Posted by simrud:


I don't understand how you can say IT has done a good or as you put incredible job, please provide an example or two. But I guess its all a matter of outlook, if you are hoping for a miracle such as TT actually averaging 6 brds a game, then sure, anything can happen.

AS for other GM's, a lot of them are really bad, thats why the past few years the contenders have been pretty much the same, and most teams have no real hope due to blatant mismanagement, but IT at least in my opinion is right up there with the worst.

Posted by rvhoss:

the real questions are:

a) who has done a better GM job in the same amount of time
and
b) who is doing a better GM job now
and
c) Who could have done a better GM job than Isiah with the knicks.

In the end, he's done an INCREDIBLE job with the knicks...any other franchise and they'd sign Zeke to an extension.

I think we are all at the point of just waiting to see...our overachieving team got to the playoffs last year, and won some games this year, but to expect a contender is absurb.

Had he really done anything to set the knicks back? Well, if you are a novice GM like the rest of us, you can definitely speculate and hope you are right so you can ram the "I told you so"'s down our throats, but in reality, we are in a much better position than we were in the past, not only do we have a Youthful CORE, but we have a ton of picks and some crafy veterans.

Let's see how ****ty this draft is before we start calling for somebodies head. I saw the post "if Isiah starts slow..." but this year, we started fast and look what we had to show for it..

I think Dolan posted that.

If we start slow we start slow. Shit...Everyone knows we won't be good until after this next trading deadline, so don't start the "Zeke has to go" posts because you will be showing how little you know about basketball and business in general.

The GM has no real say...it's the players that do what they do...so we can only blame the coach and possibly Zeke for hiring the coach, but at this point we are being forced to pay $10 million for a name coach to coach a bunch of misfits, or stick with the cheap coach to coach a bunch of misfits and rookies.

My optimism is that of a fan of the game and the team...anything can happen and no matter how zeke starts, I'm with him this year until we are eliminated...and that's because I'm a dumb fan. =)

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by rvhoss:

the real questions are:

a) who has done a better GM job in the same amount of time
and
b) who is doing a better GM job now
and
c) Who could have done a better GM job than Isiah with the knicks.

a) who in the NBA has done a worse job in the NBA than Isiah Thomas so far?
b) who is Isiah doing a better job than in the NBA?
c) How could you have made our situation worse than what Isiah has done?

a and b are kind of hard to answer because each GM inherits a different situation. Layden obviously did worse but that isn't saying much.
c is very easy to answer. A worse situation would be not having some young talented players (Ariza, Crawford, Sweetney), not having a fairly young star PG to build with, and not having the 4 1st rd picks over the next 2 years. It would be worse to have a GM who looked primarily to add guys past their primes rather than a GM who uses the big trade assets each year to get players in (Marbury) or not yet in (Crawford) their primes, while only using much smaller assets to add complimentary veterans. Has Isiah made his share of mistakes? If you've paid any attention to my posts, you obviously realize there were many small things I would have done differently.

Posted by djsunyc:

ahh bonn, the half full kinda guy.

too bad this isn't a half full kinda team b/c we can't even come close to .500.

would you say that if this team doesn't hit 41 wins next year, isiah's reign would have to be classified as a disaster?