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Killa4luv
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6/22/2005  11:18 AM
Boozer 6yr 68mil.....Brand 6yr 82.2mil
Points..............18.......................20
Rebounds..........9.......................9.5
Assists..............2.8.....................2.8
Steals.............. .8..................... .8
Blocks............. .5.......................2.1
FG%................. 52% ....................50%

Stats don't tell you everything obviously, but the only significant statistical difference is blocks. Thats some damn good bang for your buck.

Boozer is 2 years younger too. It seems like Boozer is the better value, since neither are franchise talents although obviously Brand is a better player. I thought this was interesting.
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6/22/2005  11:28 AM
Brand is a far better defender and shot-blocker. I like both players a lot, but Brand is quiet better than Boozer. The #8 pick and an expiring contract would likely be not enough to get Brand, but it can't hurt to try. Their GM's not too smart. His team's made the playoffs only twice in his NINETEEN years as GM!
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6/22/2005  11:28 AM
Brand can score with his back to the basket in the post and I think a legit threat down low.

Boozer, to me, is more an opportunity guy.
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6/22/2005  1:20 PM
Please, trade KT, JYD, Rose and MoT before making a trade for a PF. Please!
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6/22/2005  4:19 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Please, trade KT, JYD, Rose and MoT before making a trade for a PF. Please!
trade them before or after getting someone like brand or boozer. What difference does the order make so long as the roster is balanced out by the start of next season?
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6/22/2005  4:24 PM
Brand is MUCH better.
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6/22/2005  4:42 PM
trade them before or after getting someone like brand or boozer. What difference does the order make so long as the roster is balanced out by the start of next season?

Order does tend to matter. If you have excess, teams will know you are trying to desperately get rid off a player and offer less.
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6/22/2005  5:07 PM
Brand is clearly more talented. Offensively they put up similar numbers--- I don't think their games are THAT different on this end of the floor, but I feel Brand is a little more athletic (but perhaps a little shorter)

On defense, Boozer is more or less a tough fundamental defensive player-- he doesn't seem to take risks, he just pounds his man with his solid body and boxes out-- you don't see him getting too many blocks or steals. Brand is a deceptive shot blocker with his HUGE wingspan (as opposed to the merely good wingspan of Sweetney) and excellent weak side instincts. He's not a traditional shot blocking threat, but this element of his game makes him a whole lot more valuable. And I suppose that's what the Clippers are getting for $4 million more/year.

Both players could get you 20ppg/10rpg in a good year, but Brand will be a little more likely to lead a fast break every so often, blow by his man for a dunk, and send a lazy layup into the stands.

As far as bang for buck goes, there are players less productive than Boozer earning the league max (think Keith Van Horn, Tim Thomas...), so he's clearly a good deal.
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6/22/2005  6:16 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Brand is clearly more talented. Offensively they put up similar numbers--- I don't think their games are THAT different on this end of the floor, but I feel Brand is a little more athletic (but perhaps a little shorter)

On defense, Boozer is more or less a tough fundamental defensive player-- he doesn't seem to take risks, he just pounds his man with his solid body and boxes out-- you don't see him getting too many blocks or steals. Brand is a deceptive shot blocker with his HUGE wingspan (as opposed to the merely good wingspan of Sweetney) and excellent weak side instincts. He's not a traditional shot blocking threat, but this element of his game makes him a whole lot more valuable. And I suppose that's what the Clippers are getting for $4 million more/year.

Both players could get you 20ppg/10rpg in a good year, but Brand will be a little more likely to lead a fast break every so often, blow by his man for a dunk, and send a lazy layup into the stands.

As far as bang for buck goes, there are players less productive than Boozer earning the league max (think Keith Van Horn, Tim Thomas...), so he's clearly a good deal.
Nice synopsis, but I think EB has a way more developed post game than CB. But Boozer is younger and could get there, he;ll never be the blocker that Brand is though, he doesn't have the physical tools.
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6/22/2005  7:02 PM
We're looking for effective, not a sheer repertoire of moves. Heck, Kareem made a career out of 1 go-to move. Lots of players have a huge repertoire of average moves-- it doesn't make them more effective. Boozer isn't the most versatile scorer out there, but he gets the job done.

BTW... Boozer (1981) is only 2 years younger than Brand (1979). He can get better, but do you really expect either player to make huge leaps in their games? Maybe add a 3-5ppg and 1-2rpg in a good year, but I don't expect any of their other numbers to fluctuate that much. They both already get plenty of touches/opportunities to do things w/ the ball.
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6/22/2005  7:05 PM
Brand without a doubt is a better player. He is a legit #1 option on offense. He will be great with Marbury and Crawford.
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6/22/2005  8:08 PM
Brand is better than Boozer in every part of Boozer's game. You can start from offense to defense.
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6/22/2005  8:09 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Brand without a doubt is a better player. He is a legit #1 option on offense. He will be great with Marbury and Crawford.
I love it..."will be" not "would" or "could". Make it so number one!
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6/22/2005  9:56 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Brand without a doubt is a better player. He is a legit #1 option on offense. He will be great with Marbury and Crawford.
I love it..."will be" not "would" or "could". Make it so number one!
Lebron WILL look good with Marbury too!
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6/22/2005  10:02 PM
any thoughts about chemistry? Who is a better passer?

Outlet passing to start a break? Who can fill the lanes to break?

Who might project more durable? Brand was projected to not have a good back, and one reason he got lighter (and quicker) as a pro.
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6/22/2005  11:56 PM
Brand is better overall and better per dollar. I can't believe someone actually could think of comparing the two, even on a per dollar basis.

In theory, Bruno Sundov gives more bang for your buck than Brand, since although Brand puts up 20x the stats, he makes 50x the $$$.
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6/23/2005  12:05 AM
This was the first year Brand didn't average at least 10 boards. I think you can spike his rebounding number a bit (though Boozer had a big rebounding year while on the Cavs, so he's godo there too.) The one thing about Brand is that I think he's a significantly better score. He's always around 20 despite playing with some good scorers (even though the clips are a bad team) like Maggette, Richardson before last year, etc.
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6/23/2005  2:32 PM
Posted by Solace:

Brand is better overall and better per dollar. I can't believe someone actually could think of comparing the two, even on a per dollar basis.

In theory, Bruno Sundov gives more bang for your buck than Brand, since although Brand puts up 20x the stats, he makes 50x the $$$.
Solace, don't be an a.sshole okay? The comparison is a fair one to make. It is not about which one is better, it is about how much better one is than the other relative to their salries, age, style of play, etc., and which is a better overall value to our team. If you want to make stupid non-points about Bruno Sundov's production, knock yourself out.

The comparison I made was with 2 good players, not 1 player and a 7 foot towel boy. If you can't see the similarities statistically,and in style of play that would make a comparison like this valid, it would seem that your understanding of Basketball is very low.
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6/23/2005  2:39 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Solace:

Brand is better overall and better per dollar. I can't believe someone actually could think of comparing the two, even on a per dollar basis.

In theory, Bruno Sundov gives more bang for your buck than Brand, since although Brand puts up 20x the stats, he makes 50x the $$$.
Solace, don't be an a.sshole okay? The comparison is a fair one to make. It is not about which one is better, it is about how much better one is than the other relative to their salries, age, style of play, etc., and which is a better overall value to our team. If you want to make stupid non-points about Bruno Sundov's production, knock yourself out.

The comparison I made was with 2 good players, not 1 player and a 7 foot towel boy. If you can't see the similarities statistically,and in style of play that would make a comparison like this valid, it would seem that your understanding of Basketball is very low.
Solace really undervalues Boozer. I've learned that from posting with him over the years. I don't get into arguments with him over Boozer anymore; I just accept that he has a quiet different opinion than I and a lot of other people here do of Boozer.
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6/24/2005  12:33 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Solace:

Brand is better overall and better per dollar. I can't believe someone actually could think of comparing the two, even on a per dollar basis.

In theory, Bruno Sundov gives more bang for your buck than Brand, since although Brand puts up 20x the stats, he makes 50x the $$$.
Solace, don't be an a.sshole okay? The comparison is a fair one to make. It is not about which one is better, it is about how much better one is than the other relative to their salries, age, style of play, etc., and which is a better overall value to our team. If you want to make stupid non-points about Bruno Sundov's production, knock yourself out.

The comparison I made was with 2 good players, not 1 player and a 7 foot towel boy. If you can't see the similarities statistically,and in style of play that would make a comparison like this valid, it would seem that your understanding of Basketball is very low.

The comparison is crap. Let's see... Brand is a stud all-star who excels in all aspects of the game. No one will ever argue that Brand is overpaid. Boozer is an overpaid role player who pads his stats on terrible teams. In fact, he's so overpaid that the Jazz are talking about trading him and taking a worse pick for a lame duck like Tim Thomas just to get rid of his contract. The comparison is ridiculous.

I'll make a comparable comparison:

Mehmet Okur and Tim Duncan

I can't help it your opinions aren't based in reality. Furthermore, the fact that you have Bonn defending you speaks volumes. Although, I do wish they'd make a cartoon about Bonn and his battles against the ways of logic.
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