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EnySpree
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6/7/2005  12:06 PM
This is the main problem with the team.

I wish we could erase 3 of them off the roster right now.....but that won't happen. Plus if the Knicks do make some trades they are definately going to have to take some players back.

The options are slim.

Maybe Rose can be traded to Houston for Weatherspoon. They know what Rose means to Texas and he would provide good veteran depth behind Howard when he comes back. They needed a Malik Rose type during these playoffs.

KT could be a good option for Memphis. There is that Gasol article saying he needs help inside. KT could be Gasols body guard. Fratello would love to have him I'm sure. Any trade with Memphis is gonna send back a player....I'd gladly take Posey for KT.

That leaves us Maurice Taylor and Sweets. Now I believe in Taylors ability to score. If it were up to me we would give him the starting position outright and have Sweets come off the bench.

JYD would have to be looked at as a small fwd.

Depth chart after these trades are made?

pf Mo Taylor/Sweets
sf Posey/Ariza/JYD
c Butler
pg Marbs
sg Craw/Houston

Funny shyt is these trades can't be made till after the draft.

Still.....there has to be a blue print of some kind. The Knicks can't just draft Taft or someone big unless they have a spot for them to play. Maybe Taylor and/or Sweets have good seasons and all of a sudden we won't need a big man.

It's has got to be the most frustrating thing we have to deal with this off-season because it effects everything the Knicks will do from the draft to free agency to trades.





[Edited by - enyspree on 06/07/2005 12:11:47]
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EnySpree
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6/7/2005  12:08 PM
With all the stuff I mentioned.....how can we not buyout Timmy and Penny? It makes no sense to trade them and pile on more contracts. The team is screwed as it is.
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MS
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6/7/2005  12:16 PM
Anyone who pencils in butler doesn't have a ****ing glue, the dude is 6'9 and doesn't have hops how is he going to play center
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6/7/2005  12:18 PM
here's where I slightly disagree. I would still take a PF if that player was the BPA. Mo T and JYD have 2 years left. I think KT hasnt been traded because the only offer where equal value was coming back was the Drew Gooden trade, and Cle nixed it.

I think Rose is a great bench player whether he stays or goes and can play anywhere with any group. Same with JYD. Also gone in 2 years is Houston and Shandon (contract only).

I would say Penny gets bought out if no deal can be made. No way he's invited to camp. As for TT he's trading deadline fodder (I hope).
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EnySpree
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6/7/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by MS:

Anyone who pencils in butler doesn't have a ****ing glue, the dude is 6'9 and doesn't have hops how is he going to play center

It was just who I had left after those trades are made.

Any moron with a f'ing Clue knows that the only way the Knicks will get a center is if they draft one or sign one.
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6/7/2005  12:23 PM
make that the 6 headed monster because Jackie is a PF who we need to make room for. Anyone who doubs that Butler is a 6-9 at best PF check that recent team picture again
EnySpree
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6/7/2005  12:30 PM
Posted by fishmike:

here's where I slightly disagree. I would still take a PF if that player was the BPA. Mo T and JYD have 2 years left. I think KT hasnt been traded because the only offer where equal value was coming back was the Drew Gooden trade, and Cle nixed it.

I think Rose is a great bench player whether he stays or goes and can play anywhere with any group. Same with JYD. Also gone in 2 years is Houston and Shandon (contract only).

I would say Penny gets bought out if no deal can be made. No way he's invited to camp. As for TT he's trading deadline fodder (I hope).

I just can't see the Knicks making any extra deals until something is done about these power fwds. Rose I think wouldn't mind not playing because of how professional he is. Still how does the team get better with too many player stacked at one position?

I believe in drafting the best players available too.....but geez man....another power fwd? It would be a crime to have a #8 pick sit on the bench a rot....like Sweetney did before Isiah came over.

Also Timmy and/or Penny would just bring in more players. What if Isiah drafts Granger? Timmy would definately have to go. Why keep him around with Granger and Ariza?

It's just frustrating.
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6/7/2005  12:32 PM
Posted by MS:

Anyone who pencils in butler doesn't have a ****ing glue, the dude is 6'9 and doesn't have hops how is he going to play center

Did you see where he said trade for Weatherspoon. lololol. He said trade Malik Rose for Clarence Weatherspoon.

Someone tell him that they play the SAME POSITION!!!!
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6/7/2005  12:35 PM
I can see why you would take a PF if he was the best player available. We desperately needa frontcourt player for marbury to work with but the thing is..the bpa won't be a big...its going to be a SG or SF. If Bynum isgone we need a SG like Wright or Webster
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6/7/2005  12:41 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by MS:

Anyone who pencils in butler doesn't have a ****ing glue, the dude is 6'9 and doesn't have hops how is he going to play center

Did you see where he said trade for Weatherspoon. lololol. He said trade Malik Rose for Clarence Weatherspoon.

Someone tell him that they play the SAME POSITION!!!!

Someone tell this freakin idiot that Weatherspoon is an expiring contract. I thought that was understood....i guess not.
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6/7/2005  12:46 PM
YOu don't buyout Timmy and Penny until every option has been exhausted. That means after the trade deadline. It just doesnt make sense to do it any other way.

This draft is full of Pg's and Pf's and we may end up with a pf. There are not many C's in this draft and the ones thatare there are projected as late-mid first rounders. If the bpa is a pf or a sg so freaking be it. We can use the expiring contracts to make other moves.
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6/7/2005  12:46 PM
I would love to do something like KT for Posey.
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6/7/2005  1:04 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by MS:

Anyone who pencils in butler doesn't have a ****ing glue, the dude is 6'9 and doesn't have hops how is he going to play center

Did you see where he said trade for Weatherspoon. lololol. He said trade Malik Rose for Clarence Weatherspoon.

Someone tell him that they play the SAME POSITION!!!!

Someone tell this freakin idiot that Weatherspoon is an expiring contract. I thought that was understood....i guess not.

Look clown, don't get mad at me cause MS made you look like the lame you are.

Weatherspoon would still be on the roster this upcoming season. You always make stupid trade proposals. Must be in your blood. You must be part idiot?
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6/7/2005  1:09 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

YOu don't buyout Timmy and Penny until every option has been exhausted. That means after the trade deadline. It just doesnt make sense to do it any other way.

This draft is full of Pg's and Pf's and we may end up with a pf. There are not many C's in this draft and the ones thatare there are projected as late-mid first rounders. If the bpa is a pf or a sg so freaking be it. We can use the expiring contracts to make other moves.

what draft has had many C's who actually crack rotations? This draft actually has some centers that will actually play!
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6/7/2005  1:22 PM
Posted by MS:

Anyone who pencils in butler doesn't have a ****ing glue, the dude is 6'9 and doesn't have hops how is he going to play center
How do you know he doesn't have "hops?"
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6/7/2005  1:30 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:


what draft has had many C's who actually crack rotations? This draft actually has some centers that will actually play!

Exactly and we need to get one.
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6/7/2005  2:00 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

YOu don't buyout Timmy and Penny until every option has been exhausted. That means after the trade deadline. It just doesnt make sense to do it any other way.

tim - no
but i buy out penny right now b/c 1. he's an ahole, 2. it prevents us from making another big $$$ deal, and 3. he's an ahole
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6/7/2005  2:33 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

make that the 6 headed monster because Jackie is a PF who we need to make room for. Anyone who doubs that Butler is a 6-9 at best PF check that recent team picture again

Here is the link to the NBA pre-draft camp measurements for last year.

http://www.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml


Jackie Butler
Ht W/O Shoes - 6'8"
Ht W Shoes - 6'9.5"
Weight - 263
Wingspan - 7'1.5"
Standing Reach - 9'1"

Here is Trevor Ariza's
Ht W/O Shoes - 6'7"
Ht W Shoes - 6'8.25"
Weight - 201
Wingspan - 7'2"
Standing Reach - 8'11.5"

Dang. He isn't that much taller and longer than Trevor. Trevor has the longer wingspan!
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6/7/2005  2:37 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by gunsnewing:

make that the 6 headed monster because Jackie is a PF who we need to make room for. Anyone who doubs that Butler is a 6-9 at best PF check that recent team picture again

Here is the link to the NBA pre-draft camp measurements for last year.

http://www.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml


Jackie Butler
Ht W/O Shoes - 6'8"
Ht W Shoes - 6'9.5"
Weight - 263
Wingspan - 7'1.5"
Standing Reach - 9'1"

Here is Trevor Ariza's
Ht W/O Shoes - 6'7"
Ht W Shoes - 6'8.25"
Weight - 201
Wingspan - 7'2"
Standing Reach - 8'11.5"

Dang. He isn't that much taller and longer than Trevor. Trevor has the longer wingspan!
Wow! Thats how Trevor makes those crazy dunks!!!!
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6/7/2005  2:52 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by gunsnewing:

make that the 6 headed monster because Jackie is a PF who we need to make room for. Anyone who doubs that Butler is a 6-9 at best PF check that recent team picture again

Here is the link to the NBA pre-draft camp measurements for last year.

http://www.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml


Jackie Butler
Ht W/O Shoes - 6'8"
Ht W Shoes - 6'9.5"
Weight - 263
Wingspan - 7'1.5"
Standing Reach - 9'1"

Here is Trevor Ariza's
Ht W/O Shoes - 6'7"
Ht W Shoes - 6'8.25"
Weight - 201
Wingspan - 7'2"
Standing Reach - 8'11.5"

Dang. He isn't that much taller and longer than Trevor. Trevor has the longer wingspan!
Then Butler's a legit 6'9.5" (unless he's grown since then) b/c all players listed heights are with shoes on.
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