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4/4/2006  10:00 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I feel that the players have quit.



Bro, you know how I feel about this Larry thing, but I'm am so demoralized, I'm at a loss for words...How does one just snatch the spirit from Nate like that...I am a HUGE, HUGE Knick fan, I 'm not sure I can watch another game...
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4/4/2006  10:03 PM
Nate being told to cut out the bafoonary has reduced him to a slug overnight says alot about the character of Nate...

Isiah and his players stinks
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4/4/2006  10:08 PM
I think the players quit Jan 1st, 2005, when Steph proclaimed himself "the best."

Just been one extended plummet since then spanning the terms of three coaches.
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4/4/2006  10:18 PM
with this year's addition of larry laughingstock, zeke's coaching selection has been, and still is his achilles heel

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4/4/2006  10:19 PM
Posted by McK1:

Nate being told to cut out the bafoonary has reduced him to a slug overnight says alot about the character of Nate...

Isiah and his players stinks



Character, Larry wants to send him to the NBDL for punishment...What does that tell you about Larry's Character?
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4/4/2006  10:37 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

Nate being told to cut out the bafoonary has reduced him to a slug overnight says alot about the character of Nate...

Isiah and his players stinks



Character, Larry wants to send him to the NBDL for punishment...What does that tell you about Larry's Character?




you make it seems as if he wanted to send him to IRAQ

Nate does need to develop. He is very immature. On the bus with guys who aren't as fortunate as him may have opened an eye

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4/4/2006  10:39 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

Nate being told to cut out the bafoonary has reduced him to a slug overnight says alot about the character of Nate...

Isiah and his players stinks



Character, Larry wants to send him to the NBDL for punishment...What does that tell you about Larry's Character?


But isn't that what the NBDL is for?
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

Nate being told to cut out the bafoonary has reduced him to a slug overnight says alot about the character of Nate...

Isiah and his players stinks



Character, Larry wants to send him to the NBDL for punishment...What does that tell you about Larry's Character?


But isn't that what the NBDL is for?



Nate does not need work on his game in that manner....The guys drop 34 points against AI a couple of games ago and then you want to send him down?...

Not only that, what does the rest of the team think about their leader..How petty can this man be... I swear Larry's behavior is sometimes that of a catholic high school girl....
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4/4/2006  10:51 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

Nate being told to cut out the bafoonary has reduced him to a slug overnight says alot about the character of Nate...

Isiah and his players stinks



Character, Larry wants to send him to the NBDL for punishment...What does that tell you about Larry's Character?


But isn't that what the NBDL is for?



Nate does not need work on his game in that manner....The guys drop 34 points against AI a couple of games ago and then you want to send him down?...

Not only that, what does the rest of the team think about their leader..How petty can this man be... I swear Larry's behavior is sometimes that of a catholic high school girl....




While I do like Nate, it's hard to not like his energy, I think he's been one of the few guys that have been really trying out there, he never gives up. At the same time, Nates game does need some work. I think Brown was using the NBDL more as a threat than anything else, becuase I think its better for Nate to work the kinks out of his game in the NBA but in the end Larry said the same thing, he thought it would be better for him to stay up against the better competition. You can't deny that MOST of the time Nate is completely erratic. I'll say it again, I love the guys energy but most of the time he runs around like a chicken with no head and most of the time that just creates problems for the Knicks and not the other team.
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4/4/2006  11:46 PM
Look I don't think that Nate deserves the sort of treatment that LB has given him. Nate was making fine progress and it really showed back around the time of the 6 game win streak, just before Steph got hurt. With a starting lineup of of Steph, Nate, Lee, AD and Curry, the team seemed to hit a nice groove. If you go back and look at what Steph and Nate were doing it was pretty impressive. Nate had some down games, but overall his play was VERY good. What begs to be asked is why LB didn't stick with what he was doing? We knew Steph was going to be less than himself for a while, but that didn't mean that LB should totally change what was beginning to work. The team struggled to find any chemistry all year, mostly due to LB's poor use of the roster and then when they finally gel, he starts messing around again.

I think Nate has some growing up to do, but there has to be a better way of USING that energy and bravado Nate has to our advantage. LB is too interested in forcing guys to be what he wants them to be, rather than making use of a players strengths and minimizing weaknesses. He should simply find a way to calm Nate down when he gets too high. There has to be someone on the team, maybe a coach, who can pull him aside and talk to him and get him refocused, but in a positive way, that doesn't cut his balls off. LB has really botched things up this year and I can run down a laundry list of things he failed to do right this year. Yeah the players are flawed, but it was his JOB to minimize that and he made it worse. This is nowhere near the worst roster i've ever seen this franchise have and so I can't blame the players. I have to blame LB, who's supposed to be a coaching god. This is the worst season I can remember in a LOOOOOOONG time.
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4/4/2006  11:58 PM
how exactly is it LB's job to minimize players flaws?

how about whoever is responsible for the roster do a better job of scouting.

Jerome James in NY getting 5 yrs 29 mill says everything that need sto be said about Isiah's ability as an architect of a team.
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4/5/2006  12:09 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Look I don't think that Nate deserves the sort of treatment that LB has given him. Nate was making fine progress and it really showed back around the time of the 6 game win streak, just before Steph got hurt. With a starting lineup of of Steph, Nate, Lee, AD and Curry, the team seemed to hit a nice groove. If you go back and look at what Steph and Nate were doing it was pretty impressive. Nate had some down games, but overall his play was VERY good. What begs to be asked is why LB didn't stick with what he was doing? We knew Steph was going to be less than himself for a while, but that didn't mean that LB should totally change what was beginning to work. The team struggled to find any chemistry all year, mostly due to LB's poor use of the roster and then when they finally gel, he starts messing around again.

I think Nate has some growing up to do, but there has to be a better way of USING that energy and bravado Nate has to our advantage. LB is too interested in forcing guys to be what he wants them to be, rather than making use of a players strengths and minimizing weaknesses. He should simply find a way to calm Nate down when he gets too high. There has to be someone on the team, maybe a coach, who can pull him aside and talk to him and get him refocused, but in a positive way, that doesn't cut his balls off. LB has really botched things up this year and I can run down a laundry list of things he failed to do right this year. Yeah the players are flawed, but it was his JOB to minimize that and he made it worse. This is nowhere near the worst roster i've ever seen this franchise have and so I can't blame the players. I have to blame LB, who's supposed to be a coaching god. This is the worst season I can remember in a LOOOOOOONG time.


What the HELL has Nate done to deserve ANYTHING in this league yet? He won a dunk contest. Woohoo. He is a freaking rookie- a rookie who has fought not one but TWO VETERAN teammates this season and got in trouble for shooting freaking spitballs on the team bus. Give me a break. This whole Nate to the D-league thing is getting SO overblown. Christ now LB doesn't have the right to send a rookie to the D-league. WHich BTW, as mentioned before, was EXACTLY what the league is for!

Tell Gerald Green and Martell Webster and that rook center in Cleveland about not fair. I think Bynum was there too. They were all sent to the D-league. Martell was a lotto pick. Green was a projected superstar and fell to 18. ALL these guys went ahead of Nate.

I like Nate alot and I would love to see him develop to a great NBA starter. That requires his game to develop. Develop as in DEVELOPmental league.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 04-05-2006 12:09 AM]
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how exactly is it LB's job to minimize players flaws?

Seriously? The same way every coach does, by playing a style that suits what they are good at. For example, if you have a slow bruising team, you maximize their abilities by limiting possesions and working it inside. You try to slow it down. You don't get into a track meet.

If you got a fast team that doesn't shoot well, you try to get the possession count up, you get them fast-breaking, you take adavantage of slashing ability, you don't try to outbang the other team.

Just look at the Seattle Sonics from last year. They took advantage of what they had, and tried to conceal their flaws. Were they great? No. But they did a good job with what they had.

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Posted by oohah:
how exactly is it LB's job to minimize players flaws?

Seriously? The same way every coach does, by playing a style that suits what they are good at. For example, if you have a slow bruising team, you maximize their abilities by limiting possesions and working it inside. You try to slow it down. You don't get into a track meet.

If you got a fast team that doesn't shoot well, you try to get the possession count up, you get them fast-breaking, you take adavantage of slashing ability, you don't try to outbang the other team.

Just look at the Seattle Sonics from last year. They took advantage of what they had, and tried to conceal their flaws. Were they great? No. But they did a good job with what they had.

oohah

Seattle slowed the game some, played possession by possession (ppg average in the 90's)and beat you with Ray and Rashad at the end - 50 wins

Seattle runs up and down the court trying to outscore everyone (second in the league, over 100 a game)and lose 50.
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by nixluva:

Look I don't think that Nate deserves the sort of treatment that LB has given him. Nate was making fine progress and it really showed back around the time of the 6 game win streak, just before Steph got hurt. With a starting lineup of of Steph, Nate, Lee, AD and Curry, the team seemed to hit a nice groove. If you go back and look at what Steph and Nate were doing it was pretty impressive. Nate had some down games, but overall his play was VERY good. What begs to be asked is why LB didn't stick with what he was doing? We knew Steph was going to be less than himself for a while, but that didn't mean that LB should totally change what was beginning to work. The team struggled to find any chemistry all year, mostly due to LB's poor use of the roster and then when they finally gel, he starts messing around again.

I think Nate has some growing up to do, but there has to be a better way of USING that energy and bravado Nate has to our advantage. LB is too interested in forcing guys to be what he wants them to be, rather than making use of a players strengths and minimizing weaknesses. He should simply find a way to calm Nate down when he gets too high. There has to be someone on the team, maybe a coach, who can pull him aside and talk to him and get him refocused, but in a positive way, that doesn't cut his balls off. LB has really botched things up this year and I can run down a laundry list of things he failed to do right this year. Yeah the players are flawed, but it was his JOB to minimize that and he made it worse. This is nowhere near the worst roster i've ever seen this franchise have and so I can't blame the players. I have to blame LB, who's supposed to be a coaching god. This is the worst season I can remember in a LOOOOOOONG time.


What the HELL has Nate done to deserve ANYTHING in this league yet? He won a dunk contest. Woohoo. He is a freaking rookie- a rookie who has fought not one but TWO VETERAN teammates this season and got in trouble for shooting freaking spitballs on the team bus. Give me a break. This whole Nate to the D-league thing is getting SO overblown. Christ now LB doesn't have the right to send a rookie to the D-league. WHich BTW, as mentioned before, was EXACTLY what the league is for!

Tell Gerald Green and Martell Webster and that rook center in Cleveland about not fair. I think Bynum was there too. They were all sent to the D-league. Martell was a lotto pick. Green was a projected superstar and fell to 18. ALL these guys went ahead of Nate.

I like Nate alot and I would love to see him develop to a great NBA starter. That requires his game to develop. Develop as in DEVELOPmental league.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 04-05-2006 12:09 AM]



Dude, I keep saying this, stop making excuses for LB...Nate is not a D league player...Nate has maturity issues...That is something handled off the court...Is not a punishment issue, but he need someone to tell him how to channel his energy...If anything I think you Larry guys would just love the effort given by Nate on a nightly basis...He is still one of the few guys who still care about playing...What good does the D-League serve with 8 games left int the season...This is purely larry just making a point...And how long does it take the rest of you guys to just fall in line....Nate has played better than Green and Bynum this season...nate has shown he belongs in this league..Enough so that he has earn the respect of opposing players who seek him out to give him advice to keep his head up....It just a damn shame you guys just can't see the forest from the trees.. You keep defending LB b tch arse moves without even understanding his motives...
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4/5/2006  12:48 AM
something of interest.

in December after NY held the league leading offense Phoenix to 85 points in Phoenix, there next 9: 1-8

in the 8 losses beginning Dec 12th, every opponenet sored over 100 points.

112 to Milwaukee
105 to Orlando
112 to Atlanta
102 to Indy
109 to San Antonio
109 to NJ
105 to Orlando
113 to Milaukee

in only 8 of the 19 games prior did an opponent reach 100 and one of the games was the overtime loss to Boston

what happened to the effort at that point?

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4/5/2006  12:50 AM
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What good does the D-League serve with 8 games left int the season


Nate Robinson had become such a nuisance for Larry Brown that the coach considered sending him to the Developmental League last month to work on his game and improve his attitude.
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Seattle slowed the game some, played possession by possession (ppg average in the 90's)and beat you with Ray and Rashad at the end - 50 wins

Seattle runs up and down the court trying to outscore everyone (second in the league, over 100 a game)and lose 50.

Last years Sonics and this years Sonics are only separated by 3 points per game, their style has not changed much. The big difference is that last years team had different personnel.

It almost sounds as if you consider running to be inferior to slow down. I don't. In any case, it's not about running vs. half-court, your style is dictated by the players you have. That is how a coach minimizes flaws and maximizes strengths. That is the coaches job.

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Posted by McK1:

something of interest.

in December after NY held the league leading offense Phoenix to 85 points in Phoenix, there next 9: 1-8

in the 8 losses beginning Dec 12th, every opponenet sored over 100 points.

112 to Milwaukee
105 to Orlando
112 to Atlanta
102 to Indy
109 to San Antonio
109 to NJ
105 to Orlando
113 to Milaukee

in only 8 of the 19 games prior did an opponent reach 100 and one of the games was the overtime loss to Boston

what happened to the effort at that point?



If I remember correctly, after the Phoenix game, there were 4 games in 5 nights and the two previous game they played their hearts out...I do remember them playing well in Seattle before the Phoenix game...there was no way that team could have kept up the intensity after teh Phoenix game...It was physically impossible to keep up that level of play for the next five nights....I could be wrong but thats off the top of my head....
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Seattle slowed the game some, played possession by possession (ppg average in the 90's)and beat you with Ray and Rashad at the end - 50 wins

Seattle runs up and down the court trying to outscore everyone (second in the league, over 100 a game)and lose 50.

Last years Sonics and this years Sonics are only separated by 3 points per game, their style has not changed much. The big difference is that last years team had different personnel.

It almost sounds as if you consider running to be inferior to slow down. I don't. In any case, it's not about running vs. half-court, your style is dictated by the players you have. That is how a coach minimizes flaws and maximizes strengths. That is the coaches job.

oohah

3 points difference in points scored, 9 point difference in points given up.

the difference in that team is Nate is not coaching it. they played with more discipline under Nate.

it seems thats all Lb is asking here. take care of the ball. show some pride and effort on the defensive end.
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