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Bonn1997
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6/28/2007  11:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:

PF was a disaster for us last year, so this makes sense from an Xs and Os standpoint. We also improve our rebounding. Zach is very good there. what we dont improve is our defense which is horrible, but the rebounding makes a difference there.

I do think Zach wants to win. Yes.. he's a retard and an jerkoff, but if you have watched him losing pisses him off and he plays hard.

This is a typical Isiah/Knicks move, but in that context its one of the better ones. Frye paid the price for not being able to adjust to playing PF and Francis was a total waste of space
PF was a disaster for us because of how many min Malik and Frye got while Lee played only about half the game. I do agree on everything you said about Zach, though. The Knicks probably did starphuck themselves to 41 wins.

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6/28/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by majorleads:

Isiah Thomas has now managed to acquire every NBA player I've hated for the past 5 years.

Un****ingbelieveable.

besides his name what did Dan Dickau do to you to make you hate him?



[Edited by - BigC on 06-28-2007 11:47 PM]
ROFL about Dick-au

PLUS - now we have two former dunk champs on the Knicks - fred jones and n8 the imbicile!
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6/28/2007  11:54 PM
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6/28/2007  11:55 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by majorleads:

Isiah Thomas has now managed to acquire every NBA player I've hated for the past 5 years.

Un****ingbelieveable.

besides his name what did Dan Dickau do to you to make you hate him?



[Edited by - BigC on 06-28-2007 11:47 PM]
ROFL about Dick-au

PLUS - now we have two former dunk champs on the Knicks - fred jones and n8 the imbicile!

He must have had a hard time growing up.



[Edited by - BigC on 06-28-2007 11:55 PM]
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6/28/2007  11:59 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by majorleads:

Isiah Thomas has now managed to acquire every NBA player I've hated for the past 5 years.

Un****ingbelieveable.

besides his name what did Dan Dickau do to you to make you hate him?



[Edited by - BigC on 06-28-2007 11:47 PM]
ROFL about Dick-au

PLUS - now we have two former dunk champs on the Knicks - fred jones and n8 the imbicile!

He must have had a hard time growing up.



[Edited by - BigC on 06-28-2007 11:55 PM]

lol
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6/29/2007  12:10 AM
Overspend?

Yeah, Isiah what were you thinking...no team can win with two low post scorers, and give up two players that the team had little/no use for with the way the roster is set up.

So you think Curry is going to get double and triple teamed next season? When he is having trouble scoring or is in foul trouble and goes to the bench, who would you rather rely on to help pull the scoring weight...

Frye or Randolph

Isn't one of you and the anti-Isiah/Curry obesssed folk that he can only score close to the hoop and has no outside game? Well, Randolph has a more polished post game and can hit a jumper from a mid-range post game. How exactly is that a contradiction to Curry's game? You all act like they play the same position and are the same player.
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6/29/2007  12:13 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

You guys aren't analyzing this in context.


WE DIDN'T NEED RANDOLPH!

Right, we don't need a 24 ppg 10 rebound PF. It's better to have Frye and Francis. Keep on hyping your own rhetoric. I'll admit that there is potential for problems developing, but I don't see that as a given, and can also see how it works. Frye and Francis had no place on this team and we got an All-Star caliber talent for guys we don't need. Sure sounds like a bad trade to me.
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6/29/2007  12:17 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

PF was a disaster for us last year, so this makes sense from an Xs and Os standpoint. We also improve our rebounding. Zach is very good there. what we dont improve is our defense which is horrible, but the rebounding makes a difference there.

I do think Zach wants to win. Yes.. he's a retard and an jerkoff, but if you have watched him losing pisses him off and he plays hard.

This is a typical Isiah/Knicks move, but in that context its one of the better ones. Frye paid the price for not being able to adjust to playing PF and Francis was a total waste of space
PF was a disaster for us because of how many min Malik and Frye got while Lee played only about half the game. I do agree on everything you said about Zach, though. The Knicks probably did starphuck themselves to 41 wins.

Stop exaggerating....Lee played about 30 minutes per....more than Frye who was a starter.

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6/29/2007  12:23 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by bobs3304:
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so we're adding $61 million dollars in salary due to Zach Randolph over the next 4 seasons, & SAS is ranting about how Isiah was able to unload Steve Francis' contract, which is roughly about half contract wise in dollars & length of years???

then we throw in Channing Frye to get back 2 expiring contracts of Fred Jones & Dan Dickau, 2 young players who haven't done much of anything in the NBA since they were drafted themselves.

sorry if i don't jump up & down over this one... i would have much preferred to simply buy out Steve Francis & trade Frye in a deal to get Ron Artest... at least his deal expires the same season as Marbs, & he'd actually add a dimension to this team that we NEED.

oh brother... Zach Randolph is now a NY Knick... the 1 guy i would have thought Isiah would not be crazy enough to trade for, & he goes & does it.



Stole the words from my brain.

Dude cap room doesnt win games. We need a power forward with a jump shot a couple of steps inside the three point line, a rebounder, and a secondary post threat to Curry. That is exactly what we got. You have to be insane to not like this trade. If you are still cheering for cap room then go get another freaking team to follow. Only completely delusional people are still hoping that we are going to start clearing for cap. GIVE IT UP. This is a good move, we now have THE front court of the east.

Curry
Randolf
Lee
Crawford
Marbury

Lets go.

how about you go F yourself instead? i think that's a better idea.

if you're not interested in cap room, that's your problem... Zach Randolph is NOT bringing us a championship... i'd much rather have waited out the contracts & have at least a marginal shot at guys like Lebron or Kobe in 2 years time, rather than be hunkered down with this current roster for the next 4... if you don't like that point of view, find another freakin' post to comment on.

Wrong again idiot. If your interested in cap room, THATS YOUR PROBLEM. BECAUSE YOUR A FAN OF A TEAM THAT WILL NEVER AIM TO GO UNDER THE CAP. Hahahahahahah.

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6/29/2007  12:24 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by bobs3304:

You guys aren't analyzing this in context.


WE DIDN'T NEED RANDOLPH!
if you want to analyze it in context we got destroyed at PF last year. Lee's rebounding was the only thing we had going at that position all year. Zach is a monster upgrade as a starter both scoring and on the boards. He's got a good face up game so its not an impossible pairing w/ Curry. Not ideal, but in context the Knicks got much better at a position that was a weakness last year.

Hard to debate that no?

Thank you, fish. Randolph is a MAJOR upgrade over Frye, who regressed. People say Randolph plays no D...and Frye did?
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6/29/2007  12:30 AM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by bobs3304:

You guys aren't analyzing this in context.


WE DIDN'T NEED RANDOLPH!
if you want to analyze it in context we got destroyed at PF last year. Lee's rebounding was the only thing we had going at that position all year. Zach is a monster upgrade as a starter both scoring and on the boards. He's got a good face up game so its not an impossible pairing w/ Curry. Not ideal, but in context the Knicks got much better at a position that was a weakness last year.

Hard to debate that no?

Thank you, fish. Randolph is a MAJOR upgrade over Frye, who regressed. People say Randolph plays no D...and Frye did?

there isn't a person here who thinks the Knicks got the short end of the stick talent wise... this is not the reason why people don't like this trade... not quite sure why it's such a hard concept for some of you to get that unless a trade of this kind brings in a legitimate franchise calibre player, that taking on a contract of that magnitude is just not worth it.
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6/29/2007  12:33 AM
TMS - contract, schmontrack

do you prefer Malik Rose at power forward?
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6/29/2007  12:40 AM
there isn't a person here who thinks the Knicks got the short end of the stick talent wise... this is not the reason why people don't like this trade... not quite sure why it's such a hard concept for some of you to get that unless a trade of this kind brings in a legitimate franchise calibre player, that taking on a contract of that magnitude is just not worth it.
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6/29/2007  12:41 AM
The contract doesn't concern me (we'll NEVER be under the cap) as much as hoping the Zekester can pull Z-Bo's head out of his ass long enough to help this team as much as he should.
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6/29/2007  1:01 AM
I like this trade a lot. It's like trading Trevor Ariza for Zach Randolph. Unbelievable!

We have two of the top-5 low post scorers in the NBA on our team now. We're still lacking defensively, but come on, Randolph is by far the best player in this trade.

Where does he fit in w/ the Knicks? He's a legit double-double-type of guy; he's up there rebounding ability with David Lee, imho.

Where does that leave David Lee? Well... Lee is still more or less our 3rd big man. He'll still manage around 30mpg. He has a different skill set from Curry/Randolph, so he'll pair up with either of them well. Morris and JJ will fight for scraps, I guess.

The other guys we acquired will likely be waived - or perhaps will be trade bait if we can find enough roster space to hold on to them. (certainly either of them is worthy of a 2nd round pick?) We'd still need to keep 'em on our roster for a minimum amount of time.

Channing Frye goes to a weird place - isn't he practically the same player as Aldridge? Not only that... wouldn't it be weird if Oden starts off slow? Very tall, skilled team.

Francis might get a chance to start - but Jarrett Jack is still around. Weird. (another Yellowjacket)
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6/29/2007  1:38 AM
as many have said here, the ideal PF next to curry seemed to be one that played defense to make up for his deficiencies. names like kg, jermaine were thrown around. draft sean williams. etc. chicago's biggest success rate with eddy came when they paired him with antonio davis.

so what do we do? we pair him up with basically the same player. very good offensively, very poor passer, very turnover-prone, and plays no defense.

last time we had a post player (ewing), bringing in guys like xman, charles smith, and lj - 3 post up players, failed. lj only survived b/c he was washed up, totally sacrificed his game, and became a 3 point shooter.

court spacing is an issue. if frye was out 20 feet taking jumpers to keep it open for curry, is that what we're going to do with zach? b/c that will severely limit his effectiveness. does zach continue to get his 20 shots? is curry still the first option? all this talk about finally establishing an identity with eddy...well we just threw in a major wildcard that could seriously disrupt that.

what does curry do when zach gets the ball? continue to stand and watch?

what about zach's attitude? is that a concern?

i guess the plan is to bowl over opposing teams inside b/c it's very tough to guard curry and zach. it's a nightmare matchup for most teams. but we're gonna give up buckets on the other end too. and alot of them.

the verdict? probably just bought ourselves a team that will break 42 wins next season. maybe get as high as 45. in a weakened east, the knicks have a shot to make some noise and if things really break right, maybe even get to 47 (a 14 win improvement).

but where is this team really going? do any of you see a real plan? are you guys comfortable with what's going on? how long do you give this newest "plan"? the million dollar question: at what point do wins matter?

what i take from it? isiah just got the OK to add $35+ mil in payroll. imho, zeke has at least 2 more years regardless of the team's performance. dolan's wallet is officially open again. isiah tried to go after kg, after kobe, and jermaine...and got rebuffed at each turn so he "settled" with zach.

some tried to defend the franbury era. and this one seems eerily similar.

i'm going to officially coin isiah's tenure as "the hoover era". looking at each transaction in a vacuum, you can make a case isiah made some good deals. but when you take all those individual transactions out of the vacuum and put them all together, it's this totally random mix. and so far the results speak much louder than anything else.

i don't know people, this one just doesn't make any sense.

again...at what point do wins matter?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-29-2007 01:41 AM]
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6/29/2007  1:51 AM
hmmm it appears that Demetris Nichols was also included in the deal. WFAN had a reporter who covers the blazers on and this was announced
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6/29/2007  1:51 AM
oh boy, I was at the bar watching the draft. after this trade, I got drunk to ease the pain...
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6/29/2007  1:59 AM
^ i got drunk last night.

so i was ready to go 24 hours in advance.


you know....

just in case.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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6/29/2007  1:59 AM
Posted by fishmike:

PF was a disaster for us last year, so this makes sense from an Xs and Os standpoint. We also improve our rebounding. Zach is very good there. what we dont improve is our defense which is horrible, but the rebounding makes a difference there.

I do think Zach wants to win. Yes.. he's a retard and an jerkoff, but if you have watched him losing pisses him off and he plays hard.

This is a typical Isiah/Knicks move, but in that context its one of the better ones. Frye paid the price for not being able to adjust to playing PF and Francis was a total waste of space

great post fish. I was too drunk to post something like this tonight.. well done, and I agree..
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