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Telling it like it is: The Book of Isiah: Unraveling The Biggest Myth in Sports
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islesfan
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10/7/2007  11:02 AM
Again, if something is so indefensible, you just completely dismiss it since it's not even possible to spin it.

Great tactic. Incredibly transparent but great tactic.
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10/7/2007  12:03 PM
I'd like to know for those who bash isiah for a lack of results. How long do you think it would take any GM to turn a franchise around? Do you expect that there'd be some losing and a bottoming out if you made the team younger? So far it's been 3.5 completed seasons. So what do you think? He should've solved all of the problems in year 1.5, 2, 3? How long does it normally take for a team to be rebuilt? I would guess that it takes at least a couple of years to both clear out the dreck and draft a player or 2, then you have to allow time for that young team to develop. So no matter what path Isiah took, it was going to take more than 3 years for good results to come about, unless he went the route of taking on old vets and banked on a window of about 3 years of possible contention. I don't think anyone wanted that. This is what basically happened in his 1st yr & a half. Dolan wanted the playoffs and butts in seats. We still had H2O and KT under contract and he wanted to get value out of them. Once that dream was over, Isiah quickly turned to a youth movement and started grafting in more youngsters.

As for him making his own bed with predictions of what he thought the team would do. That's just what any GM or Coach would do, no matter how the season turns out. Everyone expects some level of success and takes an optimistic view. This could be the year we finally see those results. LB and the late season injuries set us back a bit, but I think we're back on schedule now.
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10/7/2007  12:06 PM
Papabear Says

This is from the NY POST
Thomas now insists the videotape played in court was misleading. "It was a seven-hour deposition. They played parts of a discussion that was edited and spliced together."

Lawyers for Browne Sanders, with the judge's approval, played excerpts from Thomas' taped deposition in the case, prompting furious backpedaling from Thomas when he took the stand.

"I am highly offended by any male referring to any female as a bitch, and I said that in my deposition," Thomas said on the stand.

Thomas now claims that in the full deposition - which has never been furnished to reporters - he explained his feelings that it is more offensive for a white man to call a black woman "bitch" because of the racial overtones.
Papabear Says I'm not trying to start anything but I think that the full video should be seen and if Ms Browns Lawyers did in fact splice the tapes in thier favor the appeals court will throw this cass out and rule for a new trial.

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Solace
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10/7/2007  5:48 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Again, if something is so indefensible, you just completely dismiss it since it's not even possible to spin it.

Great tactic. Incredibly transparent but great tactic.

Between that and the lies posted on his blog which have been mentioned throughout this thread, his entire series of articles should be labeled "fiction". He does toss a few bits of truth in here and there, but it's just not in enough quantity to even consider it a point of view -- it's fiction.
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islesfan
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10/7/2007  8:07 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by islesfan:

Again, if something is so indefensible, you just completely dismiss it since it's not even possible to spin it.

Great tactic. Incredibly transparent but great tactic.

Between that and the lies posted on his blog which have been mentioned throughout this thread, his entire series of articles should be labeled "fiction". He does toss a few bits of truth in here and there, but it's just not in enough quantity to even consider it a point of view -- it's fiction.

I was just glad that one of my quotes made his desperate search for attention.

This guy goes to random Knicks message boards, throws his garbage out there and then uses people's quotes regarding them as some kind of trophy for his attention seeking.

Geez, at least I keep mine limited to one board and I don't post responses on some site.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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10/7/2007  8:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by islesfan:

Again, if something is so indefensible, you just completely dismiss it since it's not even possible to spin it.

Great tactic. Incredibly transparent but great tactic.

Between that and the lies posted on his blog which have been mentioned throughout this thread, his entire series of articles should be labeled "fiction". He does toss a few bits of truth in here and there, but it's just not in enough quantity to even consider it a point of view -- it's fiction.

I was just glad that one of my quotes made his desperate search for attention.

This guy goes to random Knicks message boards, throws his garbage out there and then uses people's quotes regarding them as some kind of trophy for his attention seeking.

Geez, at least I keep mine limited to one board and I don't post responses on some site.

Seems like he took a few of my quotes as well. Apparently he didn't come to any of these sites to discuss the points, instead he just showed up to get some quotes.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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10/7/2007  8:16 PM
Posted by MODI:

Also, thought that I'd let you guys know that I covered your comments (aka Isiah Riders) and others from the blogosphere in:

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=136

...tough crowd...


Props for putting my quote second on the page.


My advice to you is try to post more accurate and factual information. I'll give you credit for being informative you just misinformed.
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islesfan
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10/7/2007  8:24 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by MODI:

Also, thought that I'd let you guys know that I covered your comments (aka Isiah Riders) and others from the blogosphere in:

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=136

...tough crowd...


Props for putting my quote second on the page.


My advice to you is try to post more accurate and factual information. I'll give you credit for being informative you just misinformed.

I don't know what he's seeking more, hits or attention.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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10/7/2007  8:25 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by MODI:

Also, thought that I'd let you guys know that I covered your comments (aka Isiah Riders) and others from the blogosphere in:

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=136

...tough crowd...


Props for putting my quote second on the page.


My advice to you is try to post more accurate and factual information. I'll give you credit for being informative you just misinformed.

I don't know what he's seeking more, hits or attention.

Who knows... but I've never seen a GM who averages about 30 wins a year get his ass kissed so much by people.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
TrueBlue
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10/7/2007  8:31 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by MODI:

Also, thought that I'd let you guys know that I covered your comments (aka Isiah Riders) and others from the blogosphere in:

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=136

...tough crowd...


Props for putting my quote second on the page.


My advice to you is try to post more accurate and factual information. I'll give you credit for being informative you just misinformed.

I don't know what he's seeking more, hits or attention.


Maybe the latter because he didn't link the correct official way.


It's all good because when this team fails at success and he continues to write that garbage he'll gradually expose himself.

He doesn't have the power to change the inevitable.
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10/7/2007  8:39 PM
Here's Mitch Lawrence telling it like it really is about Isiah


Isiah Thomas has no place to turn other than Knicks, MSG

Celebrating their 50th year in Detroit this season, the Pistons are planning to bring back former greats on one night to mark their golden anniversary in the Motor City.

There's just one problem. The franchise's all-time No. 1 star, Isiah Thomas, lost a scandalous sexual harassment lawsuit last week and is the talk of the league for all the wrong reasons.

As much as it will put Thomas' old team in an uncomfortable position, the Pistons almost have to extend an invitation to him when they celebrate their past. But his old team, for that one night, and the Knicks are about the only teams that are going to want anything to do with Thomas in the future.

Several team executives predict that Thomas' resounding defeat in court in the Anucha Browne Sanders case likely is a career-killer for Thomas when his career with the Garden is over.

"Once (James) Dolan is done with him, he'll never get another job in a thousand years," said an Eastern Conference executive. "The sex harassment case was the last nail in the coffin for him. Nobody will touch him. Look, the only reason he has a job now in the first place is because of Dolan."

Despite the sorry state of the Knicks, the high degree of embarrassment caused by the trial and $11.6 million judgment against the Garden and CEO Jim Dolan, Thomas still has his job. Down in Charleston, S.C., Knicks players were ordered by team executives after the verdict to "stick to basketball questions and support Isiah in what you say," when they talk to the media.

The entire sordid episode has deeply troubled David Stern, but not enough for the commissioner to punish the Knicks or to put in a call to Dolan's father, Charles, to try to persuade the Cablevision magnate to oust his son. In Turkey to promote the league's overseas training camps, Stern reiterated that NBA policy does not cover civil litigation, precluding any penalties for Thomas or Dolan, and dismissed reports that he would approach the elder Dolan to get the Knicks straightened out.

"Everybody is conjecturing about Stern talking (to Charles Dolan ), but you know what Charles will tell David? ‘Don't worry, it's all overblown,'" said an ownership source. "Even if Charles is (ticked) off, he isn't going to do anything. He's already proven that. And Jim is not going do anything to Isiah because he wants to prove to everyone that he's right and that Isiah will turn it all around."

Chances of a turnaround under Thomas are less than minimal, but Dolan should have known that when he hired Isiah to replace Scott Layden as the Knicks' top basketball official. Thomas ruined the Continental Basketball Association and, in his only previous experience running an NBA team, lasted only two seasons with the expansion Toronto Raptors.

His tenure at the Garden, running four years this December, has been marked by a host of poor personnel decisions costing Dolan millions and resulting in no playoff wins. Still, he might have appealed to another team had it not been for the testimony that came out of the three-week trial.

"This does not come off his resume," said a second Eastern Conference executive. "Owners in this league can't touch him. First off, think of your corporate sponsors and how many companies that do business with teams that now have women in high places. They won't want to do business with a team that has Isiah as their president. And what network will want to hire Isiah? He's killed his TV career, too."

Several coaches, including Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Fratello, have used their positions as analysts to maintain a high profile and keep them in circulation for their next coaching job. Thomas worked as a studio analyst in the '90s before he left to take the CBA down, but that position won't be open to him as a result of his legal troubles.

"It looks as if Isiah has reached a dead end," one owner told his top basketball man this past week after the jury announced its verdict. "He better win in New York - and win a lot."

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
TrueBlue
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10/7/2007  8:39 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by MODI:

Also, thought that I'd let you guys know that I covered your comments (aka Isiah Riders) and others from the blogosphere in:

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=136

...tough crowd...


Props for putting my quote second on the page.


My advice to you is try to post more accurate and factual information. I'll give you credit for being informative you just misinformed.

I don't know what he's seeking more, hits or attention.

Who knows... but I've never seen a GM who averages about 30 wins a year get his ass kissed so much by people.

What pisses me off is when these fans goof on GM's like Mchale, Ainge(no longer), Bill King, and Billy Knight, Jordan(Wiz days), Sterling, Bird etc etc. Bad is bad and we have probably the worst GM of them all.

It makes no sense to compare our trash to other teams trash. I'm only concerned with our trash in such cases. Now I will compare our trash with others teams valuables and hope we can some day turn our trash into valuables.
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nixluva
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10/7/2007  9:22 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

What pisses me off is when these fans goof on GM's like Mchale, Ainge(no longer), Bill King, and Billy Knight, Jordan(Wiz days), Sterling, Bird etc etc. Bad is bad and we have probably the worst GM of them all.

It makes no sense to compare our trash to other teams trash. I'm only concerned with our trash in such cases. Now I will compare our trash with others teams valuables and hope we can some day turn our trash into valuables.
We don't have trash! Isiah may not be the best GM, but he's not trash. The team hasn't yet played as well as we've wanted, but to call this team trash is taking it too far. The win/loss record would give you the impression that this team is trash, but there are reasons why we haven't seen this team reach it's potential.

I believe a more accurate description should be "developing". 2 years ago we had a certain level of expectation. To build a base and start the process of developing this team.

Despite the setback from the LB disaster, the expectation last year was a bit higher. We hoped to establish chemistry and an identity and to hopefully get into the playoffs and now this year higher still. If we don't reach that level this year then I have no problem with Isiah being fired.

The team Isiah has put together should be a top East team if everyone comes ready to play. So far that seems to be the case. Almost everyone came to camp in better condition and with the right attitude.

The entire team and org. has said that this team should be a playoff team this year and that this is the goal along with trying to win a title. That's the expectation for this year, so well see how they do. I don't see any reason why this team shouldn't be right in the mix this year around playoff time. Firmly settled into one of the playoff spots.
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10/7/2007  9:49 PM
you tell em nixluva. im glad we got some reel fans on here
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10/8/2007  12:39 AM
"Maybe the latter because he didn't link the correct official way."

What is the correct official way? If any of you guys have any suggestions, then I will ammend the post/ I can also delete anyone's or ALL of the quotes if anyone chooses. I tried to be fair to all the sites by capturing their overall tone. I didn't just cherry-pick the good quotes, as it would make me look better to have left Ultimate Knicks out altogether. I thought it was actually funny to include the hateration here. I also thought that a benefit was to get the different Knick sites to possibly ineract... But folks seem a bit jaded here (i.e. people thought that I was COSSUCKS?) Bottom line: tell me whatever you want me to adjust and I will do it.



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10/8/2007  12:41 AM
Show me one "lie" and and it will be corrected.
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10/8/2007  12:49 AM
Posted by MODI:

"Maybe the latter because he didn't link the correct official way."

What is the correct official way? If any of you guys have any suggestions, then I will ammend the post/ I can also delete anyone's or ALL of the quotes if anyone chooses. I tried to be fair to all the sites by capturing their overall tone. I didn't just cherry-pick the good quotes, as it would make me look better to have left Ultimate Knicks out altogether. I thought it was actually funny to include the hateration here. I also thought that a benefit was to get the different Knick sites to possibly ineract... But folks seem a bit jaded here (i.e. people thought that I was COSSUCKS?) Bottom line: tell me whatever you want me to adjust and I will do it.


Highlight your URL's and hit the URL Tag from your post menu or put url's in brackets at the beginning and end of website.

(e.g. below)

[url]www.fables-fiction-tall_tales.com[url]




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-08-2007 12:48 AM]
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10/8/2007  1:37 AM
TB - My format bar is different that yours. I didn't do exactly what you said, but the links go to the main page now - is that what you ultimately wanted?

If still not good enough, let me know. if i am still "doing it wrong", then every link that i have ever done has been wrong, so it is important to me that I definitely gert this right.

Does this mean I have to type [url] before and after every single link quote?

Only blogging a few months, so take it slow with me the way I try to take it slow with you about why Isiah has done a great job!
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10/8/2007  1:55 AM
Posted by MODI:

TB - My format bar is different that yours. I didn't do exactly what you said, but the links go to the main page now - is that what you ultimately wanted?

If still not good enough, let me know. if i am still "doing it wrong", then every link that i have ever done has been wrong, so it is important to me that I definitely gert this right.

Does this mean I have to type [url before and after every single link quote?

Only blogging a few months, so take it slow with me the way I try to take it slow with you about why Isiah has done a great job!



Wow you are an interesting character!


Actually there needs to be a forward slash before the u in the last [/url] bracket as done in the signature at the end of every one of my post.


Your skit, gimmicking is somewhat amusing just an FYI you have some stiff competition on this site from a few others though.
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Telling it like it is: The Book of Isiah: Unraveling The Biggest Myth in Sports

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