OT: Taking down Obama with the race card
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4949
Posts: 29378 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/25/2006 Member: #1126 USA |
3/21/2008 2:00 AM
Here's a breach story.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
3/21/2008 3:06 AM
. ? The people who died for Michelle to do what she did, were largely black, and sprinkle in some white and jewish people into that mix, and they largely died by the hands of some white person, working as an agent of the gov't on the local, state, or federal level. So cut the crap about soldiers dying so that a black woman could go to Princeton. My ancestors died fighting for her to achieve that against the will of the gov't and most of the citizens of the US. Again, this is factorial. ---->BRIGGS, you have to stop running this line about soldiers dying for our freedoms, because it is largely untrue And you are talking about others being out of touch? No the reality of the United States of America is that hundreds of thousands of brave men and women of all races throughout it's history dating back over 200 years have given their lives to make America what it is today. Whether the time was 1800 or 2000--these brave people are and will always be the backbone of the United States. If it wasn't for our ancestors sacrifice--we may not be here today. -->After WWII i defy you to name a time or place where soldiers died for us to be free Soldiers die every day active or non-active. Without our military--no one would be free. How can you not be proud of a military that protects YOU and your family?--that have DIED for you and your family? Sorry killa--you live in the past. I think that the millions of votes that Obama has received outside of the African American community--a HUGE majority of Caucasian speaks volumes. RIP Crushalot😞
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Your patriotism appears to be devoid of any historical context. Your platitudes cannot rewrite history.|
bitty41
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3/21/2008 4:35 AM
Posted by TheSage: Bush isn't the worst president of All-time! Are you kidding me. To say that he has the orating skills of any intelligent, articulate, FRESHMAN OF college is total nonesense. Also its interesting that you immediately equate Obama was what you considered (though there are few people who would name him as the worst) one of the worst presidents. Our current president has the speaking skills of a 5th grader giving a book report and how well has he done? |
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TheloniusMonk
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3/21/2008 5:32 AM
If it wasn't for our ancestors sacrifice--we may not be here today. Briggs, you see this statement you made right there? That is the total opposite of when you said people are "over" slavery and thse things should not be brought up (when referring to Rev Wright). You see.....in the black community we feel the SAME way. You hit the quote on the head "If it wasn't for our ancestor's sacrifice--we may not be here today". I am so glad you said this. Your statement totally gave relevance to why the ugly history of race relations is STILL important today. We, as the black community, stand on the shoulders of our ancestors who were spat upon, raped, sodomized, whipped....well you get the picture. Thru it all, WE'RE STILL HERE. When some are celebrating the 4th of July in this country others mourn their "ancestors" as you put it. This is not unpatriotic. It's THE TRUTH about the history of this nation. This is a strange and peculiar concept because OUR ancestors suffered at the hands of THIS country. The United States. So you, my friend, must understand why there may be a difference in view coming out of the black community. In the black community there is always a flip side to the story. To you George Washington may be the guy who chopped down the cherry tree and could not tell a lie. To someone else he owned over 400 slaves. You cannot run from the WHOLE story of this nation because when you do history is not in it's TRUE form. It's not unpatriotic to say so. It's mere truth. Yes many many many people of all races have put their lives on the line and some lost their lives for this country (including the guy you love to hate, Rev Wright). Many black soldiers fought in the Civil War along side their white brothers. Yes, Lincoln "freed" the slaves...but on the flip side to that coin as we celebrate a great president YOU cannot forget that he also said "if I could keep every slave a slave and yet save the union I would". It's not unpatriotic to say these things about Lincoln. It's mere truth. Yes there was a reconstruction period where my ancestors were supposedly given a chance to succeed only to be followed by voting rights taken away and Jim Crow implimented. So you see, for those who choose to ignore the flip side to the story of this nation....a story that is continuing to be told til this very day....then you will ALWAYS be out of touch with people who are AWARE of such things in their currently lives and situations. That was a very good statement Briggs. Thanks for that. You were totally on the money! 'You can catch me in Hollis at the hero shop!'
-Tony Yayo
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TheSage
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3/21/2008 7:46 AM
Posted by bitty41:Posted by TheSage: The statement regarding Carter was taken from remarks attributed to House Speaker Tip O'Neill. This is not intended to elevate Bush II although I don't recall State Department officials being held hostage by a sovereign nation during his tenure. |
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playa2
Posts: 34922 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 5/15/2003 Member: #407 |
3/21/2008 8:14 AM
Man.... this thread is like payperview heavyweight fight.
Killa so far is the undisputed champion after knocking out briggs in the 3rd RD.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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misterearl
Posts: 38786 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/16/2004 Member: #799 USA |
3/21/2008 8:48 AM
"To you George Washington may be the guy who chopped down the cherry tree and could not tell a lie. To someone else he owned over 400 slaves. You cannot run from the WHOLE story of this nation because when you do history is not in it's TRUE form. It's not unpatriotic to say so. It's mere truth. Yes many many many people of all races have put their lives on the line and some lost their lives for this country (including the guy you love to hate, Rev Wright). Many black soldiers fought in the Civil War along side their white brothers. Yes, Lincoln "freed" the slaves...but on the flip side to that coin as we celebrate a great president YOU cannot forget that he also said "if I could keep every slave a slave and yet save the union I would". It's not unpatriotic to say these things about Lincoln. It's mere truth. Yes there was a reconstruction period where my ancestors were supposedly given a chance to succeed only to be followed by voting rights taken away and Jim Crow implimented. So you see, for those who choose to ignore the flip side to the story of this nation....a story that is continuing to be told til this very day....then you will ALWAYS be out of touch with people who are AWARE of such things in their currently lives and situations. That was a very good statement Briggs. Thanks for that. You were totally on the money!"
Thelonius Monk is Angelo Dundee Rumble young man rumble! once a knick always a knick
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EnySpree
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3/21/2008 9:18 AM
Not sure anybody can really post after Killah.
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playa2
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3/21/2008 10:10 AM
Start at the 3:33 mark former presidential candidate and Minister Mike Huckabee understands Rev Wrights comments and does not condemn him... and he's a Republican.
[Edited by - playa2 on 21-03-2008 10:12]
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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bitty41
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3/21/2008 11:27 AM
Posted by TheSage:Posted by bitty41:Posted by TheSage: |
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bitty41
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3/21/2008 11:54 AM
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JesseDark
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3/21/2008 12:46 PM
Does Richardsons endorsment of Obama open the door for an Obama/Richardson ticket and can it win? As a Hispanic can Richardson deliver the Hispanic vote? Any thoughts?
Bring back dee-fense
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kam77
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3/21/2008 1:51 PM
No the reality of the United States of America is that hundreds of thousands of brave men and women of all races throughout it's history dating back over 200 years have given their lives to make America what it is today. USA is not as great of a nation as some would like it to be, but we've been brainwashed by our schools (I pledge allegiance...) and our media to pat ourselves on the back for the freedoms we have. Just because we have a better form of government than some backwards-ass nations doesn't mean we've become a great nation ourselves. There is a litany of things I could bring up to point out the hypocrisy in calling the USA a great nation. I'll start with the big ones, the treatment of the Native AMerican, the treatment of the African slaves, the treatment of the Japanese in WW2, the treatment of Muslims in secret military prison facilities, the torture of innocents before they could be given trial or their families told what had happened... Stop the Flag Waving. We're a better country than 99% of the other countries out there, but we're not a great nation. And we will NEVER be one if we keep congratulating ourselves for what we are today. lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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martin
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3/21/2008 1:54 PM
Posted by kam77:No the reality of the United States of America is that hundreds of thousands of brave men and women of all races throughout it's history dating back over 200 years have given their lives to make America what it is today. what qualifies a great nation and who are they? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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misterearl
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3/21/2008 2:16 PM
The Answer Man Would Never Say Love It Or Leave It
Q. martin - what qualifies a great nation and who are they? A. Two weeks ago I was riding with two colleagues in Toronto. One remarked, "you know if we got in an accident, no matter what happened, all one of us would be taken to a hospital and be very well taken care of, no questions asked...". Now, I'm not offering Canada as an example of a great country on the hype scale... it's was cold as dirt and we know their army cannot kick much azz but... I'm jus' sayin' once a knick always a knick
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OT: Taking down Obama with the race card