. One of the worst in the league. I dont where the idea came from that he can actually defend.

Its been stated in this thread before, so let me add to the chorus: A package involving lee must have either Fernandez or Bayless coming back in return. I'm not sold on Rodriquez at all. He has skill, but I haven't seen much evidence that he will develop into a player that can significantly contribute to a winning squad. That's too big a risk to take.

Wouldnt take any Portland offer seriously that didnt involve either of those two.

Thanks for the reply. I was reading the Golden State board last night and they were saying he was the only guard there who could defend. They were talking him up not unlike how we talk our players up. I've been watching the box scores and he is not playing bad, not great, hitting at a Crawford like pace right now, but he is only in his second year and his size to play the SG, though D'Antoni doesn't seem bothered by mismatches. I was hoping to pry Randolph along with him as the guy has talent and can block shots. But we still would be missing someone in the middle.

You're absolutely right about the way we talk about our players around here. We maximize and highlight our players' weaknesses and downplay their strengths. Exact opposite for players wearing other jerseys. Just look at the way some around here are willing to give up an All-Star level player in his prime for damn near table scraps.

Bellinelli, IMO, is a throw-in level talent and not a player a package should be centered on. Although I am somewhat intrigued to see how he would perform in Mr. Pringles system.

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1/5/2009  4:27 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Bellinelli can shoot but I am not sure he can do much else. Randoplh is supposed to be really good but I have watched him play only once and he looked more like a project (with potential) rather than an up and coming star. Dude has hops though. Bellinelli and Randolph for Nate and Lee is a huge risk. The only benefit to that deal is that you would not have to pay Bellinelli and Randolph until after the summer of 2010, so if they developed, you could have good players on our team and still have more than enough cap space to sign two max players. Although Randolph is intriguing, I would NOT do that deal.

One thing you have to keep in mind about Randolph is that Nelson is looking to get rid of him. His bags are damn near packed.
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1/5/2009  4:29 PM
Posted by sebstar:
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Bellinelli can shoot but I am not sure he can do much else. Randoplh is supposed to be really good but I have watched him play only once and he looked more like a project (with potential) rather than an up and coming star. Dude has hops though. Bellinelli and Randolph for Nate and Lee is a huge risk. The only benefit to that deal is that you would not have to pay Bellinelli and Randolph until after the summer of 2010, so if they developed, you could have good players on our team and still have more than enough cap space to sign two max players. Although Randolph is intriguing, I would NOT do that deal.

One thing you have to keep in mind about Randolph is that Nelson is looking to get rid of him. His bags are damn near packed.

I would rather trade for Bellinelli and Randolph than Bayless and Camby.
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1/5/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Bellinelli can shoot but I am not sure he can do much else. Randoplh is supposed to be really good but I have watched him play only once and he looked more like a project (with potential) rather than an up and coming star. Dude has hops though. Bellinelli and Randolph for Nate and Lee is a huge risk. The only benefit to that deal is that you would not have to pay Bellinelli and Randolph until after the summer of 2010, so if they developed, you could have good players on our team and still have more than enough cap space to sign two max players. Although Randolph is intriguing, I would NOT do that deal.

One thing you have to keep in mind about Randolph is that Nelson is looking to get rid of him. His bags are damn near packed.

I would rather trade for Bellinelli and Randolph than Bayless and Camby.

Take a bad contract like Lee and Curry or Lee and Jefferies and you have a deal. Otherwise, no way. And Bayless and Camby for Lee isnt good enough either.
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1/5/2009  4:41 PM
Can we still trade the rights to Vujanic?

We got Ewing Jr for Weis!

I figure Milos is worth a whole lot more.

What if we throw in Frank Williams. We always were throwing in Frank Williams.

Can we trade Marbury for KVH?
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1/5/2009  4:45 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by crzymdups:
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Bellinelli can shoot but I am not sure he can do much else. Randoplh is supposed to be really good but I have watched him play only once and he looked more like a project (with potential) rather than an up and coming star. Dude has hops though. Bellinelli and Randolph for Nate and Lee is a huge risk. The only benefit to that deal is that you would not have to pay Bellinelli and Randolph until after the summer of 2010, so if they developed, you could have good players on our team and still have more than enough cap space to sign two max players. Although Randolph is intriguing, I would NOT do that deal.

One thing you have to keep in mind about Randolph is that Nelson is looking to get rid of him. His bags are damn near packed.

I would rather trade for Bellinelli and Randolph than Bayless and Camby.

Take a bad contract like Lee and Curry or Lee and Jefferies and you have a deal. Otherwise, no way. And Bayless and Camby for Lee isnt good enough either.

Lee and Curry for Bellinelli, ARandolph and Adonal Foyle works under the cap, i believe. Foyle is set to expire in 09.
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1/5/2009  4:50 PM
another option is if Portland really wants Lee, make them swap Curry for Darius Miles, too. Miles expires a year earlier than Curry, in the golden summer of 2010.
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1/5/2009  4:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by sebstar:
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TheGame:

Bellinelli can shoot but I am not sure he can do much else. Randoplh is supposed to be really good but I have watched him play only once and he looked more like a project (with potential) rather than an up and coming star. Dude has hops though. Bellinelli and Randolph for Nate and Lee is a huge risk. The only benefit to that deal is that you would not have to pay Bellinelli and Randolph until after the summer of 2010, so if they developed, you could have good players on our team and still have more than enough cap space to sign two max players. Although Randolph is intriguing, I would NOT do that deal.

One thing you have to keep in mind about Randolph is that Nelson is looking to get rid of him. His bags are damn near packed.

I would rather trade for Bellinelli and Randolph than Bayless and Camby.

Take a bad contract like Lee and Curry or Lee and Jefferies and you have a deal. Otherwise, no way. And Bayless and Camby for Lee isnt good enough either.

Lee and Curry for Bellinelli, ARandolph and Adonal Foyle works under the cap, i believe. Foyle is set to expire in 09.

I think Nelson would be ecstatic to make a deal where he rids himself of Randolph and grabs Lee in exchange. That deal works for me too.

One problem might be Jamal Crawford, tho. They got burned in that trade and they might be hesitant to deal with us again.
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1/5/2009  4:59 PM
Uh, I don't know what to make of this, but given the Clipper injuries, I'd be surprised as to why they'd do this.............if there wasn't a reason?

The Los Angeles Clippers today waived forward Paul Davis and guard Fred Jones it was announced by General Manager and Head Coach Mike Dunleavy.


Make of it what you will and let the speculation begin....
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