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djsunyc
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9/4/2008  9:26 AM
Posted by jaydh:
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but i have to give her credit. she delivered the speech how they wanted her too and she didn't at any point look weak.

oooo....and how hard is that? its not like she wrote it.

nobody we've seen so far at these conventions wrote their won stuff, including the democrats. it'll come down to the debates. but i'm not getting why so many are trying to discredit her performance last night. forget about all the issues b/c that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about her coming out party on the national scene. people (not you in particular) take politics WAY too personally. it's ok to give credit to the other side once in a while...
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9/4/2008  9:27 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by djsunyc:
but i have to give her credit. she delivered the speech how they wanted her too and she didn't at any point look weak.

oooo....and how hard is that? its not like she wrote it.

nobody we've seen so far at these conventions wrote their won stuff, including the democrats. it'll come down to the debates. but i'm not getting why so many are trying to discredit her performance last night. forget about all the issues b/c that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about her coming out party on the national scene. people (not you in particular) take politics WAY too personally. it's ok to give credit to the other side once in a while...

I'm pretty sure obama wrote his stuff.
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9/4/2008  9:39 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by bitty41:
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if cnn is lauding palin and this speech, then you know she did a good job...

what she definitely did do tonight, is that she didn't lose the election for mccain...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 12:02 AM]


CNN hires Republican strategist to discuss the Republican Convention so you don't honestly expect them to say "well she's just spewing the usual overheated vintage Republican rhethoric". And the Democratic Donna Brazile is a complete tool its amazing that women still gets jobs after the horrible Gore campaign she ran.

i'm talking about their regular hosts...not republican strategists. even their poll questions weren't skewed towards the negative after that speech.


Wolf Blitzer surely you jest that guy is just a cheerleader NOTHING more. And Jack Cafferty and Lou Dobbs would definietely not categorize themselves as Liberal. And the rest of the hosts are just ****stirrers for both sides asking inane and irrelevant questions usually. So why people think CNN is Liberal is beyond me.

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9/4/2008  9:41 AM
Palin gave a good speech. She spoke well and to the audience - the RNC. But her "real" views are scarry.

Here is from her speeches in Alaska before she was the VP nominee.
Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God." ....

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

Sorry Sarah, but I have a much different view of God. One of Love, Intelligence; Bliss. Not Killing in the name of God. This is like a Christian Fundamentalist Jihad. A Holy War? Crazy. The Right wing fundamentalist Muslims are saying the same thing - go to war with the Christians, it is the will of Allah!

Going to war in the name of God? That is just so-o-o wrong. I don't want her anywhere near the "button" to start a nuclear war.

[Edited by - markji on 09-04-2008 08:44 AM]
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9/4/2008  9:46 AM
I think Obama might be ok w/ fp b/c Biden might have some wisdom. If he doesn't listen though, it's a train wreck. A great example of this is how Obama pretty much said nothing on Georgia 'stoppng aggression on both sides'-which is meaningless and showed a lack of grasp of the situation and then how he wanted the security council to condemn russia, forgetting Russia has a veto.
Posted by MS:

Frankly Obama doesn't believe Iran is a threat, posed going into Pakistan after a troop pull out in Iraq, thinks he can just sit down and reason with these people, the guy doesn't have a ****ing idea what he is talking about. Hilary was far more qualified to be president, but people were tired of the clintons and obama was fresh and new so his experience and qualifications didn't really matter, he has little foreign policy experience which is a fact. And I don't debate that Republicans aren't the only ones that can protect this country. Is it really more dangerous? Why? Because the media says so?

The same media that was jumping on Palin for having a daughter that is having a kid at 17 out of wedlock when Obama was born in the same situation at 18, the lack of middle ground is disgraceful.

And if you think Biden is going to crush her, i'm willing to bet you were on board with the curry/zach frontline...

Let's see what Obama can do when he actually has to debate an issue and isn't working off the teleprompter, he isn't going to be so smooth anymore when someone actually poses questions walk around
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9/4/2008  9:53 AM
Love how you conclude instantly that Palin is a hypocrite. Does that mean that the grandmother of every child born out of wedlock is a hypocrite too? Can't have it both ways. I'm sure she told her kid to have a kid as well. It's ironic that so much is made of this from a party that promotes sexual liberation and lack of accountability.
Posted by sebstar:

You know whats rich, all this bellyaching from conservatives, especially when it comes to media coverage over the Palin pick. These guys are the ultimate bullies. They pushed around a nation earlier in the decade, forcing us off to war, stripping away our civil liberties, trashing our economy and they and dared anyone to utter a contrary word, promising retribution if anyone bit.

Now that the temperature in the room is conducive to returning fire, they whine and lie about the supposed liberal media that's picking on their hate mongering parade. Comical.

They pick a hypocritical, pious, hockey mom who is just months removed from being the mayor of a town the size of a high school, and the minute some question it they cry sexism. Hilarious. It would be even funnier if it weren't so sad and ironic.

In Barack you saw a innuendo, hidden-meaning laden agenda about him being a Muslim, hating America and being compared to failed black politicians and thats when white folks were being nice. In Palin there have been specific criticisms of her record and competency level. Gender is not the problem and you wont see her compared unfavorably to Ferraro.

They have their lily-white convention and their transparent talking points and its just completely nauseating.

Could you imagine what they would have said if it were Barack's teenage daughter whom was pregnant?


[Edited by - sebstar on 09-03-2008 2:33 PM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-03-2008 2:59 PM]
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9/4/2008  10:24 AM
It's just amazing, you need to give people a chance. Everyone has been slamming our draft pick, and been all over Walsh because we have been let down in the past and it's hard to think positively when you are continually let down.

If you are going to give Obama credit you need to give Palin credit, they both stepped up in the moment and gave great speeches. No one writes their own speeches. Everyone is attacking the women's record, but the media makes very little of Obama's, it's more scary that she mentions that the war is gods work or obama not recognizing other nations as threats? You question her judgement, i think it's troubling some of the associations obama has, and if you listen to a racist preacher for 20 years and he is one of your mentors, marries you, I would like to see how fair the coverage would be had mccain done the same thing.

Media coverage is slanted from the left from the networks to the newspapers. It's just alarming to see how negative everyone gets towards this women and has so much respect for Hilary, when her husband was out banging everything with a pulse throughout their marriage and publicly embarrassed her in front of the entire country.

If you don't support Bush, no one can blame you, if you want change that's fair, but make sure change is more than a word, more than smoke and mirrors and fancy rhetoric.
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9/4/2008  10:29 AM
Posted by Markji:

But her "real" views are scarry.

of course they are. She thinks creationism should be taught in schools. She also believes abstinence is the only way(someone wasn't listening).
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9/4/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by MS:

It's just amazing, you need to give people a chance. Everyone has been slamming our draft pick, and been all over Walsh because we have been let down in the past and it's hard to think positively when you are continually let down.

If you are going to give Obama credit you need to give Palin credit, they both stepped up in the moment and gave great speeches. No one writes their own speeches. Everyone is attacking the women's record, but the media makes very little of Obama's, it's more scary that she mentions that the war is gods work or obama not recognizing other nations as threats? You question her judgement, i think it's troubling some of the associations obama has, and if you listen to a racist preacher for 20 years and he is one of your mentors, marries you, I would like to see how fair the coverage would be had mccain done the same thing.

Media coverage is slanted from the left from the networks to the newspapers. It's just alarming to see how negative everyone gets towards this women and has so much respect for Hilary, when her husband was out banging everything with a pulse throughout their marriage and publicly embarrassed her in front of the entire country.

If you don't support Bush, no one can blame you, if you want change that's fair, but make sure change is more than a word, more than smoke and mirrors and fancy rhetoric.

MS,

If you want to have a valuable discussion about the Presidential election drop the Knick's comparsions because they are very ill-suited for political analogies.
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9/4/2008  11:13 AM
Is it wrong for me to consider not voting at all this year? I'm really not liking the options right now.
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9/4/2008  12:00 PM
Posted by K22:

Is it wrong for me to consider not voting at all this year? I'm really not liking the options right now.

If you don't care if we have more wars of choice like the Iraq war, then it's smart to not vote.
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9/4/2008  12:21 PM
i love people who say obama has no experience. just what, exactly, did george w. bush do? own the texas rangers? nixon had a ton of experience, and he was a classic F up. obama has run a brilliant campaign, arguably the best of the last 50 years, registering more voters, raising more money from more people than anybody ever. that would lead you to believe he can build a good team in the white house, which is more important as president than having "experience" in my opinion.
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9/4/2008  1:05 PM
btw, why are people still comparin palin's resume to obama's? palin is not the #1 name on the ticket, it's mccain.

and regardless of where you stand on palin, "senator, you're no jack kennedy" tells me that the vp doesn't factor in *that* heavily when it comes time to vote for president.

it's mccain or obama...you don't vote for biden/palin seperately...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 1:05 PM]
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9/4/2008  1:09 PM
DJ, good point, but mccain will be the oldest president if elected and and has had cancer 4 times. that's why palin is particularly important, mccain surviving nature for the next 4 years is not a given.
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9/4/2008  1:20 PM
Actually, I have a simple question that everyone takes for granted. What is the evidence that experience matters in politics?
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9/4/2008  1:20 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, why are people still comparin palin's resume to obama's? palin is not the #1 name on the ticket, it's mccain.

and regardless of where you stand on palin, "senator, you're no jack kennedy" tells me that the vp doesn't factor in *that* heavily when it comes time to vote for president.

it's mccain or obama...you don't vote for biden/palin seperately...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 1:05 PM]

right, and the first big decisions Obama and McCain made where Biden and Palin.
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9/4/2008  1:25 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, why are people still comparin palin's resume to obama's? palin is not the #1 name on the ticket, it's mccain.

and regardless of where you stand on palin, "senator, you're no jack kennedy" tells me that the vp doesn't factor in *that* heavily when it comes time to vote for president.

it's mccain or obama...you don't vote for biden/palin seperately...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 1:05 PM]

right, and the first big decisions Obama and McCain made where Biden and Palin.

at the end of the day, i don't think it matters that much. it may matter to those in this thread b/c they follow politics closely. but when it comes to the other 80% of the country, i don't think it factors that heavily on the decision.
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9/4/2008  1:29 PM
In just a few short days, Palin has proved to be a hypocrite.
1) Claims now that the media is being sexist. Just a few months ago when Hillary Clinton made the same claims. Palin was quoted as calling her a whiner for using the sexism charge.
2) Claims to be a reformer and oppose to earmarks. Now the record indicates that she hated earmarks so much that got 14 such earmarks for her town.
3) Claims to support and be fiscally sound for budgets. Left her town in serious debt.
4) Claims to be a reformer for Ethics and now is being investigated for troopergate.
5) Her big claim to fame is that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere": Now reports come out that she supported the bill until the public outcry about it.

Bigsm00th makes the best case about why Palin must be looked at. No one really wants to discuss it but it is very apparent. My question dj, is why should Palin be treated different then any other unknown VP candidate?
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Posted by Pharzeone:

In just a few short days, Palin has proved to be a hypocrite.
1) Claims now that the media is being sexist. Just a few months ago when Hillary Clinton made the same claims. Palin was quoted as calling her a whiner for using the sexism charge.
2) Claims to be a reformer and oppose to earmarks. Now the record indicates that she hated earmarks so much that got 14 such earmarks for her town.
3) Claims to support and be fiscally sound for budgets. Left her town in serious debt.
4) Claims to be a reformer for Ethics and now is being investigated for troopergate.
5) Her big claim to fame is that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere": Now reports come out that she supported the bill until the public outcry about it.

Bigsm00th makes the best case about why Palin must be looked at. No one really wants to discuss it but it is very apparent. My question dj, is why should Palin be treated different then any other unknown VP candidate?

i just want to clarify some things b/c it seems like if you make one comment about one member of a particular party, people who support the other party will chime in.

1. i have not said who i will vote for.
2. i have not commented on any of the issues.
3. i have not given my opinion of the content of anybody's speeches.

my positive remarks on palin have only to do with her presentation and ability to do what the republican party asked her to do last night. she delivered exactly how they wanted her to. that's all. palin shouldn't be treated different than anybody else. i think anything said about any of the issues during the the DNC and the RNC mean nothing b/c like i said before, it's a huge pep rally to get people to cheer. the next two months of debates will tell americans who they should vote for.
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9/4/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:

In just a few short days, Palin has proved to be a hypocrite.
1) Claims now that the media is being sexist. Just a few months ago when Hillary Clinton made the same claims. Palin was quoted as calling her a whiner for using the sexism charge.
2) Claims to be a reformer and oppose to earmarks. Now the record indicates that she hated earmarks so much that got 14 such earmarks for her town.
3) Claims to support and be fiscally sound for budgets. Left her town in serious debt.
4) Claims to be a reformer for Ethics and now is being investigated for troopergate.
5) Her big claim to fame is that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere": Now reports come out that she supported the bill until the public outcry about it.

Bigsm00th makes the best case about why Palin must be looked at. No one really wants to discuss it but it is very apparent. My question dj, is why should Palin be treated different then any other unknown VP candidate?

i just want to clarify some things b/c it seems like if you make one comment about one member of a particular party, people who support the other party will chime in.

1. i have not said who i will vote for.
2. i have not commented on any of the issues.
3. i have not given my opinion of the content of anybody's speeches.

my positive remarks on palin have only to do with her presentation and ability to do what the republican party asked her to do last night. she delivered exactly how they wanted her to. that's all. palin shouldn't be treated different than anybody else. i think anything said about any of the issues during the the DNC and the RNC mean nothing b/c like i said before, it's a huge pep rally to get people to cheer. the next two months of debates will tell americans who they should vote for.

dj only the last part of my post was directed at you. My first part was directed at nyshake. I didn't want to just pump up my number by making multiple posts. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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