How is it moving target. Why is it that I have to say I don't think Steph is a leader AND blame him for all our losses and boo him and run him out of town.

I am as consistent as the come and will argue with you for 75,000 posts if you want and never once change my view. Come on challenge me.

Here are my points:

1.) Steph is not a leader
2.) Steph is not the reason for our record, he is just one of about 85 that only get passing notice as the media and fans continue to hammer Steph
3.) I don't care who is in the uniform, I want to win. If Steph is traded for something that helps us great, but I do not believe that dumping Steph for table scraps turns us into Phoenix East
4.) Steph is receiveing the exact same treatment that Patrick and Allan received. Patrick was blamed for being selfish. Allan for making 100m and not being a star. Star for being Surly. Personally I think all the reasons people give are nonsense and they simply blame the star and the coach when NY teams lose because it's easier than going through a laundry list of all the reasons.

Where have I varied from any of this in my posts? The reality is that you hate Steph. When I say something good about him or defend him in anyway you think I am a lova. When I say anything bad about him you think my position has changed. It's because you find it impossible to defend him or say anything good about him at all. So when someone does they must be flip flopping. I'm jsut being objective. I don't give a rat's assse about what name is in the NY uniform. I want to win. I don't hate any player. I don't live to bash one player when my team is 7-20. Yet some on this site feel they have to. And that will always be the star. Because as Ny fans WE LOVES US SOME UNDERACHIEVING ROLE PLAYERS.

Posted by Bippity10:

How is it moving target. Why is it that I have to say I don't think Steph is a leader AND blame him for all our losses and boo him and run him out of town.

I am as consistent as the come and will argue with you for 75,000 posts if you want and never once change my view. Come on challenge me.

Here are my points:

1.) Steph is not a leader
2.) Steph is not the reason for our record, he is just one of about 85 that only get passing notice as the media and fans continue to hammer Steph
3.) I don't care who is in the uniform, I want to win. If Steph is traded for something that helps us great, but I do not believe that dumping Steph for table scraps turns us into Phoenix East
4.) Steph is receiveing the exact same treatment that Patrick and Allan received. Patrick was blamed for being selfish. Allan for making 100m and not being a star. Star for being Surly. Personally I think all the reasons people give are nonsense and they simply blame the star and the coach when NY teams lose because it's easier than going through a laundry list of all the reasons.

Where have I varied from any of this in my posts? The reality is that you hate Steph. When I say something good about him or defend him in anyway you think I am a lova. When I say anything bad about him you think my position has changed. It's because you find it impossible to defend him or say anything good about him at all. So when someone does they must be flip flopping. I'm jsut being objective. I don't give a rat's assse about what name is in the NY uniform. I want to win. I don't hate any player. I don't live to bash one player when my team is 7-20. Yet some on this site feel they have to. And that will always be the star. Because as Ny fans WE LOVES US SOME UNDERACHIEVING ROLE PLAYERS.

I agree 100%.

Posted by Bippity10:

How is it moving target.

Gee. maybe it's because after I pick him apart you tell me you do and have agreed. then turn around and question whether it's true or a media fabrication. then irrationally insist steph is the only guy taking heat. then say steph doesn't deserve blame, hes just a victim of ny hater against it's stars. then come back to agreeing with my negative critiques. then repeat the cycle.

Anyway, I don't care about who said what and holding them (you) accountable. This is about one singular issue for me and all this we are agruing through is diversion and nonsense.

One either considers Steph an asset to the organization or a liability, and it's clear where i stand, and Allan and Patrick and the media and whatever else you may assert, has NOTHING to do with it. Can you grasp that simple concept?

But after all the diversions, where you stand on that notion is somewhat less clear. But don't sweat it, the diversions eroded my interest.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-29-2005 1:21 PM]

I messed that last post up. In summary: please find where I said Steph does not deserve blame. I will say it again. Steph deserves blame, Jamal, Eddy, Larry, Q, the bench, the old guys, the young guys, zeke all deserve blame. Steph is just our scapegoat and the next guy brought in will be our next "savior". Just like Steph was two years ago. The cycle will never end.

Posted by Bippity10:

I messed that last post up. In summary: please find where I said Steph does not deserve blame. I will say it again. Steph deserves blame, Jamal, Eddy, Larry, Q, the bench, the old guys, the young guys, zeke all deserve blame. Steph is just our scapegoat and the next guy brought in will be our next "savior". Just like Steph was two years ago. The cycle will never end.

That's all tangential to the valid criticisms of Marbury and others that many of us make.

Posted by Bippity10:

Which are the same criticisms I make. I've never said most aren't valid. But since I also don't hop on "trade marbs at all costs" Or the " Marbs is the devil and the reason for our losing" bandwagon you seem to think I looooooooove Marbury and don't want to criticize him. Once again you are so blinded in your hate you can't see a difference. You consider him an asset or a liability. You either love him or hate him. You either criticize and never defend.

Blueseats this is the same stuff I argued about when Allan Houston was being blamed for the situation we were in. It's just a different poster and a different star.

See my 'blinded by hate' thread. I love this.

Allanfan: you were with me at MSG. Tell me that I did not say this is the exact thing that I would happen. Is this not the same stuff I was spouting about Allan Houston? Were people not saying this is different, Allan Houston is just not a winner, doesn't play hard, isn't a leader etc? You were there, is this not the same shiot.

Wait, wait, who's Allan Houston?? Marbury stinks, maybe we can trade him for this Allan Houston.

On a lighter note, how is MSG? They must miss me

Posted by Bippity10:

Which are the same criticisms I make. I've never said most aren't valid. But since I also don't hop on "trade marbs at all costs" Or the " Marbs is the devil and the reason for our losing" bandwagon you seem to think I looooooooove Marbury and don't want to criticize him. Once again you are so blinded in your hate you can't see a difference. You consider him an asset or a liability. You either love him or hate him. You either criticize and never defend.

Blueseats this is the same stuff I argued about when Allan Houston was being blamed for the situation we were in. It's just a different poster and a different star.

Bip, I don't know where all thius whining about you being accused of loooooving Marbury comes from, not me. I don't think. On the contrary, you are the one slinging the shallow slurs at me about how "blinded by hate" I am. Similarly, I am not bandwagoning in my assessments of Steph, I formed my opinions of him slowly and surely, as many from realgm will attest.

Where we agree (when you're not blaming the media, the mob, or a mythical "star treatment") is on steph's flaws. Where we disagree is it's affect on the team. That's all well and good. But all the rest of the name calling, and the media, and fans relationship to Allan and Patrick, is irrelevant BS.

Get it yet?