If the season ended today, and it does, the Mets would not make the playoffs.

Don't be so quick to throw dirt on another team and assume that you're better than you are.

This is only directed to certain Mets fans and the Mets themselves (Carlos Delgado: We're so good, we get bored sometimes. LOL).

so much for pouring champagne on each other. you know what, the mets deserve what they got and the phillies deserve the pennant. the mets walked through the season dancing and laughing it up with arrogance and over-confidence and look at them now. cleaning out their lockers. heads could and should roll for this. like i said before, i can't stand willie. i am not saying he is an awful manager but he is the worst manager for this team. people compare him to torre however torre has a different team with strong leaders and vets who know how to win. the mets are nto that lucky. we need an energetic manager who will throw over the buffet table. with the personality of this team it is needed. i was suprised they hired him when he was the same type of manager as art howe. you need someone to light a fire under their butts. so this winter, i am excited because there will be a LOT of changes. this is interesting because they can't blow the team completely up because we still have young talent. so it probably will start with the manager or gm. i think minaya won't go anywhere though because the talent is there. if we do get rid of willie ( which i hope we do), who will take his place? maybe we can lure francona or guillien? i am going to start another thread dealing wiht this since our season is done.

Cannot ****'n believe it! The Mets lost a playoff spot? OMG!! And on top of it, they set a record. It frustrates me to see a ****ed up team like the chicago scrubs squeez in ahead of four teams with better records and the Mets to take a back seat on the last day is shameful. It's sucks to be a New York sports fan today. The Yankees are the last hoped for this year. I can't beleive it. Glavine did it to the Mets as an Atlanta player and he does it to the Mets as a Met. Incredible!

Posted by 4949:

Cannot ****'n believe it! The Mets lost a playoff spot? OMG!! And on top of it, they set a record. It frustrates me to see a ****ed up team like the chicago scrubs squeez in ahead of four teams with better records and the Mets to take a back seat on the last day is shameful. It's sucks to be a New York sports fan today. The Yankees are the last hoped for this year. I can't beleive it. Glavine did it to the Mets as an Atlanta player and he does it to the Mets as a Met. Incredible!

Are you both a Mets and a Yankees fan? They're uncommon!

i was going to start another thread but i might as well talk about this on this thread since it is basically mets fans anyway. where do we go from here? the offseason has officially started for us so wht do we do? i think everyone is the blame so how can we remedy this?

gm: minya- he will stay and clean up this mess. true that some of his moves blew up in his face ( sanchez, shoeneweis) but he has made some decent moves too to improve our club (castillo, alou). however, he needs to find first and foremost another starting pitcher. he may need two. i think glavine is done and we don't have a legit 5th starter. the pitching core that is supposed to come up is not ready so we need a decent pitcher. who is available? can we take a risk an get dontrelle willis or take a shot in the dark by trying for johan santana? we need a REAL ace though and minaya must provide for us ASAP. cather is the next priority and the best two available are ironically the two best in the league: jorge posada and pudge rodriguez. i would like to have pudge personally. we need an outfielder that can play everyday and pretty good ( green and maybe alou won't be back). should we try for ramirez again or see if the farm team, er, pirates can let go of bay? also, delgado is done so first base is another priority. however finding god first basemen are hard to come by. we might need to bring up someone in the farm system because we don't have anyone that would be available ( curse that texeira trade). last the bullpen needed tweaking. they aren't that bad since throughout the season they did well leading the mets as the top 5 in era at the end of august. well, we know what happened after that.

manager- randolph- needs to go. his personality doesn't inspire or mesh with this team. the team seemed to be uninspired and alarmingly undisciplined throughout the season and it blew up in his face. we need a manager that will get in a players face and eliminate this chuckling and bufoonery in the dugout and lockerroom. bring this group down to earth. someone said that a manager like that can't last a full season in new york. how many seasons valantine lasted? how did the mets respond for most of valentine's tenure? the only problem is that after about three years, the players tune out and don't respond. but maybe that is all we need to win the world series. as i said girardi, francona and gullien are my candidates.

players- they are probably the most at fault with this. their arrogance and lack of respect really fired teams up and it seemed like the world was against them. they did not respond either. i was tired of them celebrating and dancing because they did not win anything. that begins and ends with reyes. reyes is the pulse of the team and if he is on fire, the team is on fire. it is ironic that he struggled in the month of september. i thought he had a bad year despite stealing more bases. i did not see any improvement whatsoever in his game and it is a shame because he is still young. he irks people the wrong way with his irreverence towards the game and his opponents. no wonder oliva wanted to clock him. with that said, he is still one of the best if not the best shortstop in the league. he consistently does well while we don't know what we get from one year to the next with jimmy rollins. rollins is the best ss this year but i would rather have reyes for the long haul. ramirez is a close second and reyes best competition. wright will compete for his position as the best in the nl too with braun closing the gap but wright has been our most consistent player. if others had stepped up this month and hwe won the division like we supposed to, he would be mvp. he is getting better while delgado and beltran got worse. they had injuries to nurse but delgado was just awful throughout the year except for maybe two weeks. beltran, minaya's pride and joy, had a worse season than last year. he seemed to play at times like he did two years ago. maybe the last game of last year is still on his mind. green and alou shouldn't be back. lo duca, though he has more heart than the other players, need to go because he has declined BIG TIME. pitching -wise, keep martinez ( we can't get rid of him with his large contract anyway), perez, maine, pelfry, smith, and a healthy sanchez. everyone else can find the door as far as i am concern, especially heilman.

well, that is what we should do to make this team better hopefully. p.s. don't go to the mets espn message board. they are BRUTAL.

apparently there's a new york magazine article coming out tomorrow (monday) about wagner where he is somewhat critical of randolph and peterson.

Posted by 93BUICK:

Wow. Unbelievable.
Go ahead and take whatever pleasure you want- The most obnoxious fans on both sides of any rivalry are the loudest- while the majority just loves the sport and roots for their team.
I'm going to the Saturday game. We're still in it as bad at it is. I was upset to see Shea so empty on Thursday night. No other words, really- we'll see if the Mets have what would be a miracle left in them.
PS I decided a couple days ago to stop drinking alcohol until the Mets win a game. Hopefully I won't have to wait till Spring Training.

in my own personal experience, i've noticed that Met fans (maybe not necessarily you or fans like jazz, etc.) usually take more pleasure in the failure of the Yankees than the other way around... it sorta comes with growing up in NY & hearing the smack talk back & forth every season, & obviously the disappointment of the '00 subway series... the sports talk shows were flooded with calls from Met fans downgrading the Yankees all throughout the 1st half of this season when they were floundering in last place... but like Yogi said, "It ain't over til it's over."

I'm kind of glad the Mets didn't make the playoffs, I know anything can happen and all that BS with baseball. But they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs this year. They played down to the competition all year long and it caught up to them. They had blowouts in their hands only to allow teams to climb back into games. It was a tough year for the Mets but they have no one to blame but themselves. Everyone in the their division at one point owned the Mets. Philly won 8 straight, Braves in the early part of the year smacked them, Nationals towards the end won I think 5 out of 6 games, and Marlins who played the weakest of them all but got the job done in the end. Learn from this and move on. There really is no one to blame because the Mets failed at all aspect of the game. one night it was the caoching decisions another it was the bats another it was the starting pitching and then most often it was the bullpen. People blaming the fans for the Mets down fall is most ridiculous the mets didn't give them reason to cheer even after they pulled the stunt of falling out of first people still cameback to cheer for them. fans can never be blamed for a teams downfall especially one like the Mets.

Posted by tkf:

tough for the mets, but I think you have to look at minaya,too many old and declining guys at key positions, delgado, green, alou, wagner is a joke and glavine is just not the guy you want to hand the ball to to save your season, maybe tom 6 years ago, but not now...

and can we kill all the talk on how GREAT reyes is? good player, a lot of tools, but can't seem to do it for 162 games..

I understand you're a Yankee fan, so you prolly don't much about the MEts other than what you read in the papers, but the problem with the Mets weren't the "old" players like you mentioned, it was the Bullpen. the Mets bullpen COLLASPED the last two months. With the exception of Delgados injury and this last game from Glavine the players you mentioned played great.

ok...I just read the last statement. now I'm CONVINCED you don't watch baseball. Reyes is great! One of the best players in the league. Not the best in his position...but an outstanding player.

So what do Mets fans think about their team's future? Are you guys happy with the future of your pitching?

here's what i would do to fix the Mets if i were Minaya:

1 - trade Milledge & Heilmann for Dontrelle Willis
2 - sign the best reliever on the market (except Mariano obviously)
3 - move Pelfrey to the bullpen
4 - get rid of Rickey Henderson (i love the guy but he's not a great influence on younger players IMO)
5 - tell Jose Reyes that if he doesn't start running out every ball he hits, he's gonna be put on the market for someone who will
6 - name David Wright team captain

[Edited by - TMS on 10-02-2007 12:12 PM]