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2/17/2007 2:48 AM

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I am a catholic and taking the bible at it's word is naive. You wouldn't be able to get through the Genesis book without finding promotions of incest(Adam and Eve were the only humans on earth at first. They had kids. You do the math)

Joe I agree 100%, absolutely. I have some real problems with the bible...

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that. I mean wouldn't have cared to write how you felt. Not really that you don't care at all.

What is upseting me about this thread though is how christianity is being brought down so bad in this thread while support for homosexuality seems to keep rising and rising. Im not telling people to bash homosexuals, but don't rip christianity because it doesn't support homosexuals either.

Im still a young buck though, a lot of you guys are older so im sure you guys know way more than I do about my own religion and homosexuality. But hey the more you bring subjects to the table and are open and honesty the more you learn.

you don't have to apologize for having your own views on this dude... everyone is entitled to their opinion, & again i wasn't trying to put Christianity in a bad light... it's just that i find a lot of hypocrisy in religion in general & a lot of so-called "religious people" out there seem to stand for things that don't seem to jive with the teachings of Christ... i've encountered this all throughout my days of attending church... there's a lot of BS politics & judgement that goes on amongst the people who i saw there every week, & that sorta turned me away from the idea of Christianity being the "perfect religion"... i really don't think there is such a thing now... for me, as long as the religion each person chooses to follow works for them, then that's the right one for them & no one has a right to say otherwise... i take a similar approach when it comes to this whole issue of homosexuality too... in the end, we're all gonna be judged regardless.

The thing is I never said that christianity is the perfect religion or that everyone should follow my view or they are wrong. (I know you aren't saying that I am saying that but thats how it seems like people are viewing me). I never put anyone down for not believing in my view. I first stated *my* belief on why *I* don't support the homosexual lifestyle. Martin asked me a question. And I followed up to his question. I didn't follow up to his quesiton to say that everyone else is wrong and I am correct. Maybe the tone of my post came of that way I don't know. Just that I do have a base to why I believe what I believe.

I really really don't see how im comming off as a bigot or anything like that, other than me not supporting there lifestyle what negative have I stated about homosexuals I even said we shouldn't judge them or that they shouldn't be treated unfairly. Was it because I brought up sodomy? Im hoping someone can explain to me how/why im comming off as a bigot.
I think you have been pretty fair, I think the religous = bigot was reserved for some of the others that have commented

NYK4EVER

Don't get it twisted man, I don't think anyone is pointing you out. This is why it's hard to have these kinds of discussions on the internet, most of the time what people say gets blown out of proportion and taken out of context. It's hard. I think everyone respects your views and what you have to say. I know I do, whether I agree or disagree, you seem like a good dude and your just stating your view, thats cool man!

Thanks fellas.

Before the topic dies I just want to add. The thing about christians, and a lot of them trying to push & force christianity on others is more due to the fact that they/we believe in saving souls. We believe that you can lock up your spot in heaven by repenting, asking to be saved, and trying to live a rightious life. Yes there are hypocrites and christians that act like no other view is right other than theres. But don't tune out the message because of that. Say a man smokes cigerettes, and he tells his son who is of age to buy cigerettes not to smoke because it can cause cancer. Yes that man is being a hypocrite because he is smoking himself. But that doesn't make the message wrong either. Christians may come off a certain way to others. But the intention is almost allways pure. They are trying to get you into heaven to live eternal happiness.

Like many say its not about religion its more about spirituality. Grow your spirit to become closer to God.

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2/17/2007 10:30 AM

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I hate when a thread grows so big aand its too much for me to read but here's my 2 cents:

Homosexuality is a fact of human life, it happens in every country in every culture in the world. A small percentage of human beings are going to be born gay. Deal with it. Get comfortable with it, gay people are not going anywhere. Hating gay people is about is logical as hating left-handed people. you will never eleiminate them, at some point you will have to deal with that reality, and learn to accept them as members of thwe human family.

Religion is not and really never has been a progressive force in terms of anything: race, gender, class, and now add sexuality.

Religion was written by humans 1000s of years ago who understood very little about the sciences. They wrote this book based on their best understanding of the world, society and right and wrong. At that time their understanding was very limited, so I'd say alll of those religious texts are mainly outdated, although some of their stories, alegories and parables have some enduring value.

How someone chooses to have sex is the least of my business or anyone elses really. Amaechi likes men? Why should that matter to me again? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

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Posted by Killa4luv:

I hate when a thread grows so big aand its too much for me to read but here's my 2 cents:

Homosexuality is a fact of human life, it happens in every country in every culture in the world. A small percentage of human beings are going to be born gay. Deal with it. Get comfortable with it, gay people are not going anywhere. Hating gay people is about is logical as hating left-handed people. you will never eleiminate them, at some point you will have to deal with that reality, and learn to accept them as members of thwe human family.

Religion is not and really never has been a progressive force in terms of anything: race, gender, class, and now add sexuality.

Religion was written by humans 1000s of years ago who understood very little about the sciences. They wrote this book based on their best understanding of the world, society and right and wrong. At that time their understanding was very limited, so I'd say alll of those religious texts are mainly outdated, although some of their stories, alegories and parables have some enduring value.

How someone chooses to have sex is the least of my business or anyone elses really. Amaechi likes men? Why should that matter to me again? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

cosign. Good post Killa

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I hate when a thread grows so big aand its too much for me to read but here's my 2 cents:

Homosexuality is a fact of human life, it happens in every country in every culture in the world. A small percentage of human beings are going to be born gay. Deal with it. Get comfortable with it, gay people are not going anywhere. Hating gay people is about is logical as hating left-handed people. you will never eleiminate them, at some point you will have to deal with that reality, and learn to accept them as members of thwe human family.

Religion is not and really never has been a progressive force in terms of anything: race, gender, class, and now add sexuality.

Religion was written by humans 1000s of years ago who understood very little about the sciences. They wrote this book based on their best understanding of the world, society and right and wrong. At that time their understanding was very limited, so I'd say alll of those religious texts are mainly outdated, although some of their stories, alegories and parables have some enduring value.

How someone chooses to have sex is the least of my business or anyone elses really. Amaechi likes men? Why should that matter to me again? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

Thats a great post Killa.

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Posted by Killa4luv:

I hate when a thread grows so big aand its too much for me to read but here's my 2 cents:

Homosexuality is a fact of human life, it happens in every country in every culture in the world. A small percentage of human beings are going to be born gay. Deal with it. Get comfortable with it, gay people are not going anywhere. Hating gay people is about is logical as hating left-handed people. you will never eleiminate them, at some point you will have to deal with that reality, and learn to accept them as members of thwe human family.

Religion is not and really never has been a progressive force in terms of anything: race, gender, class, and now add sexuality.

Religion was written by humans 1000s of years ago who understood very little about the sciences. They wrote this book based on their best understanding of the world, society and right and wrong. At that time their understanding was very limited, so I'd say alll of those religious texts are mainly outdated, although some of their stories, alegories and parables have some enduring value.

How someone chooses to have sex is the least of my business or anyone elses really. Amaechi likes men? Why should that matter to me again? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

Excellent post. Well done.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.

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I've always been one of Stern's biggest critics. I mean I really don't like a lot of the things he's done to the NBA. however personally I think the one thing Stern has done positive for the league was cleaning up the NBA's public image over the years. and I think in this case, he was putting his foot down and saying 'i worked too hard over the past 10 years to clean up this league's image to have another stupid player ruin all my work with his foolish comments', so he banned tim hardaway from all-star weekend.

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Posted by Killa4luv:

I hate when a thread grows so big aand its too much for me to read but here's my 2 cents:

Homosexuality is a fact of human life, it happens in every country in every culture in the world. A small percentage of human beings are going to be born gay. Deal with it. Get comfortable with it, gay people are not going anywhere. Hating gay people is about is logical as hating left-handed people. you will never eleiminate them, at some point you will have to deal with that reality, and learn to accept them as members of thwe human family.

Religion is not and really never has been a progressive force in terms of anything: race, gender, class, and now add sexuality.

Religion was written by humans 1000s of years ago who understood very little about the sciences. They wrote this book based on their best understanding of the world, society and right and wrong. At that time their understanding was very limited, so I'd say alll of those religious texts are mainly outdated, although some of their stories, alegories and parables have some enduring value.

How someone chooses to have sex is the least of my business or anyone elses really. Amaechi likes men? Why should that matter to me again? Oh yeah, it doesn't.
Killa just broke it down right there like Marbury breaks down defenses *
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Before the topic dies I just want to add. The thing about christians, and a lot of them trying to push & force christianity on others is more due to the fact that they/we believe in saving souls. We believe that you can lock up your spot in heaven by repenting, asking to be saved, and trying to live a rightious life. Yes there are hypocrites and christians that act like no other view is right other than theres. But don't tune out the message because of that. Say a man smokes cigerettes, and he tells his son who is of age to buy cigerettes not to smoke because it can cause cancer. Yes that man is being a hypocrite because he is smoking himself. But that doesn't make the message wrong either. Christians may come off a certain way to others. But the intention is almost allways pure. They are trying to get you into heaven to live eternal happiness.

Like many say its not about religion its more about spirituality. Grow your spirit to become closer to God.

Funny how the bible and God become so IRRELEVANT in conversation when one's behavior and your free will is involved, but when one is in trouble or ready to kick the bucket....who ya gonna call.

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killa doesn't care about religious people.

hey for some of us this stuff got settled a long time ago. now i know there's nothing more tedious than a boomer talking about the 60's but it was all laid out then. make love not war. if 2 people want to share their love and affections anyway that works for them, than all the power to them. you want to see some obscenity, go look at the horrors of what people are doing to one another in iraq. or darfur. or uganda. or right down the street. but objecting to 2 people deciding to do their own thing? please.

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Posted by playa2:

Before the topic dies I just want to add. The thing about christians, and a lot of them trying to push & force christianity on others is more due to the fact that they/we believe in saving souls. We believe that you can lock up your spot in heaven by repenting, asking to be saved, and trying to live a rightious life. Yes there are hypocrites and christians that act like no other view is right other than theres. But don't tune out the message because of that. Say a man smokes cigerettes, and he tells his son who is of age to buy cigerettes not to smoke because it can cause cancer. Yes that man is being a hypocrite because he is smoking himself. But that doesn't make the message wrong either. Christians may come off a certain way to others. But the intention is almost allways pure. They are trying to get you into heaven to live eternal happiness.

Like many say its not about religion its more about spirituality. Grow your spirit to become closer to God.

Funny how the bible and God become so IRRELEVANT in conversation when one's behavior and your free will is involved, but when one is in trouble or ready to kick the bucket....who ya gonna call.

Thanks NEWYORK NEWYORK for trying to help your NEIGHBORS !!!

Great thread!

That's partly what I said from my first post in this thread. Whenever a moral issue is raised people want to decide for themselves without any accountability. They don't want someone or something telling them what to do. They don't even try to establish a standard anymore. Things that are greater than/or replaced God in the world in which we live

Government
Science
Commercialism

You bring up a good point Playa.

Church and State are to stay separate but when it's time to go to War God please bless us.

Heck there was no creator involved getting us where we are today.(Interesting how humans can't change some of the major physical laws such as Gravity and the Speed of Light etc etc). Go to school learn about Science, Man Made theories Evolution highly esteem it etc etc, but when Science only goes so far and your life is on the line and it appears there's no other solution to save you let's start praying to God.

Money Money Money Monnnney.....Money....... like the O'jays said some people will kill their own brother for it. On the paper, the country in which we live in it's printed "In God We Trust".

So where in today's society is God established?

So from this debate I gather the Bible is just some book written/published like all other pieces of literature. It has about as much credibility as ESPN The Magazine. Religion is a joke(but this is due to man not being able to properly establish it) not because it doesn't do humans any good. Everyone while you are here just do the best you can(be Gay, be whatever, etc etc). God can only judge you no other human being can(true) and when you expire each one's personal feeling has an end result of a heavenly hope.

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Heck there was no creator involved getting us where we are today.(Interesting how humans can't change some of the major physical laws such as Gravity and the Speed of Light etc etc).

I'm not sure what your point is. Being able to alter a phenomenon has little bearing on the agency of that phenomenon's origin.

On a side note, the speed of light is altered every day as it travels through media of varying indices of refraction. Its the speed of light in a vacuum that remains constant.

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Heck there was no creator involved getting us where we are today.(Interesting how humans can't change some of the major physical laws such as Gravity and the Speed of Light etc etc).

Thats a very strange statement. Gravity is explained scientifically. Gravity can be simulated in space and the lack of gravity can be simulated. Not sure what you are trying to get at here.

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Posted by TrueBlue:

Heck there was no creator involved getting us where we are today.(Interesting how humans can't change some of the major physical laws such as Gravity and the Speed of Light etc etc).

Thats a very strange statement. Gravity is explained scientifically. Gravity can be simulated in space and the lack of gravity can be simulated. Not sure what you are trying to get at here.

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Killa just broke it down right there like Marbury breaks down defenses *
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Maybe we all live in a perfect universe and everything is happening exactly as it should. Having said that, this tread brings to mind something that Bill Maher said a while back, "If a guys gonna slip something into another guy, it better be a knife".

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Since the name of this Topic is: OMG: Tim Hardaway: "I hate gay people"

and not: Hate on gay people

maybe someone should open a "Hate on gay people" thread in the Off-Topic Forum," so there's a place users can go to post their gay jokes or just hang-out with like-minded people and condemn the sin, but not the sinner.

ISN'T THAT A GREAT IDEA?! (sarcasm)

For those of you who allowed a dialogue to take place here, hats off to you. It's impressive when you consider what a raw nerve "homosexuality" strikes in some people (no pun intended. Geesh, give me a break already, people) and what a raw nerve "bigotry" strikes in others.

A person's sexual orientation is of no consequence in the work place. But co-workers hang out and are encouraged to share their lives with one another, and athletes are encouraged to share their stories with the media, but gay people can't. I know an award winning teacher who happens to be a lesbian, but if people knew she was a lesbian many of them would completely dismiss all the wonderful things she has done for them and their families because they know, many or them from reading their bible, that she's sick. That's a double standard and it is wrong.

"But won't exposing children to this corrupt their minds?" you ask.

I took my kids to a Civil Union ceremony in Vermont, and told them this woman they knew was marrying another woman. My daughter said, "That's weird." I said, "It's not what most people do, but that's what they're doing." And that was the end of it. Is she completely confused now? Maybe, but who isn't?

On the one hand, I understand why Stern punished Hardaway. Hardaway is listened to because he was in the NBA, and the NBA is a business that can't be discriminating against people. But I wonder what Stern's reaction would be if a reporter asked a player if there was a special lady in that player's life, and the player said, "actually I've been in a long term relationship with a man." By condeming the messenger, Hardaway, so harshly and swiftly, is Stern also trying to say, "If anyone of my athletes ever talks about homosexuality again I'll kill you!"

I'm just speculating here. But doesn't all these "gay bashing" moments, that are quickly denounced, then apologized for by the spewer, all fit in to a kind of unofficial "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy that we all live as if we are under? And doesn't this keep the double standard alive?

Just a thought.

P.S. - I will always remember Tim Hardaway's high arcing fade away as a thing of beauty.

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P.S. - I will always remember Tim Hardaway's high arcing fade away as a thing of beauty.

And Hardaway had the best crossover I've ever seen. Yes, better than Iverson's because Hardaway's was at least semi-legal.

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Posted by playa2:

Before the topic dies I just want to add. The thing about christians, and a lot of them trying to push & force christianity on others is more due to the fact that they/we believe in saving souls. We believe that you can lock up your spot in heaven by repenting, asking to be saved, and trying to live a rightious life. Yes there are hypocrites and christians that act like no other view is right other than theres. But don't tune out the message because of that. Say a man smokes cigerettes, and he tells his son who is of age to buy cigerettes not to smoke because it can cause cancer. Yes that man is being a hypocrite because he is smoking himself. But that doesn't make the message wrong either. Christians may come off a certain way to others. But the intention is almost allways pure. They are trying to get you into heaven to live eternal happiness.

Like many say its not about religion its more about spirituality. Grow your spirit to become closer to God.

Funny how the bible and God become so IRRELEVANT in conversation when one's behavior and your free will is involved, but when one is in trouble or ready to kick the bucket....who ya gonna call.

Thanks NEWYORK NEWYORK for trying to help your NEIGHBORS !!!

Great thread!

That's partly what I said from my first post in this thread. Whenever a moral issue is raised people want to decide for themselves without any accountability. They don't want someone or something telling them what to do. They don't even try to establish a standard anymore. Things that are greater than/or replaced God in the world in which we live

Government
Science
Commercialism

You bring up a good point Playa.

Church and State are to stay separate but when it's time to go to War God please bless us.

Heck there was no creator involved getting us where we are today.(Interesting how humans can't change some of the major physical laws such as Gravity and the Speed of Light etc etc). Go to school learn about Science, Man Made theories Evolution highly esteem it etc etc, but when Science only goes so far and your life is on the line and it appears there's no other solution to save you let's start praying to God.

Money Money Money Monnnney.....Money....... like the O'jays said some people will kill their own brother for it. On the paper, the country in which we live in it's printed "In God We Trust".

So where in today's society is God established?

So from this debate I gather the Bible is just some book written/published like all other pieces of literature. It has about as much credibility as ESPN The Magazine. Religion is a joke(but this is due to man not being able to properly establish it) not because it doesn't do humans any good. Everyone while you are here just do the best you can(be Gay, be whatever, etc etc). God can only judge you no other human being can(true) and when you expire each one's personal feeling has an end result of a heavenly hope.

So rightly put "TRUEBLUE" what has the human race coming to when God's standards only apply when they are in trouble or about to die.

Who told the sun where to stand in the morning, who told the ocean , you can only come this far, who told the moon where to hide til evening.

Why has his standards become archaic to so many?