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simrud
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7/24/2007  1:11 PM
DJ an Earl are right, this is exactly why I hardly post on basketball threads these days.

There is nothing new to say. Everybody knows how everybody else feels about everything. Until something actually happens, we are just jabbing at each other for no reason whatsoever.
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7/24/2007  1:12 PM
Solace - of course anything can happen

If, and its an "if" that applies to all rookies, Wilson Chandler stays focused and works on the weak components of his game...

you could just as easily be looking at a starting skill forward

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7/24/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by simrud:

DJ an Earl are right, this is exactly why I hardly post on basketball threads these days.

There is nothing new to say. Everybody knows how everybody else feels about everything. Until something actually happens, we are just jabbing at each other for no reason whatsoever.

No reason? Andrew and Martin have been keeping score this whole time, like that show on ESPN 'Around the Horn'.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/24/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Picture a high performance 6 cyl sports car. It should be doing 0-60 in 5 seconds flat. It has a bad spark plug. So its stumbling and misfiring to a time of 8 seconds in the 60. Does that mean the whole car needs to be junked or that bad plug just needs to be replaced?

Really bad analogy. Why are you assuming that all the other pieces are of high performance quality and that they all fit together in a way to make that car perform at a high level?

This team is more a collection of expensive odd parts that didn't fit in a bunch of other cars but are being put into this junker, in a haphazard manner, with the hope that they can be an average car.

All the new young parts are just pieces like windshield wipers, A/C and automatic windows. They don't do much for the overall performance of the car but they have a role in certain situations.
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7/24/2007  1:17 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - of course anything can happen

If, and its an "if" that applies to all rookies, Wilson Chandler stays focused and works on the weak components of his game...

you could just as easily be looking at a starting skill forward

What happened to Balkman? Do you think he's better than Balkman?
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Picture a high performance 6 cyl sports car. It should be doing 0-60 in 5 seconds flat. It has a bad spark plug. So its stumbling and misfiring to a time of 8 seconds in the 60. Does that mean the whole car needs to be junked or that bad plug just needs to be replaced?

Really bad analogy. Why are you assuming that all the other pieces are of high performance quality and that they all fit together in a way to make that car perform at a high level?

This team is more a collection of expensive odd parts that didn't fit in a bunch of other cars but are being put into this junker, in a haphazard manner, with the hope that they can be an average car.

All the new young parts are just pieces like windshield wipers, A/C and automatic windows. They don't do much for the overall performance of the car but they have a role in certain situations.

And instead of driving the car, Isiah can't get it running. But if it rains, look at our shiny wipers go.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
islesfan
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7/24/2007  1:19 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - bump it, why not give Isiah Thomas ten years?

what's the rush if the franchise is finally on the disciplined path of building by procuring the best young talent for the first time in forty years?

I call BS.

The so-called "best young talent in 40 years of Knicks basketball" are nothing more than role players.
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7/24/2007  1:20 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Picture a high performance 6 cyl sports car. It should be doing 0-60 in 5 seconds flat. It has a bad spark plug. So its stumbling and misfiring to a time of 8 seconds in the 60. Does that mean the whole car needs to be junked or that bad plug just needs to be replaced?

Really bad analogy. Why are you assuming that all the other pieces are of high performance quality and that they all fit together in a way to make that car perform at a high level?

This team is more a collection of expensive odd parts that didn't fit in a bunch of other cars but are being put into this junker, in a haphazard manner, with the hope that they can be an average car.

All the new young parts are just pieces like windshield wipers, A/C and automatic windows. They don't do much for the overall performance of the car but they have a role in certain situations.

And instead of driving the car, Isiah can't get it running. But if it rains, look at our shiny wipers go.

did you just call isiah the earl scheib of gm's?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-24-2007 1:57 PM]
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7/24/2007  1:22 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Say all you want about the rookies and what they will do for us. Our current core is Marbury, Curry, Zach, Craw, Q, Lee and Balkamn etc. They are for the most part young, and here for a long while. This is Isiah's core whether you beleive it or not. They have the talent to outdo 33 wins and get into the playoffs today. But as usual, the "true optimists" among us are already trying to find reasons to lower expectations. And "pessimists" who have high expectations of the team are called "haters".

Sorry, come again? The "haters" have high expectations for this team? Sorry, I must have missed that somewhere between our front-court being called the "lard-ass twins" (or whatever)and the suggestion that we would be better off "executing" Marbury and Curry.

I don't recall anyone making predictions for next season before Solace did (though you have to wonder how someone can moan about a lack of improvement then say we "should" see a ten game up-tick next year) and I am going to hold off doing that until I am sure what our roster will look like (we might still make major changes, after all).

But I said many times here, before the Randolph trade, that our core gives us at least a .500 record next year and that yet another losing season should be cause enough for making changes in management.
So again, if Isiah keeps adding young talent and the team continues to win 33 games at what point does the "bitching" become honest opinion.

Well, if over half of our "current core" (as listed by yourself) is out with injury for part/all of the last two months as it was last year, I don't think it unreasonable to temper the "bithchin" about a 33 win season. But when others do, I have trouble seeing it as "honest opinion".
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7/24/2007  1:24 PM
I Like 'em both

Balkman brings defensive pressure on the perimeter

Chandler can block shots from out of nowhere and has better hops

Balkman's offense is limited to put backs and frenzied drives to the rack

Wilson Chandler has more polish on his jump shot and has three point range

Balkman has great hair, captain potential and is 6'7

Chandler owns that rare commodity known as court presence, is a dead ringer for Andre Miller and is 6'8 230

I'm jus' sayin'


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7/24/2007  1:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - bump it, why not give Isiah Thomas ten years?

what's the rush if the franchise is finally on the disciplined path of building by procuring the best young talent for the first time in forty years?

I call BS.

The so-called "best young talent in 40 years of Knicks basketball" are nothing more than role players.

You're only talking about the draft picks and even then you don't really know what some of these guys are gonna end up being. Chandler may yet develop into more than just a role player. We got him early in his development. In terms of Zach and Curry, both still young guys we have more than just role players.
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7/24/2007  1:27 PM
Islesfan - you are welcome to rebut my claim with facts

please, cite any example of a Knicks roster since 1967 to counter my statement

please

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-24-2007 1:31 PM]
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7/24/2007  1:33 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Islesfan - you are welcome to rebut my claim with facts and not your usual juvenile insults

please, cite any example of a Knicks roster since 1967 to counter my statement

please

Awww, so now you're talking to me again? I guess you only do so when you think you have a point. No wonder you haven't responded to me lately.

Give me Ewing, Jackson, Wilkins and whoever. A top 50 all time player, a rookie of the year and anything else you want to add is infinitely better than anything we have right now.
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islesfan
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7/24/2007  1:34 PM
misterearl - why are you editing out your usual juvenile insults?

[Edited by - islesfan on 07-24-2007 1:34 PM]
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7/24/2007  1:45 PM
the 1988/89 knicks went 52-30 with the following under the age of 27:

ewing - 26
newman - 25
jackson - 23
gerald - 25
oakley - 25
strickland - 22
kenny walker - 25
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7/24/2007  1:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

the 1988/89 knicks went 52-30 with the following under the age of 27:

ewing - 26
newman - 25
jackson - 23
gerald - 25
oakley - 25
strickland - 22
kenny walker - 25

So what you're saying is you can win with GREAT young players centered around a franchise player?
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7/24/2007  1:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

the 1988/89 knicks went 52-30 with the following under the age of 27:

ewing - 26
newman - 25
jackson - 23
gerald - 25
oakley - 25
strickland - 22
kenny walker - 25

Thank you DJ, you truly are a gentleman, scholar and Knicks historian.

Let the regularly scheduled Lovefest continue.
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7/24/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Bippity10:

Say all you want about the rookies and what they will do for us. Our current core is Marbury, Curry, Zach, Craw, Q, Lee and Balkamn etc. They are for the most part young, and here for a long while. This is Isiah's core whether you beleive it or not. They have the talent to outdo 33 wins and get into the playoffs today. But as usual, the "true optimists" among us are already trying to find reasons to lower expectations. And "pessimists" who have high expectations of the team are called "haters".

Sorry, come again? The "haters" have high expectations for this team? Sorry, I must have missed that somewhere between our front-court being called the "lard-ass twins" (or whatever)and the suggestion that we would be better off "executing" Marbury and Curry.

I don't recall anyone making predictions for next season before Solace did (though you have to wonder how someone can moan about a lack of improvement then say we "should" see a ten game up-tick next year) and I am going to hold off doing that until I am sure what our roster will look like (we might still make major changes, after all).

But I said many times here, before the Randolph trade, that our core gives us at least a .500 record next year and that yet another losing season should be cause enough for making changes in management.
So again, if Isiah keeps adding young talent and the team continues to win 33 games at what point does the "bitching" become honest opinion.

Well, if over half of our "current core" (as listed by yourself) is out with injury for part/all of the last two months as it was last year, I don't think it unreasonable to temper the "bithchin" about a 33 win season. But when others do, I have trouble seeing it as "honest opinion".

Guy, noone in any of my posts bitched about the 33 win season. My post was about not giving Isiah credit until the results are actually shown on the court. Why is this such a hard concept. Isiah's record is worse than Layden's. So how can people say he has been successful when his teams haven't won. All I say, is I will not give the man credit until I see tangible results ON THE FLOOR. How could anyone turn this into something unfair or unreasonable.
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7/24/2007  1:54 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

the 1988/89 knicks went 52-30 with the following under the age of 27:

ewing - 26
newman - 25
jackson - 23
gerald - 25
oakley - 25
strickland - 22
kenny walker - 25

Thank you DJ, you truly are a gentleman, scholar and Knicks historian.

Let the regularly scheduled Lovefest continue.

the prior season, the 87/88 knicks went 38-44 with the following under the age of 27:

ewing - 25
gerald - 24
jackson - 22
kenny walker - 23
newman - 24

that was pitino's first year as coach and first year with his system. the following year, more young pieces were added and they took off for 52 wins.

i guess the HOPE is that something similar may happen to this team.
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7/24/2007  1:55 PM
Isiah has built a young exciting team. Layden built an old and washed up team. So far neither of them has given us a better than .500 record. How is that? Is that fair?
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