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12/29/2006  11:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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What the Suns are doing now is running up the score. Shooting 3's and shooting early in the shot clock with a 20 pt lead. So why aren't the Knicks and Isiah taking umbrage to it?

Fire him!

Huh?

You weren't being sarcastic?
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12/29/2006  11:16 PM
we got no calls. steph got beat up tonight and got no calls at all..

Jamal was cold

Curry was hot, rebounded and blocked a shot or two and changed some others..

Frye looked smooth when he was on the floor, nice turnaround jumper

Lee was lee, a beast on the boards..

We don't defend the 3 point line. We made friggin raja bell look like reggie miller. should never happen with guys like him.

The suns can be beat. you must take away the open set shots, make them score off the dribble, but you must be commited to doing that and play it smart. We did neither.. that is why we lost...
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12/29/2006  11:19 PM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by islesfan:

What the Suns are doing now is running up the score. Shooting 3's and shooting early in the shot clock with a 20 pt lead. So why aren't the Knicks and Isiah taking umbrage to it?


As always here is Islesfan in all his glory when the Knicks lose.

I'm here win or loss but hey, go nuts with your lies. There's no doubt that all the people who dislike me will run with it.
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12/29/2006  11:21 PM
Posted by tkf:

we got no calls. steph got beat up tonight and got no calls at all..


We got 21 FTAs to their 11, so we probably get some calls.
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12/29/2006  11:22 PM

Suns are a good team, turnovers got the Knicks in a hole and they just couldn't get bak into it...The pace is a bit of a shock initially I think for teams that don't get to play PHX much...Players tend to rush shots and make quick passes....I think the Knicks adjusted better after the bad start...No worries...You move on get ready for the next game...
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12/29/2006  11:31 PM
Just remember that this is a learning process. The Suns have been under this system now for a few years and it shows. The Knicks are just now starting to develop an identity and it's still not completely settled, in fact we just recently have been able to field some of these players and others are missing, so it's gonna take a lot longer than this for the Knicks to reach the level of teams like the Suns. There's no disgrace in losing to a great team like this.

We knew how bad this Knick team is guarding the perimeter and going against a great shooting team like the Suns you're gonna get blitz if you don't defend them right. It was that 1st qtr as usual that got us in trouble. We have to find a way to come out stronger to start games. We don't score or defend well, but then we pick up our play and do better. Tonigght we were fine in the 2nd and 3rd, but that 1st Qtr put us so far behind that it's hard to catch a team like them. We had to stay close to have a chance.

[Edited by - nixluva on 12-29-2006 4:32 PM]
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12/29/2006  11:32 PM
well...problem was the 1st quarter....

we outscored the suns in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, and 4th quarter it was a wrap

''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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12/30/2006  1:12 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:

we got no calls. steph got beat up tonight and got no calls at all..


We got 21 FTAs to their 11, so we probably get some calls.

we should of shot more. Had the calls been made. suns shoot jumpers, so I can understand why they would get less FTA...

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12/30/2006  1:45 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:

we got no calls. steph got beat up tonight and got no calls at all..


We got 21 FTAs to their 11, so we probably get some calls.

we should of shot more. Had the calls been made. suns shoot jumpers, so I can understand why they would get less FTA...


Suns shoot jumpers on those rare occasions they don't get uncontested layups. IOW, we should have fouled more!

Only knicks fans can have a nearly 100% positive disparity in foul shots (21 to 11) and still consider themselves robbed by the refs.
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12/30/2006  10:41 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by islesfan:

What the Suns are doing now is running up the score. Shooting 3's and shooting early in the shot clock with a 20 pt lead. So why aren't the Knicks and Isiah taking umbrage to it?


As always here is Islesfan in all his glory when the Knicks lose.

I'm here win or loss but hey, go nuts with your lies. There's no doubt that all the people who dislike me will run with it.

You're a lot more visible in losses
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12/30/2006  12:41 PM
couple of intetresting notes: both pistons and knicks lost their following games after mortal kombat. and crusty darrell armstrong [eyes rolling] delivered the final blow against pistons
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12/30/2006  2:46 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:

we got no calls. steph got beat up tonight and got no calls at all..


We got 21 FTAs to their 11, so we probably get some calls.

we should of shot more. Had the calls been made. suns shoot jumpers, so I can understand why they would get less FTA...


Suns shoot jumpers on those rare occasions they don't get uncontested layups. IOW, we should have fouled more!

Only knicks fans can have a nearly 100% positive disparity in foul shots (21 to 11) and still consider themselves robbed by the refs.


so you are saying if we get fouled 50 times, but only get 20 calls, as long as we shoot more than the other team, that is all that matters? interesting.

I nearly commented that marbury got robbed on a lot of calls. Simple and plain.
Only knicks fans can have a nearly 100% positive disparity in foul shots (21 to 11) and still consider themselves robbed by the refs.

yup. that and the sensless booing is what makes us the very best.....
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12/30/2006  3:13 PM
Posted by tkf:
so you are saying if we get fouled 50 times, but only get 20 calls, as long as we shoot more than the other team, that is all that matters? interesting.

I nearly commented that marbury got robbed on a lot of calls. Simple and plain.

No, you said we got "no calls."

Now I'm not trying to be a semantical jerk and pick on your phrasing, I'm addressing your constant lament that the refs screw the knicks. When you double the other teams production at the foul line you're not getting screwed. Especially when the other team was running through your paint unfettered all night long. We should have been sending them to the line more. We'd have been better off with them shooting MORE FTs.

We just disagree on what this team needs for success in this league. You think the key is for the league to adjust it's calls to favor Marbury and Curry's shoulder pummeling drives while I think we need to toughen up on defense. The amount of clean layups and dunks from those guys was flat-out unacceptable. What happened to the Mardy Collins no-dunk rule - only worthwhile with 90 secs to go against Brown's best friends?

Perhaps you'd be more satisfied if instead of us enjoying the 2:1 advantage we had at the free throw line we'd have a 3:1, 4:1, or 5:1 advantage. Those are gifts you take when you can get 'em. But I think if we played the Suns as tough in the interior as they did to us (yes, we need to aspire to the Suns defensive execution) we'd have a chance to be in that game, and a lot more games, without needing anything more from the refs.

A simple philosophical difference between us.
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12/30/2006  7:39 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
so you are saying if we get fouled 50 times, but only get 20 calls, as long as we shoot more than the other team, that is all that matters? interesting.

I nearly commented that marbury got robbed on a lot of calls. Simple and plain.

No, you said we got "no calls."

Now I'm not trying to be a semantical jerk and pick on your phrasing, I'm addressing your constant lament that the refs screw the knicks. When you double the other teams production at the foul line you're not getting screwed. Especially when the other team was running through your paint unfettered all night long. We should have been sending them to the line more. We'd have been better off with them shooting MORE FTs.

We just disagree on what this team needs for success in this league. You think the key is for the league to adjust it's calls to favor Marbury and Curry's shoulder pummeling drives while I think we need to toughen up on defense. The amount of clean layups and dunks from those guys was flat-out unacceptable. What happened to the Mardy Collins no-dunk rule - only worthwhile with 90 secs to go against Brown's best friends?

Perhaps you'd be more satisfied if instead of us enjoying the 2:1 advantage we had at the free throw line we'd have a 3:1, 4:1, or 5:1 advantage. Those are gifts you take when you can get 'em. But I think if we played the Suns as tough in the interior as they did to us (yes, we need to aspire to the Suns defensive execution) we'd have a chance to be in that game, and a lot more games, without needing anything more from the refs.

A simple philosophical difference between us.

You think the key is for the league to adjust it's calls to favor Marbury and Curry's shoulder pummeling drives while I think we need to toughen up on defense.

so now you are telling me what I think? OK, this is getting too deep. The point is, I feel as much as we drive and play in the paint, we get shafted on calls, espeically when the league is busy giving calls to guys who flop every posession down the court... I don't like the way the league is officiated, that is no secret. I think the NBA officiating is the worst, and not only during knicks games as you attempt to make it seem.

No biggie. No need for a 1 page discussion.... actually there really is no philosophical difference. We all want the same thing I hope. Good defense, good offense, share the ball, rebound and pass the ball. And we all want a well officiated game.....

Nothing Big.. and really nothing for me to spend this much time on...
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12/30/2006  8:53 PM
Posted by tkf:
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so you are saying if we get fouled 50 times, but only get 20 calls, as long as we shoot more than the other team, that is all that matters? interesting.

I nearly commented that marbury got robbed on a lot of calls. Simple and plain.

No, you said we got "no calls."

Now I'm not trying to be a semantical jerk and pick on your phrasing, I'm addressing your constant lament that the refs screw the knicks. When you double the other teams production at the foul line you're not getting screwed. Especially when the other team was running through your paint unfettered all night long. We should have been sending them to the line more. We'd have been better off with them shooting MORE FTs.

We just disagree on what this team needs for success in this league. You think the key is for the league to adjust it's calls to favor Marbury and Curry's shoulder pummeling drives while I think we need to toughen up on defense. The amount of clean layups and dunks from those guys was flat-out unacceptable. What happened to the Mardy Collins no-dunk rule - only worthwhile with 90 secs to go against Brown's best friends?

Perhaps you'd be more satisfied if instead of us enjoying the 2:1 advantage we had at the free throw line we'd have a 3:1, 4:1, or 5:1 advantage. Those are gifts you take when you can get 'em. But I think if we played the Suns as tough in the interior as they did to us (yes, we need to aspire to the Suns defensive execution) we'd have a chance to be in that game, and a lot more games, without needing anything more from the refs.

A simple philosophical difference between us.

You think the key is for the league to adjust it's calls to favor Marbury and Curry's shoulder pummeling drives while I think we need to toughen up on defense.

so now you are telling me what I think? OK, this is getting too deep. The point is, I feel as much as we drive and play in the paint, we get shafted on calls, espeically when the league is busy giving calls to guys who flop every posession down the court... I don't like the way the league is officiated, that is no secret. I think the NBA officiating is the worst, and not only during knicks games as you attempt to make it seem.

No biggie. No need for a 1 page discussion.... actually there really is no philosophical difference. We all want the same thing I hope. Good defense, good offense, share the ball, rebound and pass the ball. And we all want a well officiated game.....

Nothing Big.. and really nothing for me to spend this much time on...



No biggy for sure. We all know you'll complain about officiating after every lose, and a 2:1 advantage at the line, even against a team that ate us up in the paint, isn't good enough. Doesn't bother me... of the 50-60 times a year you lodge the same complaint I only acknowledge it once or twice. This was simply one of those times.
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12/30/2006  11:38 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
so you are saying if we get fouled 50 times, but only get 20 calls, as long as we shoot more than the other team, that is all that matters? interesting.

I nearly commented that marbury got robbed on a lot of calls. Simple and plain.

No, you said we got "no calls."

Now I'm not trying to be a semantical jerk and pick on your phrasing, I'm addressing your constant lament that the refs screw the knicks. When you double the other teams production at the foul line you're not getting screwed. Especially when the other team was running through your paint unfettered all night long. We should have been sending them to the line more. We'd have been better off with them shooting MORE FTs.

We just disagree on what this team needs for success in this league. You think the key is for the league to adjust it's calls to favor Marbury and Curry's shoulder pummeling drives while I think we need to toughen up on defense. The amount of clean layups and dunks from those guys was flat-out unacceptable. What happened to the Mardy Collins no-dunk rule - only worthwhile with 90 secs to go against Brown's best friends?

Perhaps you'd be more satisfied if instead of us enjoying the 2:1 advantage we had at the free throw line we'd have a 3:1, 4:1, or 5:1 advantage. Those are gifts you take when you can get 'em. But I think if we played the Suns as tough in the interior as they did to us (yes, we need to aspire to the Suns defensive execution) we'd have a chance to be in that game, and a lot more games, without needing anything more from the refs.

A simple philosophical difference between us.

You think the key is for the league to adjust it's calls to favor Marbury and Curry's shoulder pummeling drives while I think we need to toughen up on defense.

so now you are telling me what I think? OK, this is getting too deep. The point is, I feel as much as we drive and play in the paint, we get shafted on calls, espeically when the league is busy giving calls to guys who flop every posession down the court... I don't like the way the league is officiated, that is no secret. I think the NBA officiating is the worst, and not only during knicks games as you attempt to make it seem.

No biggie. No need for a 1 page discussion.... actually there really is no philosophical difference. We all want the same thing I hope. Good defense, good offense, share the ball, rebound and pass the ball. And we all want a well officiated game.....

Nothing Big.. and really nothing for me to spend this much time on...



No biggy for sure. We all know you'll complain about officiating after every lose, and a 2:1 advantage at the line, even against a team that ate us up in the paint, isn't good enough. Doesn't bother me... of the 50-60 times a year you lodge the same complaint I only acknowledge it once or twice. This was simply one of those times.

We all know you'll complain about officiating after every lose,

actually, I also do it after we win. Here is a post of mine on realgm after we beat the pistons.
Wow what a game. I feel sorry if you missed this one.. Now I wasn't going to complain about the officiating, I thought there were too many fouls, but the game was officiated somewhat OK. But when they called that foul that sixth foul on marbury away from the ball on that flop from Rip. I was done, with these clowns.. That was the worst call I have ever seen, took the second best player out of a highly contested game that was weighing in the balance..... How bad can you get..

The very few times we win, but I guess you are never around when we win to see that I do so, only after the losses. But that is cool. I have a thing with NBA officiating, win or lose, I also complain about them on other boards with other teams.. But I guess it is easier it seems to peghole me into being a knicks homer, but again that is cool, and no biggie.....

All is good...

[Edited by - tkf on 12-30-2006 11:47 PM]
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12/31/2006  12:30 AM
Posted by tkf:
actually, I also do it after we win. Here is a post of mine on realgm after we beat the pistons.
Wow what a game. I feel sorry if you missed this one.. Now I wasn't going to complain about the officiating, I thought there were too many fouls, but the game was officiated somewhat OK. But when they called that foul that sixth foul on marbury away from the ball on that flop from Rip. I was done, with these clowns.. That was the worst call I have ever seen, took the second best player out of a highly contested game that was weighing in the balance..... How bad can you get..


The very few times we win, but I guess you are never around when we win to see that I do so, only after the losses. But that is cool. I have a thing with NBA officiating, win or lose, I also complain about them on other boards with other teams..

Yeah sure. We win so you say overall the game was officiated okay. How often do you say that after a loss? Your "keys to the loss" usually BEGIN with the officiating, while once in a blue moon you bury a bad call or two the other way in the "keys to the win."

Suns are the team that suffered a 2:1 disadvantage at the line, but I doubt their fans care much cause they don't need the refs to dictate a win. Hopefully someday we'll have a team that wont require perfect officiating. And until that day, perhaps some of our guys can adjust to the refs rather than the other way around. That's one of the biggest improvements Curry has made this year and it'll make your life a lot easier.
But I guess it is easier it seems to peghole me into being a knicks homer, but again that is cool, and no biggie.....

All is good...

[Edited by - tkf on 12-30-2006 11:47 PM]


Lets just put it this way: it's for fans like that we have an announcer like Breen.

Have a good New Year, if we don't argue again before then...
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12/31/2006  11:22 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
actually, I also do it after we win. Here is a post of mine on realgm after we beat the pistons.
Wow what a game. I feel sorry if you missed this one.. Now I wasn't going to complain about the officiating, I thought there were too many fouls, but the game was officiated somewhat OK. But when they called that foul that sixth foul on marbury away from the ball on that flop from Rip. I was done, with these clowns.. That was the worst call I have ever seen, took the second best player out of a highly contested game that was weighing in the balance..... How bad can you get..


The very few times we win, but I guess you are never around when we win to see that I do so, only after the losses. But that is cool. I have a thing with NBA officiating, win or lose, I also complain about them on other boards with other teams..

Yeah sure. We win so you say overall the game was officiated okay. How often do you say that after a loss? Your "keys to the loss" usually BEGIN with the officiating, while once in a blue moon you bury a bad call or two the other way in the "keys to the win."

Suns are the team that suffered a 2:1 disadvantage at the line, but I doubt their fans care much cause they don't need the refs to dictate a win. Hopefully someday we'll have a team that wont require perfect officiating. And until that day, perhaps some of our guys can adjust to the refs rather than the other way around. That's one of the biggest improvements Curry has made this year and it'll make your life a lot easier.
But I guess it is easier it seems to peghole me into being a knicks homer, but again that is cool, and no biggie.....

All is good...

[Edited by - tkf on 12-30-2006 11:47 PM]


Lets just put it this way: it's for fans like that we have an announcer like Breen.

Have a good New Year, if we don't argue again before then...

And until that day, perhaps some of our guys can adjust to the refs rather than the other way around.

You know, I said the same thing before, but if that means flopping and acting, then I just rather continue to complain. Blue seats, The NBA officiating is horrible, in sterns attempt to internationalize the game, he created a enviornment for the refs and players that is so confusing, the refs don't really know how to call the games, the players, or most players don't know what to expect, guys flop and are rewarded, guys play good defense and are punished by floppers and fakers, it really is ugly ball. Hard fouls are now Technicals, guys fake and jump 3 feet to the left as you land no where near them and they get the foul calls, I mean this is ugly ball and officiating. But I guess you are right. when in rome, do as the romans do. It just sucks...

That's one of the biggest improvements Curry has made this year and it'll make your life a lot easier

True, but I think that had a lot to do with coaching, what has happened to the other players, are they just that stubborn?
Have a good New Year, if we don't argue again before then

Have a safe and happy New year also... don't drink too much... leave that to me....
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