Posted by 4949:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Talk about overreacting, from both sides.

Haven't we read this before? How many here destroyed Frye last summer for his play? He wound up shutting up everyone being the best rookie we had last season and amazingly looking like a proven veteran.

How many critisized Isiah for keeping Lee instead of giving him up to the Bulls? Now Lee is proving to be a great all-around prospect.

Lets give them time to get themselves going before we send them out of the NBA...

Exactly!

Lee looks good, but next year's pick would probably look better. Also, comparing Frye and Balkman, well... ouch. But you do have a point. We'll see how Balkman does, if he even plays.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I love how when you are critical on this forum that you are called a hater. This **** is getting pretty ridiculous guys. Just because we don't blindly support every single move that this franchise makes like some of you do, does not make some of his haters.

There are no haters, just opinion makers, of course unless you have no oppinions. Let's not hate. Let's give our two cents and then talk it out, until we come to a middle ground.

Posted by BRIGGS:

here is the layman---he does not have 20th pick talent.

lol. You know what-- nevermind.

even though I saw amare stoudemire practice in NJ for 15 minutes and i knew he was the next shaq 1 year before he entered the draft.

You also knew Frye had bust written all over him after one summer league game. I ain't impressed. Playing up the big hits while ignoring the big misses (and there's been plenty)-- another kind of bias. Make enough big proclamations and some of them are bound to come true just by dumb luck.

Posted by tomverve:

So much drama! The point is that, while Balkman has flaws, he has positives as well. Even Briggs' boy Givony said as much regarding this game-- not great, but some solid contributions. Briggs is the only person who holds this position that Balkman is basically garbage. Then again, at some points Briggs thought Frye was a bust, Guillermo Diaz was a lotto pick, etc... he lets his imagination run away with itself some times, and he's quite prone to letting his agendas affect his judgment ("we should have picked Bynum -> so I will nitpick and trash Frye" ... "we should have picked Williams -> so I will nitpick and trash Balkman"). Some people might call him a hater because of all this, but I just take it as good evidence that his ranting and raving is to be taken with about two tons of salt. It means very little in the grand scheme of things.

It was just two nights ago, that eveyone was in good spirits and we were going to the playoffs. Now it's the end of the World again, because we lost a SL game? Let's cool out guys and look at the substance here. These are our rookie players here. This is were they get a chance, especially the new guys, to get a taste of NBA play. Sure they're all rooks, but they will all play against each other, some, for years to come. Don't lose sight of something called 'development' and the sacrifice that goes with that in developing that. If anything, better to learn the hard knocks now, then later on. Give them the taste of defeat and what went wrong and view the tapes and put it together. These are the guys who are going to be complimenting our veterans. We all need each other, as a team to succeed, otherwise all of this devisiveness (and yes' I'm guilty too of hating starbury) is going to get the best of us again.

Cool, now go dig up the post where you said he had bust written all over him.

Posted by Rich:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Rich:

It was reported that Frye wasn't in shape as a result of the limitations imposed by rehabbing the knee injury. Granted Amare was too much for him to handle, but he may not be able to play back to back games yet.

let me see, amare comes off devastating microfracture surgery--hasnt played in a year--looked like an athletic shell of himself, but we cry about frye not being in shape. as knick fans, im sorry but i dont want to here the never ending excuses for these guys. i like frye, but he was playing against a guy who is just flat out a meaner dude, and while mare was out of shape out of sync and looked nothing like the old amare[which is sad] he TKOd Frye real quick. get real

This just in: Frye isn't anywhere near as good as Amare.

Yeah that's fine dude, we know he's not. But the way he banged, hustled, looked for and got whatever shot he wanted (esp. in close) in the first SL game was not there in this 2nd game. He looked totally intimidated by Amare, no question in my mind and it concerned me a little watching it. We know Amare's good but **** him man, go at his ass hard Channing!!!! He wasn't doing that, then he rolled the ankle and that was it. Only one game, and a SL game at that, so I'm not pushing panic buttons or anything but his play disappointed me. I mean you got like ten fouls or whatever dude, USE 'EM!!!! Play hard, you're not fouling out! That's exactly how Amare played it against Frye - he used the game as a measuring stick on his road back to recovery, the refs let the heavy contact go, but Frye never responded. No reason for his passive play...

Also, can we give this kid Adeleke a nice run to see what he can do please Aguirre? Jeeez. Channing goes out with the ankle in the 1st half and Kenny only gets like 5 mins.? WTF is that dude? This SL to me is really about 3 things:
(1) Kenny Adeleke, if he can play or not, and whether we need to over spend to bring back Jackie
(2) Channing's knee, which looks good to me thank God - no ill effects, so that question is pretty much answered. Needs to step it up against good competition though (Amare) and not play like a puss...
(3) See if Nate can really run a team out there - and he really can't yet, still out of control. His PG skills need work...

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by BRIGGS:

the only critiscm I had with frye had to do with some animosity for picking him over Bynum.

No kidding. So your animosity over selecting Frye instead of Bynum led you to make some critiques you otherwise wouldn't have? It's a good thing you don't have any animosity over the Balkman selection then, cuz otherwise I'd say your judgment of him would be clouded as well.

ive never said a word about balkman other than I cant believe he is our pick 20 and I think that im in the VERY high majority

Except for shouting to anyone who will listen, repeatedly, that Balkman won't even make it in the NBA and is NBDL material-- in which case it seems you are in the minority. Besides those 50 or so posts, you're right, you haven't said anything except that you can't believe we took him at 20.

thomas--if you can show me one of your postings where you evaluated amateur talent in any way shape or form before the fact, id like to see it. i provide the content you provide the blabber. You have said nothing other than to be critical of a dissenting opinion among some knick fans.

Posted by tomverve:

You're right, I don't evaluate amateur talent before the fact, but I fail to see how that's relevant. I'm not talking about Balkman the college player, I'm just talking about Balkman in two summer league games. Every evaluation I've seen of those two games, including my own, had some good things to say about Balkman-- except yours. I also know you have a history of getting carried away with your obsessions and letting your agendas (or animosities or whatever) interfere with your judgments, and it looks to me an awful lot like that pattern is repeating once again. So forgive me if I cast a skeptical eye on your evaluations of Balkman. Either way, we'll see soon enough how he fares in the NBA.

uh oh thomas-- AB put up 14 points 15 rebounds 5 blocks 2 assists and a steal all at the tender age of 18. Now standing at 7-2 290 i think he has a future

http://www.summerproleague.com/july9game2.pdf

lol, what a dumb post. What does Bynum have to do with anything? Except you trying to stroke your ego? No matter how well Bynum does, it doesn't make your "Frye has bust written all over him" moments any less ridiculous. Apparently you still cannot separate your evaluation of a player from your evaluation of the GM who picked him.

It's ok though big boy, you're still the man and you're never wrong about anything. Renaldo Balkman has bust written all over him and Bynum is the next Jesus. Feel better?

LOL! You guys take BRIGGS way too seriously!!

(I know he takes himself seriously, but we're not required to do the same.)



[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 07-09-2006 21:11]