Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by nixluva:


Do you go back to the last championship? I just missed it. I was alive, but not yet at the fever pitch Knick fan that I am now. The NBA was different then and I didn't have the means to really follow the Knicks like now. I was 8 years old then. So I really couldn't appreciate what was going on. So like most of us, i've been suffering along with the team all these years.

I remember how upset I was when Bernard King blew out his knee. I'm still angry about the missed chances we had during the Ewing era. The 1993 loss to the Bulls still REALLY bothers me to this day. Charles Smith ...

I'm remember how drained I was at the end of the finals against Houston. Man we were so close. I thought for sure that we would finally get that ring. Even after game 6, I still felt like we could do it. MAN!!!!

Then there's that 1997 loss to the Heat after the fight. I still hate Stern for suspending Ewing. I believe that team was gonna go on to beat the Bulls that year. That team was ready. You could feel it.

I don't go back to the last championship.

I'm pretty much all 90's.

In fact I used to hate the Knicks; I was a big Barkley fan. But of course, my hate of the Knicks could never outdo my hate for the Bulls, and especially Mike.

I went to the '96 game at the Garden when Ewing stole the ball from Jordan before the end of the half and dunked it in Rodman's face.....and then crashed on his knees. (yes I laughed).





Anyway, basically the whole reason for this thread is because atleast dudes on this site aren't completely blind. Every great team I can ever think of had 2 out these 3 things:

A great coach
A great GM
A great player

* that's the sad thing about KG, great player, horrible GM, never had a really great coach.



And sometimes all 3. And by "great", just to clarify for anyone, I mean HOF.


We get the big goosehead, we have nothing, zilch, nada. Atleast with Larry Brown we would've had 1.



I just hope Zach gets in a fight with Stephon, and Dolan fires Isiah so we can FINALLY rebuild this garbage heap.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07-28-2007 2:48 PM]

The problem is that there's no guarantee that the next guy will be any more competent of successful. There are only a few really talented GM's out there and not all of them get fortunate enough to draft, trade for or inherit a HOF player. At this point in time this team has progressed far enough that it's possible that we can be a top team in the East sometime soon and perhaps make a trade for a HOF player if that's what we need.

It's also possible that we could do what Detroit did and win a title without having a HOF player. It's so hard to actually win a title that it's a bit of a tough thing to hold against a team. We've gone 30+ years since the last one. Teams like Dallas and Phx have great teams and they haven't won a title. We all would like to see this team develope into a title worthy team, but I don't think tearing this down would give us a better shot at it.

Suppose Isiah adds Artest and this team goes to the finals or maybe we catch a break and this team really takes off this year. There are so many possible scenarios and the last resort to me would be starting over. It's not that bad a situation to call for that.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by bobs3304:

^ Dude we will NEVER EVER win with Isiah.


It's much easier to win with a great GM than you think. Just look what Thorn did in Jersey and Chicago.


Our best player is probly D-Lee (PER wise), and even he isn't much more valuable than a Shane Battier.


Isiah is a hack and Dolan is a huge tool.


And Ron Artest would be a disaster. You don't bring in a psycho like that without veterans and a good coach and management.

You need to be a bit more accurate when dissing Isiah. He's responsible for Lee being here and Zach as well and they are good NBA players:

Zach is the #16 player in the league in terms of PER at 22.81
Lee is at #31 with a PER of 20.31

Zach is the #20 player in the league in terms of the NBA's efficiency rating at 22.4
Lee is at #45 with a rating of 19.21

Just so you know, Shane Battier is # 261 with a PER of 12.05 and he's at # 121 with a NBA Eff. rating of 12.5

Ron Artest is #49 with a PER of 18.59 and he's at #44 with a NBA Eff. rating of 19.44

What rank was our "franchise" player in his "breakout" season?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-28-2007 6:56 PM]

Posted by JohnWallace44:

70th in the NBA rankings
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?pager.offset=50

Posted by bobs3304:

^ Yup, Eddy is a to 10 Center but on the bottom half at that.


That said, his contract is a bargain, and considering his first years in the league, he's a late bloomer IMO.


I have no idea why Isiah thought it was a good idea to kill his mojo by bringing in his shorter, slightly better twin in Zbo.

Posted by misterearl:

Not a single person has defined what "blow it up" means in General Manager strategy or tactics.

Not one

Posted by boykins2:

Ask danny ainge what "blowing up a roster is"

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by nixluva:

No one ever held Curry out to be a player that fills up the stat sheet, but you must understand the Dynamics of a team. Apparently you guys aren't really THINKING BB right now, cuz it's simple. You have a guy that the other team MUST exert themselves to stop or he'll score at a 70% clip and foul out your frontline. This creates openings for other players on your team to get open looks, distracted defenders that they can drive by, distracted defenders that they can beat for rebouds on the offensive boards etc. This player also still scores at an above 50% rate and he get's to the line 8 times. He helps to get your team into the penalty early every game and even tho he's not grabbing rebounds the team itself has been a top rebounding team consistently. Quite simply, Curry is a force that must be dealt with and that helps the team. It will help even more as we improve the guys around him and their ability to take advantage of the openings he creates.

Go ahead and show just how much you haven't grasped the concept of intangible impact that a player can have on a game and not be reflected in the boxscore. I really grow tired of you guys acting like the rest of us don't know the game of basektball. You don't really know what kind of background some of us have or what sort of intellect we have, but just know that just like you have a certain knowledge of the game, the rest of us that disagree with you also have an equal knowledge of the way the game works.

dude... what team are you watching. You treat these guys like they are playstation characters. Know the game of basketball? How about effort, drive, heart, determination.... are those worth anything? These guys quit night in and night out. Most have been doing so and losing games since they got to the NBA. We are WIN NOW team. Our starters are ALL HIGHLY PAID VETERAN players and were aquired at a high price. I am sorry. Seeing Isiah's time here as anything but a total failure on all levels is just blind.

See I actually think that Nixluva is correct. I am not really thinking about basketball right now.