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djsunyc
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6/15/2005  10:50 PM
we come back to this.

draft your 3 players. KEEP them. and that's it for the summer.

NO TRADES.
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6/16/2005  12:07 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

NO TRADES.
I wouldnt have a problem with that. It would show commitment to developing through the draft and free cap space after this season. This works provided we draft real well.
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Rich
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6/16/2005  12:21 AM
So if, hypothetically, a team offers a top three pick for Marbury, the Knicks shouldn't do it?
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6/16/2005  12:47 AM
Posted by Rich:

So if, hypothetically, a team offers a top three pick for Marbury, the Knicks shouldn't do it?

I'd only do it for #1. Bogut's the only person in this draft I'd trade Marbury for.
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6/16/2005  1:54 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

we come back to this.

draft your 3 players. KEEP them. and that's it for the summer.

NO TRADES.

If we going this route which would be the ideal route we must start by trading Marbury. Getting under the cap after Houston and Taylor expire would be HUGE! Then we can make a run at Lebron, Wade or whatever superstar is available!
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6/16/2005  7:11 AM
Are you insane?????

Posted by Marv:
Posted by Rich:

So if, hypothetically, a team offers a top three pick for Marbury, the Knicks shouldn't do it?

I'd only do it for #1. Bogut's the only person in this draft I'd trade Marbury for.
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6/16/2005  7:19 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Are you insane?????

Posted by Marv:
Posted by Rich:

So if, hypothetically, a team offers a top three pick for Marbury, the Knicks shouldn't do it?

I'd only do it for #1. Bogut's the only person in this draft I'd trade Marbury for.
I would never trade a proven star for a player who isn't projected to be Shaq, TD, KG, Lebron. It just doesn't make sense to me. I guess its also because I don't think Bogut will be a superstar in the league.

I think I've only read one Marbury trade scenario on these boards that I'd do. And its not because I am so high on Marbs (althoug I am high on him) but its because they generally suck and have us trading him for young role players, or picks.

F.uck a commitment to get better through the draft. Get better any way you can. If we can get better through trades, FA signings, or whatever do it. What is this infatuation with the draft? It is one of many tools to get better with, but is by no means the only one.
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6/16/2005  7:26 AM
The Knick roster is unbalanced with PFs there is no way Thomas does not make a trade or two to bring in other players. I frankly can't believe he would add three draft picks to the roster either, I see him packaging at least one pick for other vets or moving up in the draft.
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6/16/2005  7:26 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by diderotn:

Are you insane?????

Posted by Marv:
Posted by Rich:

So if, hypothetically, a team offers a top three pick for Marbury, the Knicks shouldn't do it?

I'd only do it for #1. Bogut's the only person in this draft I'd trade Marbury for.
I would never trade a proven star for a player who isn't projected to be Shaq, TD, KG, Lebron. It just doesn't make sense to me. I guess its also because I don't think Bogut will be a superstar in the league.

I think I've only read one Marbury trade scenario on these boards that I'd do. And its not because I am so high on Marbs (althoug I am high on him) but its because they generally suck and have us trading him for young role players, or picks.

F.uck a commitment to get better through the draft. Get better any way you can. If we can get better through trades, FA signings, or whatever do it. What is this infatuation with the draft? It is one of many tools to get better with, but is by no means the only one.

SO what's the trade scenario you'd do?

Btw my thinking on the BOgut deal is that he is indeed the whole package at the most crucial position. Size, intensity and aggressiveness, offensive skills including shooting, posting, passing, got the defensive end down too. Hell yeah Id trade Marbury for him, put Craw at the point, use my #8 on the most promising forward to put next to Bogut, whether that be Granger, Frye, Blatche, whomever. Use the 30 for a good guard. I'd roll with that.
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6/16/2005  7:27 AM
Kill! I agree, but the draft is also very important...it is like investing in stocks...you have to have young capable players on a roster to replace the old farts later...

F.uck a commitment to get better through the draft. Get better any way you can. If we can get better through trades, FA signings, or whatever do it. What is this infatuation with the draft? It is one of many tools to get better with, but is by no means the only one.
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6/16/2005  7:43 AM
one amendment... use the MLE to resign our own guys. If JB has a strong summer signing him to a 3 year $2.5mm deal (essentially the same scale as pick #30). Lock up Ariza.

Otherwise offer the whole thing to someone like Gadzurich or even Steven Hunter. Start building up the frontcourt.
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6/16/2005  7:57 AM
Why do I feel like JB will go out and earn him a contract from a team for his hard work??? Look, my man Demarr is a very good example on what the Knicks should not do this summer....when you invest in a player, you have to take your chances at letting him develop fully...Demarr flourished playing for Karl, then again, that is what good coaching can do...
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6/16/2005  8:43 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Why do I feel like JB will go out and earn him a contract from a team for his hard work???
If Jackie is spectacular in the summer leagues, I am confident Isiah will lock him before anyone. I am not too sure about how good he will be though.
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6/16/2005  8:46 AM
Let me say it like this,,,,If he and Sweetney are on the court together with Jackson as the PG, look out...I don't know if he is that good of a rebounder, but time will tell....Young Butler needs to hire a body builder to teach him how to build his body...He needs to come into camp ready to contribute physically. Add some muscles and strength.

Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by diderotn:

Why do I feel like JB will go out and earn him a contract from a team for his hard work???
If Jackie is spectacular in the summer leagues, I am confident Isiah will lock him before anyone. I am not too sure about how good he will be though.
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6/16/2005  9:00 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by djsunyc:

NO TRADES.
I wouldnt have a problem with that. It would show commitment to developing through the draft and free cap space after this season. This works provided we draft real well.

I could live with that.....but I would be looking for a salary dump around the trading deadline with Marbs.

Eating Timmy and Penny would be just as good as picking up a superstar in a trade. My signature suggest I would truly love that idea.
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6/16/2005  9:16 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Eating Timmy and Penny would be just as good as picking up a superstar in a trade.
good point. I never thought about it that way. We can actaully be in a really good situation if we sit on Penny and Tim.
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6/16/2005  9:36 AM
If you do that, how are you going to help the team??? First of all, they would definitely not agree to be bench warmers, that is for sure...Maybe TT would agree to come off the bench, but for sure, Penny would be a b*tch about it...It is ok to trade assets that we don't need to upgrade...
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6/16/2005  9:39 AM
Well if you wouldn't move Marbury for a top three pick you are an *******, this team is going nowhere, and i mean no where who are they beating?

Then why on earth do we need to pay him 32 million over the next two years for no results.....

Why not take a paul or a williams, then draft a wright with the 8th pick, and get someone else at 30......

Lose for a year and then get another nice pick and have some cap room to play with in the future while stacking young talent

Paul, Wright, Ariza, Sweetney, Byrnum possibly, and maybe crawford comes around at some point....
djsunyc
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6/16/2005  10:05 AM
Posted by MS:

Well if you wouldn't move Marbury for a top three pick you are an *******, this team is going nowhere, and i mean no where who are they beating?

Then why on earth do we need to pay him 32 million over the next two years for no results.....

Why not take a paul or a williams, then draft a wright with the 8th pick, and get someone else at 30......

Lose for a year and then get another nice pick and have some cap room to play with in the future while stacking young talent

Paul, Wright, Ariza, Sweetney, Byrnum possibly, and maybe crawford comes around at some point....

not sure what the "*" represent but i'm going with genius.

MS - i would trade marbury from #2, if bogut is gone, trade it down to #5 and #13.

but i'm trying to stay within the realm of reality here. marbury is not going to get traded hence i didn't incorporate it into the post process.
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6/16/2005  10:05 AM
Posted by diderotn:

If you do that, how are you going to help the team??? First of all, they would definitely not agree to be bench warmers, that is for sure...Maybe TT would agree to come off the bench, but for sure, Penny would be a b*tch about it...It is ok to trade assets that we don't need to upgrade...

What say do they have in the team for people to care how they feel about not playing? Players keep saying it's a business so there you go.

Don't get me wrong there are a few players out there right now that I would love to pick up with either Timmy or Penny's contract like Boozer or Marion but those are pipe dreams.(unless we can get both, lol).

If the plan was build from within then great. I'm all for that. I would just like to see the plan unfold early in the off-season rather than squirming into the season and then having distractions all year about possibly trading Timmy of Penny.
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