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Bippity10
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4/7/2006  4:49 PM
Again with the LB nonsense. I don't care about LB. I don't care who is coach. I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. What I know is LB has won, that's all I know and that's all I care about. All I know is this team has a history of quitting on Lenny, Herb and now LB. All I know is each time we've fired the coach. The name has changed but the story has stayed the same. At what point do we think maybe it's not the coach? He's easy to point the finger at and that's why we keep firing them. But the result is 7 years of failure.

Maybe start a thread and ask metssuck becasuse we really got into it a couple years ago during the anybody but Don debates of a few years ago. Many posters were making the same arguments they made today. Myself, fish and maybe 5 or 6 others tried to make the point that a coach can make you better. they can add a couple wins to a roster. They can make a bad team mediocre. A mediocre team good. And a good team great. But when you are a bad team you can't jump into a great one. To many expansion teams go through coach after coach after coach all the while hoping that the next draft pick will be the star that turns it all around. Or the next coach will be the savior coach. I tried to say it could be Phil Jackson, LB, Red Aurebach and we would still be an awful organization headed down the road to misery. Bring in winners first, develop a plan, create some stability, take the powere away from the malcontents and worry about the wins later.

There is no other way.
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4/7/2006  4:50 PM
Everyone paints a pretty picture of these guys after they are gone and the next guy has failed. The team quit on Lenny and nobody wanted him here.
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4/7/2006  4:54 PM
Dido: then you agree with me. It's everyone. It's not the coach. It's not the players. It's not the GM. It's how we run the organization. How we allow the players to run the ship. How we fire the coach at the first sign of hard times. How we force our GM to sign players to sell tickets. How we fans blame the coach when our players quit. Everything associated with this organization is a mess. INCLUDING LB. That does not mean you fire the one guy in the organization who has actually won something.

You guys can't get it straight. Just because I don't run around saying fire LB you think I love him. I don't. I just don't care about him. But I know that in order to win you have to bring in people that have won before. The best player for our roster right now is Malik Rose and he has been awful this year!!!!!!!!!! But I guess unless I say trade Malik that must mean I don't think he's done anything wrong or is not at least partially to blame. It is everyone!!!!!!!!! Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop pointing fingers and thinking the next guy will fix it. Our organization stinks!!!!
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4/7/2006  4:56 PM
The Bip will walk through the Saharah Dessert, drink water from the Dead Sea, climb Mount Everest with no jacket and Oxygen supply, so he can prove that we need to change our ways and it's not only the coaches fault. The Great Allanfan20 approves.
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Posted by Bippity10:

Again with the LB nonsense. I don't care about LB. I don't care who is coach. I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. What I know is LB has won, that's all I know and that's all I care about. All I know is this team has a history of quitting on Lenny, Herb and now LB. All I know is each time we've fired the coach. The name has changed but the story has stayed the same. At what point do we think maybe it's not the coach? He's easy to point the finger at and that's why we keep firing them. But the result is 7 years of failure.

Maybe start a thread and ask metssuck becasuse we really got into it a couple years ago during the anybody but Don debates of a few years ago. Many posters were making the same arguments they made today. Myself, fish and maybe 5 or 6 others tried to make the point that a coach can make you better. they can add a couple wins to a roster. They can make a bad team mediocre. A mediocre team good. And a good team great. But when you are a bad team you can't jump into a great one. To many expansion teams go through coach after coach after coach all the while hoping that the next draft pick will be the star that turns it all around. Or the next coach will be the savior coach. I tried to say it could be Phil Jackson, LB, Red Aurebach and we would still be an awful organization headed down the road to misery. Bring in winners first, develop a plan, create some stability, take the powere away from the malcontents and worry about the wins later.

There is no other way.

This team played very hard for Herb last year...That is not fair to say they quit on Herb..Quit on Lenny is a bit strong as well...Lenny was ineffective...The team didn't respond to lenny...But you can use quit as it suits your Larry arguement...



Herb did a good enough job to be given a shot but who can pass up Larry...The picture was not as dire as you are painting it to be...But now it is.....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-07-2006 5:01 PM]
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4/7/2006  5:01 PM
Maybe start a thread and ask metssuck becasuse we really got into it a couple years ago during the anybody but Don debates of a few years ago. Many posters were making the same arguments they made today. Myself, fish and maybe 5 or 6 others tried to make the point that a coach can make you better. they can add a couple wins to a roster. They can make a bad team mediocre. A mediocre team good. And a good team great. But when you are a bad team you can't jump into a great one. To many expansion teams go through coach after coach after coach all the while hoping that the next draft pick will be the star that turns it all around. Or the next coach will be the savior coach. I tried to say it could be Phil Jackson, LB, Red Aurebach and we would still be an awful organization headed down the road to misery. Bring in winners first, develop a plan, create some stability, take the powere away from the malcontents and worry about the wins later.

The team being bad is on the players and Isiah. A coach doinga good job can make you better etc. A coach doing a bad job can make you worse. This year a good coach made the Knicks from a bad team into a terrible one.

Everyone paints a pretty picture of these guys after they are gone and the next guy has failed. The team quit on Lenny and nobody wanted him here.

Everyone? Not by a long shot. The Knicks did not quit on Lenny, they simply went through a bad stretch while injured. They had no shooting guard because Alan and Jamal were out. Nazr got hurt. They lost a lot of close games. IT panicked like a fool and fired Wilkens. And despite all tumult, the were about 33% better than this team.

But you're right, with any great coach this team would be a 22 win squad. That's what great coaches do. They flush teams down the toilet.

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4/7/2006  5:04 PM
Dido: then you agree with me. It's everyone. It's not the coach. It's not the players. It's not the GM. It's how we run the organization. How we allow the players to run the ship. How we fire the coach at the first sign of hard times. How we force our GM to sign players to sell tickets. How we fans blame the coach when our players quit. Everything associated with this organization is a mess. INCLUDING LB. That does not mean you fire the one guy in the organization who has actually won something.

Flippity: Keep throwing explanations at the wall, one of them might stick eventually.
You guys can't get it straight. Just because I don't run around saying fire LB you think I love him. I don't. I just don't care about him. But I know that in order to win you have to bring in people that have won before. The best player for our roster right now is Malik Rose and he has been awful this year!!!!!!!!!! But I guess unless I say trade Malik that must mean I don't think he's done anything wrong or is not at least partially to blame. It is everyone!!!!!!!!! Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop pointing fingers and thinking the next guy will fix it. Our organization stinks!!!!

Flippity: keep on flip floppin'

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4/7/2006  5:18 PM
Like I said unless I say trade, ban or fire you guys are of the belief that I love everything that person does. The message is clear. I have not varied in 7 years. I have said the same about LB, Don, Lenny and Herb. About Laydne and Zeke. About Allan and Marbs. But some in their fervor and zeal to blame one man for our failures just can't see it.
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4/7/2006  5:20 PM
Oohaah: When I type that it's everyone's fault in the organization what does that mean? That it's everyone but LB? Do we need a dictionary for the definition of everyone? It's an organizational problem and everyone is falling victim to it. It's sucking the life out of great coach's and talented players and all we do is point fingers at one guy. Every year. Time for a change.
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4/7/2006  5:30 PM
Like I said unless I say trade, ban or fire you guys are of the belief that I love everything that person does. The message is clear. I have not varied in 7 years. I have said the same about LB, Don, Lenny and Herb. About Laydne and Zeke. About Allan and Marbs. But some in their fervor and zeal to blame one man for our failures just can't see it.

That might be believable if you ever assigned one iota of blame to LB, or if you had ever suggested that it was possible that LB has done something wrong this season. But for everything he has done you have an explanation for how it is essential to future success. At least those other coaches were defensible, this season is indefensible, no matter who you point the finger at. LB is the coach, he gets the W's and the L's for a reason. No, it is not all in the service of future victories.

Please tell me: has LB done anything detrimental to the success of this team that doesn't have a qualifier behind it? This I'd like to see!

If you are decribing someone as blaming only LB, then you are describing someone besides me. I have commented about IT's failings as well. I don't care for Marbury. I have said this team was poor since early season. I just blame LB for making them extra-bad. If he had done even a mediocre job, I would have been fine with him for this season.

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4/7/2006  5:32 PM
Oohaah: When I type that it's everyone's fault in the organization what does that mean? That it's everyone but LB? Do we need a dictionary for the definition of everyone? It's an organizational problem and everyone is falling victim to it. It's sucking the life out of great coach's and talented players and all we do is point fingers at one guy. Every year. Time for a change.

That's your latest take, to include LB. You say everyone then you explain everything LB does as a benefit for the future. That is contradiction. Like I said, please tell me one thing he has done wrong, and please leave out the "as far as"...

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4/7/2006  5:38 PM
There's probably over 100 posts in the past month in which I say that it is everyone in the organization who is at fault from the GM to coach to the players. That has been my mantra for so long I am starting to wonder if you are just messing with me right now just seeing how long I will type.

I just don't condone quitters so you think I don't blame the coach. To me quitting is the worst thing an athlete can do. I also think LB is a winner, just like I think Malik is a winner. So despite their bad seasons I support both of them. Is that okay with you????
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4/7/2006  5:39 PM
Get it through your head, LB has had a bad season. I still support him 100%. That is not a contradiction you are just making it into one.
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4/7/2006  5:46 PM
Bippity, your tune changes all the time. I can't argue with you anymore. Blame everyone then exonerate one person with explanations, sure, that isn't a contradiction. And yes that is fine with me. I can't make you consistent.

I don't condone quitters either, especially not coaches who quit, but apparently that is bad for players but for coaches it is symbolic.

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4/7/2006  6:58 PM
damn i never thought steve francis' crying wouldturn my thread into this lol
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4/8/2006  10:02 PM
Oohaah, Once again, LB has had a horrible season, but I support him 100% and It would be a mistake akin to trading Patrick Ewing for spare parts to fire the guy. I'm not sure I can make my point any more clear.

It's like when my favorite pitcher Roy Halladay had an awful season for Toronto. I thought he had an awful season. I was disappointed in his season, but I didn't worry about it because he is a great pitcher and that stuff happens. Trading him would have been a disaster. Pretty similar situation.

Knick fans always want someone to axe so we can feel better about ourselves for 10 or 15 minutes. Then when the 15 minutes are up and we still stink we are too revved up from the firing to figure out, maybe it was something else.
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4/8/2006  10:03 PM
Honestly I think Oohaah and Holfresh are messing with me because noone's reading comprehension skills could be that poor.
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4/8/2006  10:33 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

damn i never thought steve francis' crying wouldturn my thread into this lol


steve francis cried? what a loser. trade him immeiately!

[Edited by - slimpack on 04-08-2006 10:33 PM]
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Honestly I think Oohaah and Holfresh are messing with me because noone's reading comprehension skills could be that poor.

Whatever Flippity-contradictory.

As I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt earlier this week, your opinion is continuosly morphing so you can claim to have called whatever is currently happening, even when those opinions unqestionably conflict with each other. Now that's ego trippin'!

What'll your opinion be next week? I'm sure you don't know.

You are constantly exaggerating my words, even fully making things up in order to lend credence to your half-baked scenarios for why everybody should shoulder the blame except for LB. Remember when I asked you yesterday to name one thing that LB has done wrong without a qualifier? How strange that you did not answer that!

But I'll take your advice from when I proved you have an differing opinion from post to post: I won't take you seriously.

I know one thing is for sure, all your players wish they had a quote button.

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4/9/2006  8:50 AM
Posted by oohah:
Honestly I think Oohaah and Holfresh are messing with me because noone's reading comprehension skills could be that poor.

Whatever Flippity-contradictory.

Yeah, you're better than that Bip! My opinion falls somewhere in the middle of both of yours. I think the principles of making players earn their PT and never knowing when they'll be called on until they show they can be counted on are very sound and I suspect they are guiding Larry's playing time. I just don't like his application of those principles because he's still giving a lot of minutes to guys who don't play hard and not enough minutes to those who do. Do I think the team would have far more wins if Larry played high effort guys first and lazy players last? No, only a few more wins. But it's not about wins; it's about establishing a winning attitude. If Larry were fully dedicated to that viewpoint (and I wish he were), he'd give the most minutes to Lee, Malik, and Jackie (and Frye before injury) in the frontcourt with fewer minutes to Eddy and no minutes to JJ or Mo T. I also think Larry embarrasses himself with childish comments to the media.
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